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Alex biting lip
07/22/2005 03:08:08 PM
Alex biting lip
by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
Awsome coloring here... I have to admitt I am starting to see more clearly...of just what digital can do and should do if the right settings are used.. Wich goes back to the first advice I should of followed when I started here.. John Setzler said in a comment..."Know your manual and camera inside and out.." I have to learn inside now.. :)
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Looking up
07/22/2005 03:02:46 PM
Looking up
by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
Darn nab I am envious and I must know how to do this in my camera..
I tried 2 nights ago on a full moon clear night.. I can not get any details out of it...well I shouldnt say can not I should say havent and still trying.. This fugi must be able to..
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P5090048-(resized).jpg
07/22/2005 02:57:00 PM
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by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
You are so good at looking at everything...
Your eyes are awesome! You must apperently really know the color management in digital technology and for printing..
Thats a plus...To me I would think that there was nothing wrong with this image.. Do you use the color palette in photoshop while reading and understanding the numbers?
Just wondering because of your comments so far...
Its really got me thinking about color management...
I am sorry not to offend you but I kind of giggled a bit when you made the statement about spending so much time with the technical issues and the camera capabilities...I agree with you..Now I just need to focus on what my camera does instead of the outcome or what other cameras do..
Though its all good to know about the technical things in photography and as many cameras I have been through I understand now what you are talking about as well as going through..... Sometimes I think I have it and I know my camera then other times haha wasnt right and it shows me..
My scores show for it as well.. So now that we are going through this walking through it step by step I am pretty sure I will get a awesome photo in the end... I hope anyways.. :) Ok back to the picture....factors to eyes and training thyself to study a image on the screen without distractions of other glares from lights and such...
I dont see how anyone does it in the daytime.. I may have to check this out tonight.. and see if I can tell any other differences.. By the way both of your shots are very good models.. like Charles said..very good keep up the good work and studying you will go far...
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P4130033 (resized).jpg
07/22/2005 02:28:38 PM
P4130033 (resized).jpg
by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
Here it is a graph...
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Found on this site here...More on Color management...
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P4130033 (resized).jpg
07/22/2005 01:40:30 PM
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by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
awwwhhh the sample paper to carry everywhere.... The first lesson in our photography meetup group this year was about setting the white balance and the exposure in your camera by taking a photo of a white card, black card, gray card, or the Kodak card that has all the colors I believe it would be 256 colors on that card. To be exact O had to look it up.. its the Kodak Polychrome, Colorflow, custom color card..(Gives you a true colors square for all the colors and a chart with all the values of the colors.) Mr. Parks (majoring in color science) used it during his demonstration...It was indeed the best 2 hours of non stop talk about color science, color management, and white balance....At the end when it was time for us all to go home...everyone left with headaches, I'll tell you my head was splitting open and others were complaining too..There is more than 2 hours of info he went through but after I started reading again about it all it started sinking.. Here you have the best color range for sure.. You can match up the colors in the light of your subject in a photo program when you take the photo of the card too. I have tried.. but my editing skills arent the greatest and I find myself skipping out on taking a pic of these 3 imporntant elements..white, black, and gray...You more than likely know about all of this, I just thought I share for others and to see how much I remember..Here is a site that I just found that really goes in debt with the Color balance and it says that a sample color card from wall paint that you can find in home depot, walmart...would do...its rather intersting.. //www.microscopyu.com/articles/digitalimaging/colorbalance.html

Message edited by author 2005-07-22 14:06:04.
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P5090048-(resized).jpg
07/18/2005 08:28:01 PM
P5090048-(resized).jpg
by David.C

Comment by sheapod:
Wow! There's absolutely nothing I can say here. I'm ashamed to admit you've thought about this much more than I ever have. That's pretty much why I'm taking part in this mentorship though. I've got to learn to stop and think about a photo before I press the shutter button. :-)
Personally, for what it's worth, I like the exposure.
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P4130033 (resized).jpg
07/18/2005 08:15:34 PM
P4130033 (resized).jpg
by David.C

Comment by sheapod:
It looks really good to me. I'm going to have to try exposing with a grey card. It's pretty rare for me to get such good exposure right out of the camera.
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P4130033 (resized).jpg
07/16/2005 03:20:59 AM
P4130033 (resized).jpg
by David.C

Comment by David.C:
SOOTC? I'm not familiar with that one.

