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09/22/2007 07:55:18 PM · #1
K everyone I need some help! Maybe just some reassurance...
I am diving into photography more seriously and I am considering buying the Canon 40 D...
OR I could save some money and go with the Rebel XTI.. I want to take this past a hobby and I plan to be shooting more fashion/modeling/ad photography... What do you all think? 40 D or the Rebel XTI? OR another Canon body? I do want to stay with Canon folks, sorry Nikon :)
My current lenses:
Kit Canon EFS18-55 mm 3.5-5.6 II (yeah yeah...came with the XT...lol)
Canon EF 50 mm 1.8 One of my favorite cheap lenses ever
Canon EF 85 mm 1.8
Canon EF 75-300mm 4-5.6 (barely use that thing)

I also want to get another lense, a good investment that will be great with the above areas I want to specialize in. So if you have suggestios or ideas on a lense that would suit do tell...
09/22/2007 08:26:27 PM · #2
Budget?
09/22/2007 08:34:53 PM · #3
sorry...budget for the body... lets just say if I was to go with the 5d it would need to make a WORLD of a difference...and to be honest I don't think I am ready for the 5d yet... I guess that narrows it done to 40d and XTI...

budget for the lense....ideally under 1000.00 not over 1300.00...the better bang for the buck the happier I would be...
09/22/2007 08:50:09 PM · #4
Pinch the pennies, I have owned the 350D and the 400D, XTi, and I want the 5d now. I looked at your portfolio don’t sell yourself short.
09/22/2007 08:52:46 PM · #5
could always buy a used 20d body and move up from there---their pretty cheep now with every one upgrading
09/22/2007 08:55:02 PM · #6
thanks so far, I will add that I want to go new not used however :)
09/22/2007 08:55:37 PM · #7
I'd say stick with the 350D for now and save for that 5D. I'm doing the same thing although that 40D is very tempting. As far as a lens goes, I'd reccommend two lenses for that $1000-$1300 budget:

1.) Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 SP - $350ish: This is a fantastic lens that is very sharp, cheap, and f/2.8 throughout the zoom range.

2.) Canon 70-200mm f/4L - $600ish: Great for portraits, very sharp, and the bang for the buck is unmatched.
09/22/2007 09:12:08 PM · #8
Originally posted by SamDoe1:

1.) Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 SP - $350ish: This is a fantastic lens that is very sharp, cheap, and f/2.8 throughout the zoom range.

2.) Canon 70-200mm f/4L - $600ish: Great for portraits, very sharp, and the bang for the buck is unmatched.


I'll second those lenses. As for the camera, the XTI is quite capable, and I'd push for better lenses rather than extra features you may not need yet. If you save money on the body, you'll have a headstart on saving up for the 5D's replacement. ;-)
09/22/2007 09:26:50 PM · #9
My main reason so for for going against the XTI is the similarities with the XT I already have... and the 40 d having more advanced features- the thing is I can't learn to use the advanced features on the camera if the camera does not have them. Thanks for the help with the lenses also guys!
09/22/2007 09:28:49 PM · #10
Originally posted by Sunshine86:

My main reason so for for going against the XTI is the similarities with the XT I already have... and the 40 d having more advanced features- the thing is I can't learn to use the advanced features on the camera if the camera does not have them. Thanks for the help with the lenses also guys!


What features were you looking for in the 40D that the 350D doesn't have?

Message edited by author 2007-09-22 21:29:23.
09/22/2007 09:35:53 PM · #11
Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Originally posted by Sunshine86:

My main reason so for for going against the XTI is the similarities with the XT I already have... and the 40 d having more advanced features- the thing is I can't learn to use the advanced features on the camera if the camera does not have them. Thanks for the help with the lenses also guys!


