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11/26/2009 09:38:38 PM · #1
I'm looking into a Blu-ray player for Christmas. Currently have an LG brand TV and use an HDMI cable to connect to the ATT U-Verse box. I just heard that the HDMI cables have some hesitation between Blu-ray players and TV's if the brands differ and should look into good component cables. Reason given was that "Bill Gates and Microsoft have some kind of patented 'thing' inside the HDMI cables and it causes weird interuption."

Two questions:
1. Same brand Blu-ray as TV?
2. HDMI or Component?

Tried google, but cannot find anything definative.

Thanks!

-d
11/26/2009 09:51:26 PM · #2
Definatly HDMI over component.

As far as I know there should be no problem if your bluray and tv are different brands. It's all a standardized format.
11/26/2009 09:55:34 PM · #3
+1 for both of Dan's answers.

HDMI (nor any other popular data transmission cables) does not differentiate between brands.
11/26/2009 10:01:57 PM · #4
I had thought HDMI was a better connection. My friend just built a house and had a nice system installed--all boxes in a closet with a RF remote controls, etc. His installer ran Cat5e throughout the house then ballens (sp) that would have converted to HDMI, but now he is converting to component because he has to use Direct TV. His installer told him about some screw up between TVs and Blu-Ray if the aren't the same brand. My friend is taking this guy's advice as gospel, while I have trouble believing "Bill Gates built in a hesitation on HDMI lines to ..."

I figured someone around here would be into the HD tv and Blu-ray stuff and have some clarification.

Any more information would be appreciated.

Thanks again!

-d

eta: his installer also made him return a blu-ray player b/c it only had HDMI output. He said they needed Component output to go from the player to the "brain" (can't think of the equipment name), then the "brain" would upgrade and send over Cat5e to ballens (sp) at TV locations.

Message edited by author 2009-11-26 22:05:32.
11/26/2009 10:26:23 PM · #5
Originally posted by drewbixcube:

I had thought HDMI was a better connection. My friend just built a house and had a nice system installed--all boxes in a closet with a RF remote controls, etc. His installer ran Cat5e throughout the house then ballens (sp) that would have converted to HDMI, but now he is converting to component because he has to use Direct TV. His installer told him about some screw up between TVs and Blu-Ray if the aren't the same brand. My friend is taking this guy's advice as gospel, while I have trouble believing "Bill Gates built in a hesitation on HDMI lines to ..."

I figured someone around here would be into the HD tv and Blu-ray stuff and have some clarification.

Any more information would be appreciated.

Thanks again!

-d

eta: his installer also made him return a blu-ray player b/c it only had HDMI output. He said they needed Component output to go from the player to the "brain" (can't think of the equipment name), then the "brain" would upgrade and send over Cat5e to ballens (sp) at TV locations.


He should get a new installer.

Message edited by author 2009-11-26 22:27:01.
11/26/2009 10:32:50 PM · #6
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

He should get a new installer.


Is the information he is getting absolute crap? I figured some of the stuff he was telling me was starting to stink...

He's throwing a crap ton of money at this and based the entire system upon using ATT U-verse for TV and internet (now has been switched to Direct TV). 3 tvs on the main floor (living room, den, and bedroom) all set up in a closet with only TVs on the wall. Like I said they ran Cat5e to every spot, but when they started using component cables, I questioned if he was actually going to get real HD reception.

I guess in the end, it's his loss and his cash to fix it. That's why I asked my original questions (I like to get my stuff right the first time).

-d
11/26/2009 10:38:21 PM · #7
Originally posted by drewbixcube:

Originally posted by jbsmithana:

He should get a new installer.


Is the information he is getting absolute crap? I figured some of the stuff he was telling me was starting to stink...

He's throwing a crap ton of money at this and based the entire system upon using ATT U-verse for TV and internet (now has been switched to Direct TV). 3 tvs on the main floor (living room, den, and bedroom) all set up in a closet with only TVs on the wall. Like I said they ran Cat5e to every spot, but when they started using component cables, I questioned if he was actually going to get real HD reception.