/edit: nevermind, I searched for it.

"Straight Out Of The Camera" :)

Message edited by author 2005-07-16 03:23:58.
P5090048-(resized).jpg
07/16/2005 03:00:51 AM
P5090048-(resized).jpg
by David.C

Comment by David.C:
Ingrid: For this assignment I needed an image that had something I didn't like about the exposure. I don't keep the images with glaringly obvious problems, as I personally don't like the 'fix it later' mentality -- it just seems a bit too sloppy for my tastes. I suppose if it was a 'no repeat' photo I would keep it, but I dont have many of them -- I analyze, delete and reshoot if I think it would be worth it. So for this assignment I had to make do with a photo that has reasonably good exposure, but also has something about it I didn't like. This fit the bill nicely.

Chuck:
re: the Sun, it was nearly 90 degrees to my left -- it cast some fairly harsh shadows before she evened them with her shadow. :)

re: Center-weighted average making a difference; it would depend on how much weight the center received I suppose. If the center was given a large percentage bias (like 90% or so) I don't think it would have made much of a difference, but if it has much less bias it could have made a lot of difference. I really can't say one way or another as I have no experience with center-weighted metering at all. My camera has two metering modes; Digital ESP and Spot. Digital ESP is form of tone pattern matching, where it analyzes the location of various tones in the image and then compares them against stored templates (such as back-lit, dark background, etc) and chooses exposure settings based on the tones metered and the template it matches. It seems unpredictable to me so I don't use it. That leaves me with spot metering as all I have ever used once I started thinking about what I was doing. (Having only two metering modes is also going to make it hard to do the 2nd assignment in which we are to compare 3 metering modes.)

re: Exposure settings; yes I choose the large aperture for the DOF. I also backed up and zoomed in to largest optical zoom (equivalent to 600mm) in an attempt to increase the bokeh as much as possible. What you see is the most out of focus I could get the background -- and that is with the dark building and white flowers quite a ways back, about 30' behind the roses. The aperture of my camera, at that focal length, is f3.2-f7.1, - only a 2 stop difference, but the background would have been recognizable. Unfortunately, small sensor means large DOF -- getting anything out of focus (provided something is in focus) is always a hassle. As for the shutter speed, 1/500" may be moderate for your camera, but the fastest mine will go is 1/1000".

Sometimes I really hate my camera! :( I've spent the better part of the last year and a half learning the technical details of different aspects of photography -- for no other purpose than to be able to get around the limitations the camera puts on me. As a result I've learned a lot more about the technical aspects of photography than I would have otherwise, but I spend more time with my attention on my camera than on my subject. Sorry, didn't mean to go into a mini-rant.

Message edited by author 2005-07-16 03:15:30.
P5090048-(resized).jpg
07/15/2005 08:30:23 PM
P5090048-(resized).jpg
by David.C

Comment by Dr.Confuser:
You've done a good job commenting on exposure, working backwords to determine what you did that yielded those results, and reasoning forward to what you would do differently next time. Note to our mentor group: This is an excellent habit to get into. It will help you improve over time.

On the scale of 1 (bad) to 10 (good) this is closer to 10 than to 1. The under exposed background does no damage at all and makes a nice frame around the subject flowers. You've lost some definition in the flowers you might have preferred to keep. Not terrible but there could have been a marginal improvement.

Your choice of Spot metering was excellent since your subject was significantly brighter than the background and it gives you the best chance for correct exposure. Do you think center weighted average whould have improved or worsened the result? Let me know your thoughts here.

I am curious about your choice of shutter speed and apereture. You indicated it was too bright for your camera. Yet, you used a pretty wide open lens (F/3.4) and a moderate shutterspeed (1/500). Could you have dealt with the brightness with a faster shutter? I suppose you chose F stops to narrow DOF. If not, could you have used a smaller lens opening? Obviously, I am sneaking up on a future topic.

Probably because your neice was shielding the flowers, it isn't obvious where the sun was. Where was the sun relative to you and your subject? Would a different camera angle yielded different exposure results?

Message edited by author 2005-07-15 20:32:09.
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