What features were you looking for in the 40D that the 350D doesn't have?


larger LCD, SRAW, 3 Custom shooting modes, LiveView, Sturdier body

Message edited by author 2007-09-22 21:36:19.
09/22/2007 09:36:20 PM · #12
I just have to say the the 40D is sooo much better than the 350D. The focusing is super fast and super accurate. I am getting better performance out of my lenses with the 40D than I ever could get out of the 350D. I am amazed at the quality of my lenses because of the superior performance of the 40D.

I don't ever think that I will see the need to upgrade to the 5D. What would I gain other than FF?

The 40D is well worth every penny.

When I bought the 350D I kinda knew I'd upgrade after a while...with the 40D, where is there for me to go? Really, I don't care about FF.

ETA: The larger LCD rocks my socks! And, truly, the focusing capabilities are far superior to the 350D...I am getting shots I NEVER could get with the 350D. The 40D is just so much faster.


Message edited by author 2007-09-22 21:37:56.
09/22/2007 09:38:46 PM · #13
Originally posted by Sunshine86:

I want to take this past a hobby and I plan to be shooting more fashion/modeling/ad photography...


None of those require a sports camera, all require high resolution noise free images. You could sell your rebel and that 70-300 and use the money a 40D would cost to buy a 5D. With the 5D and your two primes, you could immediately start shooting what you want to shoot.
09/22/2007 09:48:01 PM · #14
Originally posted by routerguy666:

None of those require a sports camera, all require high resolution noise free images. You could sell your rebel and that 70-300 and use the money a 40D would cost to buy a 5D. With the 5D and your two primes, you could immediately start shooting what you want to shoot.


I'll second that.

Large LCD screen? Great to have, but is it really worth the $1200 expense of a new body for a bigger screen?

SRAW? Pointless IMO. Why would you want a small RAW image that's 2.5mp? Kind of defeats the purpose of that 10mp sensor.

Live View? Results will vary but for portraiture it's not going to give you much of a benefit at all.

Sturdy body? My rebel has taken more than it's fair share of hits without a problem. Unless you beat the crap out of your camera, it won't matter much. Add a battery grip if you feel the rebel is too small.
09/22/2007 10:01:23 PM · #15
thanks for your opinion sameer.
some others have input they would like to add?
I would love to sell my XT and the 75-300 but honestly that will not get me the 1000.00 price difference for the 5d, I can't even see someone wanting to buy my XT period-it is outdated with many compariable options to purchase.
I have heard that the 5 d is kinda slow also? Just heard from reviews not from friends...
09/22/2007 10:02:56 PM · #16
HEY, WHAT ABOUT MY OPINION? ;-)

J/K
09/22/2007 10:08:48 PM · #17
Originally posted by slickchik:

HEY, WHAT ABOUT MY OPINION? ;-)

J/K


I like yours the most! ;) ;)

Message edited by author 2007-09-22 22:09:09.
09/22/2007 10:17:38 PM · #18
Originally posted by Sunshine86:

My main reason so for for going against the XTI is the similarities with the XT I already have... and the 40 d having more advanced features- the thing is I can't learn to use the advanced features on the camera if the camera does not have them. Thanks for the help with the lenses also guys!


Have you looked into hacking the software? My 300d has many hidden features that the russian hack revealed ( Mirror lock up, 1600 iso, ect.) and while folks talk about wanting a more robust build, I have heard few people having issues with the rebel line. Mine is well over 125,000 activations with no problems yet.

If the money is tight, the 20d is still on the market new, and at a pretty good discount. The 5d many be slow to some reviewers, but it isn't supposed to be a sports/wildlife body, and since you don't much use your long lens, I would bet you mostly shoot the stuff the 5d excells at. I like the speed of the 40d but I shoot long as a rule, so Im saving my pennies for that.

Last thing, the Tamron 28-75 2.8 XR-Di is an amazing lens. I got the Bigma instead of the canon 75-200 but someday I hope to pick that up too, and then my bag will be so full i wont be able to pick that up.
09/22/2007 10:19:12 PM · #19
What about a 30D? I know it is the older model and doesn't have the live view but it is still a good step up from the XT. I just upgraded to the 30D mostly because of some added features like the 5 fps. The difference in noise between the 30D and the 350D is incredible IMO.

