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03/13/2008 08:28:30 AM · #1
Over a year ago we heard that DPL 2 would be coming to our town after some research was done to try and fix some of the broken links that create this competitive event.

I was just wondering how the research is going.

Is the research just between SC, Admin and selected members or do you think a serious (SC monitored) thread should be started to help gather information for what is needed to put this thing into play?

What is really taking so long in the research?

Is there anything I can do to help?

What part of the DPL 2 theory's are you stumped on?
03/13/2008 08:37:46 AM · #2
It has been asked before in this thread but I must admit I'm disappointed at the poor communication we have received on the DPL2.
03/13/2008 08:40:44 AM · #3
This is directed more towards SC and the Admin. Same subject but I'm looking for a different outcome.
03/13/2008 08:45:11 AM · #4
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

This is directed more towards SC and the Admin. Same subject but I'm looking for a different outcome.

Ummm...if this is directed at SC and the Admin, then why the forum thread, why not just submit a ticket using the Help/Contact area?
03/13/2008 09:15:04 AM · #5
Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

This is directed more towards SC and the Admin. Same subject but I'm looking for a different outcome.

Ummm...if this is directed at SC and the Admin, then why the forum thread, why not just submit a ticket using the Help/Contact area?


Well because there are other people that can help too. I said it was directed more towards SC not only SC.

there are about 30 other threads that contain questions about the DPL2 but I am looking for feedback from SC and maybe other members that say more then "we are looking into it". I'm looking for a suggestion thread I guess thinking that maybe some of us here can talk with SC and Admin and put a plan in action. The other treads are "we want a dpl" or "Come on already" type messages, this isn't.

This is a virtual meeting to try and get the ball rolling on something. Maybe even a date.

03/13/2008 09:33:35 AM · #6
Okie-dokie. :-)
03/13/2008 09:40:02 AM · #7
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Over a year ago we heard that DPL 2 would be coming to our town after some research was done to try and fix some of the broken links that create this competitive event.


Hasn't been over a year....8 months maybe...how about almost a year ago. k?
03/13/2008 09:54:16 AM · #8
I think there was some concern over collusion between team members on challenges and some question if there would be a DPL2 at all.

I'd like to see the powers that be get this sorted so DPL2 can start.
03/13/2008 10:12:19 AM · #9
Okay here are some quotes from SC members that I have searched and found. I want to make is clear before you read them that I am not calling out, talking down, personally attacking, or anything in that manner at all. I'm just gathering data and facts for everyone that is seriously interested in playing the next round.

If the start date is a hard one to agree on, Lets start on July 1st 2008. That gives time for everything to end and people to get teams situated and everything set up.

This is from thread 654811

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=654811

08/09/2007 05:51:40 PM
Originally posted by karmat:

AFAIK, no start date has been established, yet.


09/05/2007 05:37:09 PM
Originally posted by langdon:

We're currently going over feedback from the recent survey and discussing the effectiveness of season 1 and how we can resolve the issues with it for season 2. Currently there's no ETA on season 2. =/
What Issue's?

10/01/2007 11:30:49 PM
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by krafty1:

How about an update for the huddled masses yearning to compete free?

My opinion is that it's being held up because some recent issues have required us to look at some possible modifications or clarifications to the rules -- it wouldn't be a good idea to do that mid-season.
Again what issues?

10/19/2007 01:46:01 PM
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by krafty1:

How about releasing information on the DPL on a weekly basis. Any information would be nice. Even a "We're still discussing the rules more to come next week. We haven't forgotten you...really." would be nice.


As far as I know, there's been no active SC discussion of a start date (or DPL in general) since around the end of August. There... now you're up to date. :-/
Way to keep us informed. :)

10/25/2007 10:39:38 AM
Originally posted by karmat:

There are a couple of things we are trying to iron out before we do dpl. The start date has not been discussed.

Results of the survey? I don't know.
Can we (DPC members) Help with anything?

11/12/2007 10:06:15 AM
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by Hauxon:

Maybe the DPL should be taken back out the hands of DPC??

This delay is a shame and quite embarassing for the site. What's the problem??


thank you. :(

The "problem" is that we are trying to fix quite a few other things so that dpl will run smoother. Also, we are trying to fix several of the "problems" that arose by making dpl so much bigger than wpl. When we get those fixed, we will announce the starting date.
Again, What things???

11/12/2007 09:06:50 PM
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Hauxon:

Well what's the unsolvable problem? Like Yanko said WPL was quite simple, what parts are making the complications?

Best, Hrannar

Mainly, we are considering some revisions to the rules, the need for which became apparent during the running of DPL1.

It would be kind of stupid to run a season-based competition and change the rules part-way through. These are not simple "problems" to solve, but until they are solved, it seems pointless to start up a new season.

