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02/08/2004 02:53:16 PM · #1 |
| I know there are a lot of 300D users out there. I am looking to move from a G£ to EOS300D (budget and my wife agreeing). I have read many reviews on the web but some comments from users would be useful too. |
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02/08/2004 03:00:04 PM · #2 |
its a nice camera - try running a forum search for 'canon rebel 300d'
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02/08/2004 03:29:16 PM · #3 |
And check out what Canon is announcing tomorrow.
* Powershot Pro1: 2/3" 8mp, with 28-200 L lens (seriously) and swivel LCD.
* Powershot S1: 3mp 10x (38-300) zoom IS lens, swivel LCD
Both these cameras were already in a German magazine this weekend.
The latest rumour is a 10D MkII with a DigicII processor, new AF system (45 point) and a EOS-3 like polycarbonate body.
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02/08/2004 03:38:38 PM · #4 |
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02/08/2004 05:29:43 PM · #5 |
Where did you hear the rumors about the 10D mkII?
I've recently sold my F717 and am waiting to see if the 10D will be replaced at PMA this week. If not, I'm ordering a 10D.
And I don't know why they would switch over to a plastic body. I might be shallow, but the magnesium alloy is IMO absolutely necessary to justify the $600 premium over the 300D.
edit: There is a discussion over at www.dpreview.com/forums, and there's a guy who says he'll post pics tonight. Tomorrow is supposedly Canon's Big Announcement Day for PMA, so we'll have these rumors confirmed soon enough. I have a feeling we'll see a pricedrop for both 300D and the new 10D if it has a plastic body.
Message edited by author 2004-02-08 17:54:26.
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02/08/2004 06:29:52 PM · #6 |
There is plastic and plastic. It can come in all kinds of qualities, thickness and so on. I don't think that if the 10D MkII exists and if it uses a polycarbonate body, that it will be the same grade as that of the EOS 300D.
I'm in the same situation as you: It will either be the current 10D or its replacement with the deciding factor what happens at PMA. :)
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02/08/2004 08:57:54 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by HelgiPalli:
Where did you hear the rumors about the 10D mkII?
I've recently sold my F717 and am waiting to see if the 10D will be replaced at PMA this week. If not, I'm ordering a 10D.
And I don't know why they would switch over to a plastic body. I might be shallow, but the magnesium alloy is IMO absolutely necessary to justify the $600 premium over the 300D.
edit: There is a discussion over at www.dpreview.com/forums, and there's a guy who says he'll post pics tonight. Tomorrow is supposedly Canon's Big Announcement Day for PMA, so we'll have these rumors confirmed soon enough. I have a feeling we'll see a pricedrop for both 300D and the new 10D if it has a plastic body. |
The 10D Mark II is out now, I used the D60 yesterday, and although they don't make them anymore, the price is signifigantly lower if you can find one and all I can say is WOW, I've never used anything like it before.
Message edited by author 2004-02-08 20:59:47.
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02/08/2004 09:27:14 PM · #8 |
Check this out. A 300D for $1450 CAN. THat's the cheapest I've seen it so far. //www.ginnphoto.on.ca/ginnphoto/digital-cameras-canon.html
Anyone seen it for cheaper anywhere in Canada?
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02/08/2004 09:37:32 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
And check out what Canon is announcing tomorrow.
* Powershot Pro1: 2/3" 8mp, with 28-200 L lens (seriously) and swivel LCD.
* Powershot S1: 3mp 10x (38-300) zoom IS lens, swivel LCD
Both these cameras were already in a German magazine this weekend.
The latest rumour is a 10D MkII with a DigicII processor, new AF system (45 point) and a EOS-3 like polycarbonate body. |
Strange how I can't seem to GOOGLE anything up. Is this all still rumour or what? I'm fairly curious.
