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05/24/2004 01:37:27 AM · #1
Here is my photo I entered for centered comp:

Here is the original:

Here is the version I did not enter: Notice a little birdy, flying over the island.

First my answer: I received a few comments saying that my photo looked overprocessed. Other than converting to a tritone, there was no dodging or burning to the foreground or background. By looking at the original, I think that seems clear.

Now my question: If you look at the original, there is a bird in the far left side. I choose to remove that bird, as it was too far off and did not add to the composition. If you look at my out-take, I had moved the bird into a more central placement. I did not enter that version, as I thought it would violate the rules. Would that have been the case?

Also, just curious, does the bird add to the composition?

Anybody's thoughts are always welcomed. Thanks for listening. BTW, thanks you to all the comments my pic did get.
05/24/2004 01:41:40 AM · #2
I like the 3rd one best. You know what they say about seeing a bird at sea. "Land Ho"! Make it a print.

Message edited by author 2004-05-24 01:42:14.
05/24/2004 10:10:31 AM · #3
Originally posted by faidoi:

I like the 3rd one best. You know what they say about seeing a bird at sea. "Land Ho"! Make it a print.


I definitely plan on making it a print, with the bird. Maybe two...

The rules say:
"Cloning, dodging, and/or burning to remove imperfections and minor distracting elements is permitted, however using tools to duplicate, create, or move major elements of your photograph is not".

Do you think the bird would be considered a major element? Do you think moving the bird would have been legal?
05/24/2004 10:30:48 AM · #4
Originally posted by mariomel:

Originally posted by faidoi:

I like the 3rd one best. You know what they say about seeing a bird at sea. "Land Ho"! Make it a print.


I definitely plan on making it a print, with the bird. Maybe two...

The rules say:
"Cloning, dodging, and/or burning to remove imperfections and minor distracting elements is permitted, however using tools to duplicate, create, or move major elements of your photograph is not".

Do you think the bird would be considered a major element? Do you think moving the bird would have been legal?


It's a nice shot, and I like the bird where you put it.

As to your question, not being on the site council, just my 2 cents worth of opinion: I think if challenged, it would have been DQ'd. It would have been acceptible to remove the bird, but not move him.

It's very subjective of course, but it seems to me it's hard to justify allowing this type of manipulation at all. Then it's always one of degree, making for a lot of arguments. Better not to allow this type of scene changing at all.
05/24/2004 10:31:59 AM · #5
I think your original shot is of poor quality, your end result would have much more impact if your original was not so hazy and soft. I think the bird looks good with the shot though.
05/24/2004 10:36:13 AM · #6
My vote is with nshapiro. If you remove the bird, you're fine. Moving the bird is illegal.

{Disclaimer: My opinion counts for nothing on this matter - I am not site council, nor do I influence site council. I offer my opinion for entertainment purposes only.)

Message edited by author 2004-05-24 10:36:57.
05/24/2004 10:49:58 AM · #7
I agree with the others. Cloning it out of the picture is enhancing it, whereas moving it is changing the capture.
I'm glad you brought this up so people can discuss it and maybe get some understanding about what is ok to do. As the others have said, I'm not sc so this is only my opinion.
edit: The third one is the best one. I think it really changes the mood of the picture.

Message edited by author 2004-05-24 10:52:14.
05/24/2004 11:48:05 AM · #8
Originally posted by StevePax:

My vote is with nshapiro. If you remove the bird, you're fine. Moving the bird is illegal.


How about waiting until it moved ? Suppose it happened to go where he wanted it and looking just like it does after copy/pasting ?

Is luck more in keeping with the rules than design?


05/24/2004 11:51:06 AM · #9
Hrm, cloning.....

Could he have not just cloned it from one area to the other, then cloned sky over the original location of the bird? He didn't cut or paste, just cloned, which is legal.
05/24/2004 11:51:59 AM · #10
Originally posted by crabappl3:

Hrm, cloning.....

Could he have not just cloned it from one area to the other, then cloned sky over the original location of the bird? He didn't cut or paste, just cloned, which is legal.


I think the question is more about the ethics of the change, rather than anything to do with the specific techniques used to achieve it ?
05/24/2004 11:53:53 AM · #11
Ah... I don't have ethics :-P

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by crabappl3:

Hrm, cloning.....

Could he have not just cloned it from one area to the other, then cloned sky over the original location of the bird? He didn't cut or paste, just cloned, which is legal.


I think the question is more about the ethics of the change, rather than anything to do with the specific techniques used to achieve it ?

05/24/2004 02:42:38 PM · #12
Originally posted by crabappl3:

Hrm, cloning.....

Could he have not just cloned it from one area to the other, then cloned sky over the original location of the bird? He didn't cut or paste, just cloned, which is legal.


That is how I did it in the alternate version. I used the clone tool. I really strugled with this. My dilema came from the fact that the rules refer to a MAJOR ELEMENT. This in my mind created a grey area, open to interpretation.

After much agonizing, I decided not to take a chance.

To mattrix: As for the quality of the image: This is the un-processed (except for resized) version of the TIFF generated from the RAW file. Absolutely no sharpening, etc) The RAW files tend to be pretty crappy, without any processing. Also, the lake was very hazy to begin with. Don't forget, this was shot from several hundred feet away.
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