Just a thought.
09/22/2007 10:29:00 PM · #20
Thanks everyone for your helpful feedback on body suggestions as well as lense suggestions...

Earlier today I scheduled to rent the 40 D for a few days, I am going to talk to them more about the 5d now too.
09/22/2007 10:42:13 PM · #21
Originally posted by Sunshine86:

...Earlier today I scheduled to rent the 40 D for a few days, I am going to talk to them more about the 5d now too.


Good move. You may also want to ask yourself whether ot not you need a camera with a true spot meter...
09/23/2007 02:40:26 AM · #22
Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Large LCD screen? Great to have, but is it really worth the $1200 expense of a new body for a bigger screen?

SRAW? Pointless IMO. Why would you want a small RAW image that's 2.5mp? Kind of defeats the purpose of that 10mp sensor.

Live View? Results will vary but for portraiture it's not going to give you much of a benefit at all.

Sturdy body? My rebel has taken more than it's fair share of hits without a problem. Unless you beat the crap out of your camera, it won't matter much. Add a battery grip if you feel the rebel is too small.

What about the Digic III processor? How about the 6.5 fps (it's not just for sports/action shots)? Could you use 3200 ISO (in some scenarios, you probably wished you had it)? What about the 1/8000 shutter speed? Maybe you could use the weather-resistant seals around the battery and CF card doors?

09/23/2007 11:23:52 AM · #23
Originally posted by AperturePriority:

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Large LCD screen? Great to have, but is it really worth the $1200 expense of a new body for a bigger screen?

SRAW? Pointless IMO. Why would you want a small RAW image that's 2.5mp? Kind of defeats the purpose of that 10mp sensor.

Live View? Results will vary but for portraiture it's not going to give you much of a benefit at all.

Sturdy body? My rebel has taken more than it's fair share of hits without a problem. Unless you beat the crap out of your camera, it won't matter much. Add a battery grip if you feel the rebel is too small.

What about the Digic III processor? How about the 6.5 fps (it's not just for sports/action shots)? Could you use 3200 ISO (in some scenarios, you probably wished you had it)? What about the 1/8000 shutter speed? Maybe you could use the weather-resistant seals around the battery and CF card doors?


All nice features, not one outsideof the digic3 relevant to what OP said shewants to shoot (though that claim seems to wander here and there as the thread goes on).
09/23/2007 11:31:14 AM · #24
Originally posted by AperturePriority:

Originally posted by SamDoe1:

Large LCD screen? Great to have, but is it really worth the $1200 expense of a new body for a bigger screen?

SRAW? Pointless IMO. Why would you want a small RAW image that's 2.5mp? Kind of defeats the purpose of that 10mp sensor.

Live View? Results will vary but for portraiture it's not going to give you much of a benefit at all.

Sturdy body? My rebel has taken more than it's fair share of hits without a problem. Unless you beat the crap out of your camera, it won't matter much. Add a battery grip if you feel the rebel is too small.

What about the Digic III processor? How about the 6.5 fps (it's not just for sports/action shots)? Could you use 3200 ISO (in some scenarios, you probably wished you had it)? What about the 1/8000 shutter speed? Maybe you could use the weather-resistant seals around the battery and CF card doors?


... or the fact that you get a warning when you open the CF door. It doesn't just shut down. Mind you, if you've never lost images by opening the door too early then this is probably not a big deal.
09/23/2007 12:02:03 PM · #25
Looking at the OP's challenge entries and portfolio (some nice pictures by the way) and his stated aim
'I plan to be shooting more fashion/modeling/ad photography... '


I would have thought the 5D would be ideal if he can stretch to it.

Maybe he could look for a refurb to help with the costs ?
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