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11/27/2008 02:18:26 AM · #1 |
| For the confused, please click here to read a short article on the red/blue pill question. so which would you have chosen if it is real? but why that choice? |
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11/27/2008 02:37:01 AM · #2 |
I've always been a red pill guy, all my life. I'll be happy to discuss it IF this thread grows legs, but I'm more curious right now to sit back and see where the thread goes in its formative hours :-) I have my doubts that it's concrete enough, conceptually, to be sustainable in this particular environment.
For what its worth, I strongly urge those who pass through casually to actually READ the linked essay (It's not all that long) and actually think about what it's discussing.
R.
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11/27/2008 02:55:53 AM · #3 |
The red pill, without hesitation.
That essay is a good read. |
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11/27/2008 03:06:45 AM · #4 |
Definitely the red pill. The truth only hurts when you've lived in ignorance for too long.
Message edited by author 2008-11-27 03:08:05. |
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11/27/2008 03:18:28 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
For what its worth, I strongly urge those who pass through casually to actually READ the linked essay (It's not all that long) and actually think about what it's discussing.
R. |
I read it and agreed with everything up until the conclusion. Taking the blue pill would be akin to suspending your search for the truth at least until you decide to take the red pill at a later time.
Message edited by author 2008-11-27 03:20:22. |
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11/27/2008 03:36:56 AM · #6 |
In my youth, I would have equated all believers in God with taking the blue pill and I always sought the red pill and when I actually took it, I became a believer and the irony is that so many are misled into thinking it is believers that are taking the blue pill.
That's my experience/belief/opinion. :) |
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11/27/2008 03:50:07 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
In my youth, I would have equated all believers in God with taking the blue pill and I always sought the red pill and when I actually took it, I became a believer and the irony is that so many are misled into thinking it is believers that are taking the blue pill.
That's my experience/belief/opinion. :) |
No, you're taking the blue pill thinking it's the red pill.
Message edited by author 2008-11-27 03:53:00. |
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11/27/2008 03:53:16 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by yanko:
No, you're taking the blue pill thinking it's the red pill (i.e. the Bible, Koran, etc.) |
Like I said - the irony... |
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11/27/2008 03:58:56 AM · #9 |
Red - I am a curious sort ...
Message edited by author 2008-11-27 03:59:19. |
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11/27/2008 04:23:32 AM · #10 |
Interesting.
I would like to think I would take the Red, and probably in my younger days Red would appear to lead to more adventure. However in my current situation with Family & Mortgage etc I often find I reach for the Blue so as not to rock the apple cart.
What happens if you are colour blind? |
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11/27/2008 04:47:23 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by aKiwi:
Interesting.
I would like to think I would take the Red, and probably in my younger days Red would appear to lead to more adventure. However in my current situation with Family & Mortgage etc I often find I reach for the Blue so as not to rock the apple cart.
What happens if you are colour blind? |
This copied portion explains why some people would rather take the blue pill...
"People doing well under the current system are not inclined to look favourably on those who question the system. Morpheus says to Neo "You have to understand that many people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it." |
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11/27/2008 04:49:25 AM · #12 |
I've fought with this decision for most of my life. I readily admit I'm conflicted. On one hand I love to be told the truth, but at the same time I can be insecure enough that the truth hurts. However, if I had to make the choice I'd want the red pill and hope that the insecurity will go away.
I think most people have the same argument going on in their heads. At least I hope so, since it would really suck being the only one. *grin* |
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11/27/2008 05:06:28 AM · #13 |
"We are philosophically driven to seek the truth and the act of questioning whether to seek it is in itself seeking the truth. As conscious minds we will always seek the truth. However, the choice over the red or blue pills is not solely a choice between whether to question or not, it is a personal choice on the method of discovering the truth."
Which would I take?
I don't know 'til they're there in front of me......then I'll choose.....8>)
Message edited by author 2008-11-27 05:10:13.
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11/27/2008 05:06:53 AM · #14 |
I thought about the same question years ago when I watched the movie, and I still ask my self the same question after every time I watch the series, I think I watched it 4 or 5 times now '' Loser ''.
It is hard to say, as when you offered the pill, you don't know what is the Matrix. Now you watched the movie and you know how deep the rabbit wholes goes, it is scary to say Red.
I can only come with two situation, If I was the same situation as Neo, nothing to worry about, no wife, now kids, no mortgage, .. definitely I would've taken the Red. But if I was in my current situation, wife/kiddos/mortgage, I would've shoved the red one *u&()hi&$%^* a$$ and took the blue one.