I guess in the end, it's his loss and his cash to fix it. That's why I asked my original questions (I like to get my stuff right the first time).

-d


I can't say if it is all crap or not as I’m certainly not an expert but I can say that these type systems is only as good as their weakest component. In addition installers don’t always know what they are talking about and at times go with whatever makes their job easier.

I don't know much but I have on more tha one occasion had installers for the cable company at my house where I had to tell them how to do it befroe they screwed up my system.
11/26/2009 10:46:44 PM · #8
I will say he is getting 100% crap information, Not only should he get a new installer, he should rethink the using the component connections or have it wired for both because it wont be long and direct Tv will have boxes that support HDMI (perhaps they already do, I dont know for sure though) if not I am Surprised they don't. Most of the major cable companies do.

I have a sony blu-ray player (NTSC) I have used it with a Sony TV (PAL) a Vizio TV NTSC and a Mitsubishi HD projector (NTSC/PAL) with zero problems. It works great. HDMI is universial Will work on any tv with HDMI inputs NTSC or PAL... I have an American Xbox 360 that i use here in New Zealand and it also works on all TV's with HDMI... So I wouldn't put any stock in what the guy said about Microsoft either. Would not be surprised if the guy giving out this info owns a tinfoil hat...

One Bit of advise I can give is dont buy really cheap HDMI cables they will give you problems. I have a friend and a brother inlaw that both went the cheap route and experienced issues, both ended up going out and buying better cables which solved all their problems.

Originally posted by drewbixcube:

I had thought HDMI was a better connection. My friend just built a house and had a nice system installed--all boxes in a closet with a RF remote controls, etc. His installer ran Cat5e throughout the house then ballens (sp) that would have converted to HDMI, but now he is converting to component because he has to use Direct TV. His installer told him about some screw up between TVs and Blu-Ray if the aren't the same brand. My friend is taking this guy's advice as gospel, while I have trouble believing "Bill Gates built in a hesitation on HDMI lines to ..."

I figured someone around here would be into the HD tv and Blu-ray stuff and have some clarification.

Any more information would be appreciated.

Thanks again!

-d

eta: his installer also made him return a blu-ray player b/c it only had HDMI output. He said they needed Component output to go from the player to the "brain" (can't think of the equipment name), then the "brain" would upgrade and send over Cat5e to ballens (sp) at TV locations.


Message edited by author 2009-11-26 23:30:11.
11/26/2009 11:09:17 PM · #9
Sometimes the same brand BR, Dvd, receivers, etc when connected to the same brand television has extra features.
11/26/2009 11:32:50 PM · #10
I found an LG Blu-ray player in the price range I was looking for, so I will probably keep it with the same brand as my TV. I will make sure to buy a decent HDMI cable for the connection.

As for my friend, I will tell him to check around now on how to fix what will inevitably be a crappy connection. I figured out his "brain" is a matrix with 8 inputs and 4 outputs (3 Direct TV receivers, iPod, blu-ray, and open spots for radio tuner, etc) output to 3 tvs with 3 speaker zones. What he has told me that doesn't make any sense is that "everything inputs to the matrix with component cables, is 'upgraded' and sent to TVs through Cat5e, changed at a balun back to component cables, then plugged into TVs. All are run with additional IR remote systems." I don't know much about all this (just added HD this September) but it just didn't sound right to me.

Thanks for the input, and please feel free to offer up ways I can help my buddy fix his inevitable issues.

-d

PS: he is using the company recommended by his builder (looks like both are ripping him off pretty good).
11/26/2009 11:46:22 PM · #11
That will workout for you, You will enjoy it. Blu-Ray is awesome. I am really glad they won the format war, Even though I bought into Toshibas HD DVD system before Sony won the Battle. I kept the Toshiba player however because it actually does a better job upscaling standard DVDs than the Sony does. You definately should let your friend know that with the Component connection he is not going to have true 1080P HD, 720P or 1080i is the best component can produce.