About the actual question, the 300D is a great camera. Images are sharp and not noisy. My bro has it and I only got the 10D because I found some of the limitations of the 300D to be possible limiting factors in the future. Since I had a E10, I wanted to take a bigger step forward to better future-proof my purchase. But otherwise, I would definitely have gotten a 300D. Then you can start investing in lenses and move on from there. The included 18-55mm lense is a great deal, only problem I had with it was that it wasn't internally focusing, so you can't use a polarizer. Otherwise, 100 dollars for a 18mm is a kick ass deal. |
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02/08/2004 10:56:21 PM · #10 |
| Are you all talking about the new 1D Mark II Canon? The 8.2 Mega pixel? It shoots at 8 frames per sec, with a 40 shot burst in JPEG, or 20 shot burst in RAW. Awesome camera, but the suggested retail of $4500 is a little out of my reach at this point. From what I remember about it, it has the Magnesium body like the 10D, not the plastic like the 300D. If you go to www.canoneos.com you will be able to check it out! |
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02/08/2004 11:26:27 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by khkai:
The included 18-55mm lense is a great deal, only problem I had with it was that it wasn't internally focusing, so you can't use a polarizer. Otherwise, 100 dollars for a 18mm is a kick ass deal. |
Sure, you can use a polarizer with the Digital Rebel but you have to adjust it after you have focussed which can be a little inconvenient. Just something to live with for the price.
T
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02/08/2004 11:38:24 PM · #12 |
try this link for the new canon eos 1d mark II //www.canonusa.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20040129_eos1d.html
Its only $ 4,499 . Just out of reach for most of us {at least for me} at this point.
I do believe that my rebel will be lasting me quit a wile before ill be really considering an upgrade of this magnitude. I propably would have worn it down by the time i can save enough for one of these babies.
Message edited by author 2004-02-08 23:48:16. |
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02/08/2004 11:46:42 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by timj351:
Originally posted by khkai:
The included 18-55mm lense is a great deal, only problem I had with it was that it wasn't internally focusing, so you can't use a polarizer. Otherwise, 100 dollars for a 18mm is a kick ass deal. |
Sure, you can use a polarizer with the Digital Rebel but you have to adjust it after you have focussed which can be a little inconvenient. Just something to live with for the price.
T |
Yeah that's what I meant.Thanks for clearing it up. It's really pretty annoying, but not impossible to deal with. I already feel like it's bothersome to readjust my polarizer after turning my camera sideways, so the twisting head would just kill me.
But I found that the 300D processes photos a bit slower than you may like. My friend has a Nikon D100 (ofcourse it's better and more expensive), but you can really notice the difference in read speed when previewing your photos.
Again, one of those little annoyances or trade-offs for the savings. All depends if you can live with them. The key here is that it's a Canon SLR (lense support now and in the future), basically the same CCD as the 10D, and has all the major functions that almost anyone would ever need. Unless you're super pro, it won't bother you much I'd say.
Message edited by author 2004-02-08 23:48:45. |
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02/08/2004 11:54:00 PM · #14 |
Really, these slow processing speeds would run circles around my little point and shoot. :)
I fully intend to buy a 300D in the future as soon as finances permit. I don't forsee myself doing this professionally by any means, this will always be a life-long hobby.
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02/09/2004 01:33:30 AM · #15 |
The 10D MkII rumor appears to be complete bs.
The guy just posted a pic of a very old piece of s*t.
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02/09/2004 02:37:52 AM · #16 |
It is the Canon EOS 1D Mark II and it is very real. Check it out. Here //web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos1dm2/index.html
The Canon Pro 1 is also real and will be released soon. Here //zetterstrand.com/canona80/canon_powershot_pro_1.htm
T
Message edited by author 2004-02-09 02:39:52.
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02/09/2004 03:05:04 AM · #17 |
The 1D MkII is very real indeed.
There were just some rumors about a same upgrade for the 10D.
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02/09/2004 03:28:51 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
And check out what Canon is announcing tomorrow.
* Powershot Pro1: 2/3" 8mp, with 28-200 L lens (seriously) and swivel LCD.
* Powershot S1: 3mp 10x (38-300) zoom IS lens, swivel LCD |
Wow! that S1 sounds like an updated version of my Pro 90, hehehe.