Which rules need editing? Can we see the current tule that needs editing? Maybe we can help or even give suggestions as to what the majority would like to do.

11/12/2007 09:48:10 PM
Originally posted by karmat:

Originally posted by levyj413:


Note, though, that I also agree with what glad2badad just posted about the SC keeping us more up to date with what's going on. I do think more communication would be better.



You all know exactly what we know.

We do not know the start date.

We do not know an approximate start date.

It has not been discussed, yet.


All of these answers have been given several times over the past several weeks. When something changes, you will know.

We are reviewing/revising the rules (not just dpl rules, all the rules), etc to so that it (the site and dpl) runs smoother and addresses some of the grievances several had about the first dpl.

My unofficial opinion is if you want an unofficial "league" play, set one up like scott did in the beginning. I'm sure he can advise you of the pitfalls so you can avoid them.


>We don't know what rules or issues need to be worked out.
>If the problem is a start date, then just set one. It's lkinda of like a completion date or a deadline. Lets just pick a date and work towards having everything ready to go before that deadline date.

> The only thing we know is that there is no start date and you guys are working out rules/issues.

11/13/2007 10:12:24 AM
Originally posted by karmat:

Just to be crystal clear -- there will be a dpl season 2. We just don't know when right now.

The date has not been discussed. Other things relevant and relative to a new season has, and is.

Originally posted by Hauxon:

To me it looks like the idea is to put DPL to sleep. Months have passed and they haven't even discussed approximate start date. Maybe the plan is to say "we're working on it" until everyone forgets about it. The reason for me being harsh is just to pull some answers out of people. I don't like being lied to. If the idea is to end the WPL/DPL thing the most honest thing is to tell the truth.


You are the one to have speculated that dpl is dead. Why is it us that is being dishonest? I've told you what I know, scalvert and others have told you what they know. How is that dishonest?


11/13/2007 08:20:42 PM
Originally posted by karmat:

Hrannar,

An announcement just for you: There will be a dpl sometime in the future, but we don't know when. We have not discussed the starting date. We have discussed the future of dpl. There is one. There WILL be a dpl2.

The delay has been explained. The start date has not been decided. There will be a dpl. We are trying to complete a couple of other things first so that we don't have to make major adjustments in the middle of a season, AND we are trying to address the issues that arose from the transition from wpl to dpl. We want to keep dpc a fair and fun place for everyone (or as many as is humanly possible).

Please, please, please, hear me. We are not "slaying" dpl. Therefore, we cannot announce that we are. To say that we were would be dishonest. I'm shaving as much fuzz off this answer as I can. There will be a "next" season, we just don't don't the exact date, so we can't tell you the when.

The plan is:

a. Finalize the rules review.
b. Iron out the wrinkles from dpl1.
c. Make an announcement and let the sign ups begin.

I, formally, am withdrawing from this endless "discussion." If you want to continue believing that we are propagating some great hoax, and we are sitting in some glass room having fun at your anticipation and expense, then I honestly don't think there is any thing else I can say to convince you otherwise. There will be a dpl. You know everything I know now. When we (the SC) know more, we will let you know.

Until we make an announcement, you can safely assume that we are discussing/addressing/arguing about the things that have been mentioned.


a) Can we help? Exactly which rules are you having trouble on?
b) Exactly which wrinkles need ironing?
c) Can't wait!

In understand you not wanting to continue with this endless discussion but it seems to me like SC just keeps putting it off. Not saying it¡¦s your fault in general but what can we do to help get the ball rolling?

Message edited by author 2008-03-13 10:14:58.
03/13/2008 10:47:00 AM · #10
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03/13/2008 11:01:12 AM · #11
That reminds me of the old guy driving down the road with his right turn signal on. Eventually, he is going to turn right, he's just been telling everyone about it for the past 10 miles.

Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:

Okay here are some quotes from SC members that I have searched and found. I want to make is clear before you read them that I am not calling out, talking down, personally attacking, or anything in that manner at all. I'm just gathering data and facts for everyone that is seriously interested in playing the next round.

...

In understand you not wanting to continue with this endless discussion but it seems to me like SC just keeps putting it off. Not saying it¡¦s your fault in general but what can we do to help get the ball rolling?
03/13/2008 05:43:08 PM · #12
You know it's funny that no SC said anything here. Would anyone like to say something?
03/13/2008 05:46:58 PM · #13
Ok, I'll speak up. We were hoping to roll this out with changes to DPC generally, but of course, those are taking longer than expected (obviously!) so now we have to revise what we CAN accomplish as far as DPL and what changes we can accomodate and how to get that on track.

SC want DPL started as much as you do, but we don't own this site, and we don't control the interface that gets DPL going again. We haven't forgotten, I promise!
03/13/2008 06:17:04 PM · #14
Well is there anything we can do to help?
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