Originally posted by drewbixcube:

I found an LG Blu-ray player in the price range I was looking for, so I will probably keep it with the same brand as my TV. I will make sure to buy a decent HDMI cable for the connection.

As for my friend, I will tell him to check around now on how to fix what will inevitably be a crappy connection. I figured out his "brain" is a matrix with 8 inputs and 4 outputs (3 Direct TV receivers, iPod, blu-ray, and open spots for radio tuner, etc) output to 3 tvs with 3 speaker zones. What he has told me that doesn't make any sense is that "everything inputs to the matrix with component cables, is 'upgraded' and sent to TVs through Cat5e, changed at a balun back to component cables, then plugged into TVs. All are run with additional IR remote systems." I don't know much about all this (just added HD this September) but it just didn't sound right to me.

Thanks for the input, and please feel free to offer up ways I can help my buddy fix his inevitable issues.

-d

PS: he is using the company recommended by his builder (looks like both are ripping him off pretty good).
11/26/2009 11:53:20 PM · #12
Originally posted by Bugzeye:

You definately should let your friend know that with the Component connection he is not going to have true 1080P HD, 720P or 1080i is the best component can produce.

Good to know, I am sure the guy is selling him on the fact that he will have "high def"...probably leaving out that it won't be 1080p. Which is great because he also dropped several thousand dollars on new high end TVs for this house.

-d
11/27/2009 03:30:43 AM · #13
Originally posted by drewbixcube:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

You definately should let your friend know that with the Component connection he is not going to have true 1080P HD, 720P or 1080i is the best component can produce.

Good to know, I am sure the guy is selling him on the fact that he will have "high def"...probably leaving out that it won't be 1080p. Which is great because he also dropped several thousand dollars on new high end TVs for this house.

-d


Dont know if it is the same in the US but in the UK Sky HD Satellite only broadcast up to 1080i due to bandwith limitations. Also 720p is classed as high definition (not its not full hd but it is hd)
For more info on this you may like to check out this website, its really excellent and I spend quite a lot of time there (sad!). PRovides information on a vast amount of equipment

AV Forums

Message edited by author 2009-11-27 03:34:49.
11/27/2009 03:38:17 AM · #14
I believe it is the same in the states. Most of the local stations where I am from broadcast in 720P and 1080i

There is still alot of debate as to which of the two is better alot of people will argue that 720P is a better picture. The only time I ever noticed any real difference was while watching sports or fast action movies. I think the Progressive Scan was smoother. For stuff like sitcoms there really is not a difference at all.

ETA: That being said, I do see a huge difference if I watch a movie via the HD Cable 720P-1080i vs Blu-Ray at 1080P.

Originally posted by Sevlow:

Originally posted by drewbixcube:

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

You definately should let your friend know that with the Component connection he is not going to have true 1080P HD, 720P or 1080i is the best component can produce.

Good to know, I am sure the guy is selling him on the fact that he will have "high def"...probably leaving out that it won't be 1080p. Which is great because he also dropped several thousand dollars on new high end TVs for this house.

-d


Dont know if it is the same in the US but in the UK Sky HD Satellite only broadcast up to 1080i due to bandwith limitations. Also 720p is classed as high definition (not its not full hd but it is hd)
For more info on this you may like to check out this website, its really excellent and I spend quite a lot of time there (sad!). PRovides information on a vast amount of equipment

AV Forums


Message edited by author 2009-11-27 03:42:11.
11/27/2009 09:47:26 AM · #15
My cable has several stations that are 1080p.

Generally, the average human will not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080i until the screen is around 50".

As for the HDMI vs. component issue, your friend's installer doesn't know what he's talking about. He should stick to installing and leave the technical advice to someone who knows their shit from shinola. HDMI is head and shoulders above component.
11/27/2009 09:59:20 AM · #16
Originally posted by Spazmo99:

My cable has several stations that are 1080p.

Generally, the average human will not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080i until the screen is around 50".