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02/09/2004 09:04:01 AM · #19 |
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02/09/2004 09:35:16 AM · #20 |
| Wow amazing! I guess Canon is keeping their word about cranking out a ton of different digicams. |
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02/09/2004 11:12:58 AM · #21 |
| I'm just learning the limitations of the 300Dwhen it comes to studio work. It doesn't have the input capability of a pro cam but I can't complain in a serious fashion since it's a fraction of the cost of a high end like the 10D, D60 or 1D. If you're going to be doing serious work and some involving a studio, then the 10D or higher is your bet if you can afford it. |
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02/09/2004 03:09:35 PM · #22 |
| This is my next Thing 120-300 mm F 2.8 with 2X extender :-) |
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02/11/2004 03:13:53 PM · #23 |
Regarding the post on upgrading from a Canon PowerShot G-series to a Digital Rebel... a word of caution. I bought a Digital Rebel to replace my PowerShot G2, but I've been disappointed. Don't get me wrong- the Rebel is a great camera, but there have been some drawbacks that I didn't expect.
First, the good:
For shot-to-shot speed, focus lock and shutter lag, the Rebel is a rocket. The speed is obvious the instant you start using it. Even without the high-speed mode, you can pretty much just press the shutter release at any time and capture a shot instantly. After using the Rebel for a while, the G2 seems painfully slow.
There is NO noise. I don't typically shoot in RAW mode on the either camera, but the Rebel registers basically zero noise even at higher ISO settings (ISO 400 on the Rebel is a bit cleaner than ISO 50 on the G2).
Now, the bad:
Flash photography! The Rebel calculates flash exposures in a different manner than even low-end PowerShots, and the results are a serious step backwards. Whether using the built-in flash or a Canon Speedlite 420ex, the Rebel consistently captures low-light photos with a very dark background. I've tried the exposure lock and all sorts of manual settings, but they're cumbersome compared to simply shooting on Auto with the G2, and the white balance can be tricky even with bracketing. Workarounds include using an expensive Speedlite 550 flash, or possibly a firmware hack for PC-users, but if you're used to easy indoor shots with a PowerShot, you are going to be disappointed.
Reviewing photos in the camera is a surprisingly slow task (even with a fast flash card), and I don't think it's the larger file size alone. On the other hand, pressing the shutter button instantly switches back to record mode, so you won't miss a shot.
Consider what else you obviously lose by 'upgrading' to the Rebel:
The portability and single-hand use of a PowerShot. The Rebel is small by SLR standards, but you certainly aren't going to carry it on your belt or a big coat pocket.
SLR cameras don't allow previewing on the LCD screen, so you can't compose a shot while holding the camera over your head or off to the side, etc. The Powershot's swiveling LCD is a great feature.
The G3/G5 cameras have an equivalent zoom range of 35-140mm, while the lens included with the Rebel kit is only 29-88mm. That's a slight edge on the wide-angle side, but you'll need another Canon lens to match the telephoto range.
The speed, resolution and clarity of the Rebel are great, but I'm returning/selling mine and either waiting for the Powershot Pro1 (or maybe the Nikon D70 SLR). |
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02/11/2004 03:24:11 PM · #24 |
Scalvert--thanks for you analysis. I have been eyeing the Rebel, but held off in part because of the size issue and the lack of a swiveling LCD. Someone posted a link yesterday about a newer Canon Pro1 which might be a better buy (indeed, I just want better zoom range, I don't need interchangeable lenses). Also, it's 8 MP rather than "just" 6. Hopefully, the noise is as clean as you say the Rebel is. That's my other disappointment with the G2. ISO 400 is AWFUL.
See
Pro1 Thread |
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02/11/2004 03:48:56 PM · #25 |
Shannon - The 300D needs a lot of getting used to and a lot of trial and error. I found it quite demanding to start with and had several issues which caused me some concern. However by perservering you will get some excellent results. This is not a camera to be taken lightly and you cannot compare it with a point and shoot because there is no comparison. I dont know how much experience you have with using 35mm SLR's, if any.
This comment is not targeted at you but I find a lot of people who have never used anything other than a point and shoot be it 35mm film or digital seem to think that if they buy a upmarket digital SLR they can just pop in the card go out and get perfect pictures straight away, well in the majority of cases it just aint going to happen.
I dont know how long you have had your 300D but dont be too quick to give up on it.
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