I'd rather be Blue with the people I love, But if I was alone, different story .. |
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11/27/2008 05:44:11 AM · #15 |
I haven't seen the movie. I think I saw only some of "Matrix Rebooted", but really didn't understand what the whole thing is about.
Can I take a yellow pill? It's either going to be lemon or pineapple flavoured, and that I like.
Unless it's grapefruit. Blech! |
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11/27/2008 06:38:05 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Pug-H:
I haven't seen the movie. I think I saw only some of "Matrix Rebooted", but really didn't understand what the whole thing is about.
Can I take a yellow pill? It's either going to be lemon or pineapple flavoured, and that I like.
Unless it's grapefruit. Blech! |
Yes, I prefer the strawberry or raspberry flavoured sweets than those awfull blue ones that blow your mouth out with mint or bubble gum flavour... Bleeeeech! so maybe that would affect my decision. |
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11/27/2008 07:08:33 AM · #17 |
I'd take them both cos I'm a greedy bugger..... (Red)
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11/27/2008 07:12:03 AM · #18 |
What's wrong with comfort? Give me the blue pill. Like others have said once you have a spouse, a career, children, a mortgage- the red pill days fade away.
Besides what's not to say the comfort we experience now is not truth. Many people make themselves miserable by thinking that things are not as they are. The things we think determine our emotions. The challenge is in recognizing what is rational thought vs. irrational thought. |
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11/27/2008 08:32:12 AM · #19 |
Red
blue is for couch potatoes |
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11/27/2008 08:51:59 AM · #20 |
| Neither, I don't do drugs. |
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11/27/2008 08:52:31 AM · #21 |
| Red for me. "Fools rush in..." |
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11/27/2008 09:42:01 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by smichener:
What's wrong with comfort? Give me the blue pill. Like others have said once you have a spouse, a career, children, a mortgage- the red pill days fade away.
Besides what's not to say the comfort we experience now is not truth. Many people make themselves miserable by thinking that things are not as they are. The things we think determine our emotions. The challenge is in recognizing what is rational thought vs. irrational thought. |
I took the red pill 20 years ago and it will never fade away. My family is on a red pill diet. Red pills are not anti-comfort, it is just uncomfortable sometimes to take them because the path through cognitive dissonance towards truth is sometimes painful. In the end, truth doesn't need to to remain painful and it can be good for you like exercise.
Imho, anyone who is sincerely concerned with recognizing rational vs. irrational thought is on the red pill path regardless of comfort, but I think most people believe they're at or above average at recognizing irrational thought in the same way as most people think they're at or above average at driving. To actually be a good driver or good critical thinker takes some intellectual effort, but it helps prevent or at least lessen the effects of crashes in your life. |
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11/27/2008 10:15:59 AM · #23 |
I dunno (damn it's a great movie hey).... I would like to think I would pick the red pill - as would most people - but in reality I have already taken a jar full of the blue ones and I suspect most people are the same even if they would not admit to that in daylight or in public.
I have traveled enough to know the blue pills are not reality for most of the world but my version of the blue world keeps that from bothering me too much when it should bother me no end. A long time ago when working in government, I very clearly saw the reality vs. what was public info and that if more depressing then most people realise - it really is; Any that believe in free & open government in western countries are kidding themselves.
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11/27/2008 10:31:45 AM · #24 |
"The Truth is Out There"
Read the article--difficult subject to discuss, just using words. I pick the red pill every time. I'm a fence-jumper, not because the grass is greener on the other side but because I like the jump. It's more important to know yourself than to be right & the only way to know yourself is to put yourself at risk. Sometimes you have to jump, & then figure out how to build wings on the way down.
These are difficult thoughts to sustain when I've got the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade on the TV in front of me. Definitely Blue Pill Entertainment. No questions raised, none answered, Life As We Think We Know It is reaffirmed. I'm grateful for the blue pill people. They keep the world running. |
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11/27/2008 10:32:43 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by JMart:
To actually be a good driver or good critical thinker takes some intellectual effort, but it helps prevent or at least lessen the effects of crashes in your life. |
Well we all are capable of both rational and irrational thought, and I agree that if you ask someone if their thinking is rational, they will undoubtedly say they are completely rational.
But how 'bout this. Rational thinking
a)is consistent with objective reality
b) helps one accomplish their goals
c) helps one maintain their physical well being
d) helps one feel they way they want to
and e) helps one avoid or reduce conflict with people they care about.
Thoughts that don't meet one or more of these criteria might be considered irrational.
But I digress. |
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