As for the HDMI vs. component issue, your friend's installer doesn't know what he's talking about. He should stick to installing and leave the technical advice to someone who knows their shit from shinola. HDMI is head and shoulders above component.


Nice to get 1080P !

Agree re HDMI V Component - he should be installing something with both options - like this > Cat5e HD Matrix


11/27/2009 10:21:17 AM · #17
We bought an LG LCD TV and surround sound with DVD player. The TV is good. The DVD/surround sound stinks. The DVD regularly freezes and we have to power cycle it to get it to work again. This is even after we sent it in for a ‘code upgrade’. If I were to do it again, I would look for the best of each and not worry about getting the same brand.

Look into the Logitech Harmony remote control. It makes everything work like a single unit, no matter what mix of brands.


11/27/2009 10:43:05 AM · #18
Originally posted by ML:


Look into the Logitech Harmony remote control. It makes everything work like a single unit, no matter what mix of brands.


Yes , I can highly recommend the Harmony remote controls. My 555 replaced 7 of my remotes. Now its one touch for any activity I need , Xbox via amp, Sat via amp, Sat via tv, Radio, Play cd etc.

The best bit of kit I have every bought !


11/27/2009 12:09:48 PM · #19
i wonder if they ran RCA cables for audio... ?


11/27/2009 01:39:42 PM · #20
I was wondering about that myself. I have an older receiver that doesn't have HDMI, But everything else I have -does so I have my Xbox BR-DVD and TV Reciever all going into the TV via HDMI and I have an Optical Out of the TV into the Reciever. Probably not the most incredible way to hook things up, but it works and I do not have to monkey around changing input channels on the receiver all three devices are playing through that one single connection.

I am going to go out today and look for a Harmony Remote. :)

Spazmo, When I was still in the states we had quite a few channels that were 1080P HD Net HD Movie HD Theater Discovery Channel etc... I really miss that... Here they are talking it will be 6 more years before they are completely switched over. Seems a bit behind the times. But not much I can do about it.

Originally posted by soup:

i wonder if they ran RCA cables for audio... ?
11/27/2009 01:51:24 PM · #21
best buy has one on sale for $39

//www.bestbuy.com/site/Logitech+-+Harmony+510+Advanced+Universal+Remote/8908097.p?id=1213047090938&skuId=8908097&st=8908097&cp=1&lp=1

i have everything into a harmon kardon avr145 ( i think ) via HDMI ( xbox, cable, ( dvd is too old for HDMI - so componant there ) )

one HDMI out from amp to samsung TV. one componat out from amp to TV

all optical audio into amp.

of course the Wii is sort of limited in connections. it's componant to TV /RCA to amp...

Message edited by author 2009-11-27 13:53:13.
11/27/2009 01:58:15 PM · #22
Thanks for the info, If I can't find one in the stores over here, I will probably order it on Bestbuy.com and have it sent to my contact in the states who can send it to me over here. I have been doing that with quite a few items over the past few months, Especially Xbox games.

Originally posted by soup:

best buy has one on sale for $39

//www.bestbuy.com/site/Logitech+-+Harmony+510+Advanced+Universal+Remote/8908097.p?id=1213047090938&skuId=8908097&st=8908097&cp=1&lp=1

11/27/2009 02:03:50 PM · #23
the one i posted in in store only - sold out online.

i didnt realize you were over seas.


11/27/2009 02:09:06 PM · #24
I can always have someone over there pick one up for me too. Hopefully I can find one here though and save money on the cost of shipping it.

Originally posted by soup:

the one i posted in in store only - sold out online.

i didnt realize you were over seas.
11/27/2009 02:12:42 PM · #25
i'm thinking about too. i've gotten used to 4-5 remotes at this point though. a couple clicks and what i want is on.

choose on amp, chose on TV and done... so i don't want to spend too much on a remote - especially if it's not gonna function all the componants fully. ie: i want to change the sound scheme of the amp for a movie. the amp does most of that on its own, but i like to play around sometimes.


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