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01/12/2005 11:26:55 PM · #1 |
I'm not sure if this would work, but I was thinking about doing it myself so if anyone can confirm that it would work please comment. I don't have any photoshop whatsover, but would love to avoid paying $400-$600 for new retail CS. So couldn't I purchase a new sealed full retail version of PS 6 off ebay for around $100, then purchase the CS upgrade for around $150, for a total cost of only $250?
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01/12/2005 11:32:32 PM · #2 |
Look at Photoshop Elements 3.0. Best Buy/Circuit City it is $99.99. It is an excellent editting program that has lots of the nice Photoshop CS features.
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01/12/2005 11:49:12 PM · #3 |
you must know what you are buying - in theory it will work, but if someone is selling their old PS since they upgraded, then you technically have a pirated version.
Are you a student? You can (or could) buy a 'student edition' for about $200. Not sure about upgrades or whatnot as one will not be a student for ever.
i hear GIMP is good, and free. search the net.
CS adds a few niceties, but from what i have read, the one thing most folks want is the RAW converter and it is somewhat generic so the one that came with your camera is better. Elements 3.0 will do RAW.
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01/12/2005 11:53:39 PM · #4 |
Photoshop 7.0 can be had, new and registerable, on the web for around 50 bucks. It does not qualify for tech support, as it's a "bundle" package. They'll send you with it a computer cable or something to qualify as an OEM distributer.
//www.buysusa.com/
I didn't get mine this way, but I have CorelDraw purchased that way and I have since upgraded it no problem.
There is very little CS can do that 7.0 can't, except it handles RAW better. I have not felt the need to upgrade, myself; I still run 7.0
Robt.
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 00:01:41.
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01/13/2005 12:09:10 AM · #5 |
| That will work, provided you can find a new, older version that isn't pirated. MegaMacs has Photoshop 4 for Windows for $190, and that should be eligible for an upgrade to CS. Your other choice would be Photoshop Elements 3, which offers much of the same functionality for a lot less. |
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01/13/2005 12:16:07 AM · #6 |
I have Elements 3 and regret it. Elements 2 was very good and PS wasn't worth the surplus. Elements 3 adds new features but a non-standard windowing interface which is all show and glamour, no functionality, but a pain in the rear.
There are some new features in Elements 3 worth upgrading, and if it weren't for the crappy interface, I'd be pretty happy. But if you have a Canon, which I guess comes with Elements 2 (I already owned a full copy) then you can upgrade to CS for $299. Or you can find student discounts for around $250 if you have some sort of student ID.
By the way, PS CS has an interface similar to Elements 2, so hopefully it's not a matter of PS CS "catching up" and getting that crappy interface too. SORRY FOR ALL the "C" words, but ITS REALLY ANNOYING.
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01/13/2005 12:33:59 AM · #7 |
If you can find an unregistered version of 7.0 cheaply, go for it. If it does not have a key code or if it's been registered, you will only be able to use it and won't qualify for upgrading to CS. If it has been registered and you know who had it before, you will need to download a paper copy of a release form that needs to be filled out and signed by the previous owner & you, then faxed to Adobe so you can get it transfered to you. (that's what I had to do when my neighbor gave me his 7.0 when he bought the full CS version). I can now upgrade to CS because of this.
Be very careful about buying expensive programs on the web, as they can be simply a copy "to be used as a back up only". You won't ever be able to register them and/or get updates.
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01/13/2005 12:39:18 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by JEFFJSB:
Look at Photoshop Elements 3.0. Best Buy/Circuit City it is $99.99. It is an excellent editting program that has lots of the nice Photoshop CS features. |
I use Elements at work and hate it. Once you've used the full version of PS there's no going back. PS is much more powerful and the results are better, quicker. I usually bring any photo work home to do because I can't stand using Elements. No offense to anyone but, like with anything, it's hard to go in reverse. It's comparable to going from broadband to dialup. If you can afford the full version and you will use it often, buy it!
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01/13/2005 02:08:26 AM · #9 |
Brad,
I used the link I provided for CorelDraw, and got the real thing. Was able to register, and was able to upgrade. Anyway, at that price, who needs to be able to upgrade? It will get you into PS 7 just fine, and it's only 50 bucks.
Robt.
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01/13/2005 03:35:43 AM · #10 |
A friend of mine brought a copy of CS from buysusa.com for $99 and it came with a registration code and she had no problems registering it with adobe and she can upgrade from it, but it has no tech support or manuals (but it had an instruction video on a cd)
this seems to be the best way to get it as there are lots of tutorials on the net and you should be able to get a pdf copy of the manual
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01/13/2005 04:53:46 AM · #11 |
Be aware that anybody claiming to sell OEM versions of Photoshop CS or Photoshop 7 are simply "making things up" to sound legitimate, and convince you it is OK to buy their pirated software.
The problem is that Adobe has never had an OEM version of Photoshop CS or Photoshop 7.
What they are selling you is a pirated CD, likely from China, Singapore or some other country in the far-east. The reason you can't get "tech support" is because you cannot register the program with Adobe, because they supply you with a "warez" serial number. It will also not be possible to purchase a legitimate copy of the next upgrade to Photoshop from Adobe for the same reason.
Because Photoshop CS requires "activation" (which is totally different than registration; see this link and search for the question "How do activation and registration differ?"), notice that the website in question says:
We will provide you with the telephone number to activate the software.
Why should they need to provide you with a telephone number for activation, when a real authentic copy of Photoshop CS is activated automatically over the internet? The only reason is because they have some "cracker tool" that allows them to generate their own activation codes.
If you have a legitimate version of Photoshop, you'll be able to go to this link, type in your serial number, and actually start the registration process. (Again, activation is something completely different than registration.)
For more information on these pirate web sites, see this discussion in the Adobe photoshop forum, where one Adobe employee confirms that there is no OEM version of the latter versions of Photoshop. And rightly points out this question: "If I'm questioning the legitimacy of the software being sold, can I trust these folks with my credit card info?"
The fact that they say the program can be "updated" simply means that you can download updates from Adobe's web site (like from Photoshop 7.0 to Photoshop 7.0.1). But be aware that Adobe has blacklisted warez'd serial numbers in the past...
As usual, if it seems too good to be true, it is.
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 05:07:36. |
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01/13/2005 05:56:25 AM · #12 |
Eddy,
You evidently know more than I so I'll shut up. I'd be suspicious as hell of CS sold this way, but I was under the impression that earlier-generation versions of programs commonlky filtered down like this. Certainly, it worked for CorelDraw, for me. I bought it, registered it, and eventually upgraded it.
I'd be the last one to condone piracy, I have never knowingly engaged in it except to load up someone else's program to try out; if I liked it, I bought my own copy.
Apologies,
Robt.
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01/13/2005 10:44:45 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Eddy,
You evidently know more than I so I'll shut up. I'd be suspicious as hell of CS sold this way, but I was under the impression that earlier-generation versions of programs commonlky filtered down like this. |
I think I have a copy of PS 2.5 or so, still sealed in the box; it came with a scanner. Eddy is right though, Adobe has not bundled a full version with other products for some time. |
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01/13/2005 10:57:44 AM · #14 |
| any chance you are a student? You can get PS much cheaper at a Univ. with a student card. |
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01/13/2005 11:13:43 AM · #15 |
I have been using educator upgrades since version 3.
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 11:15:36. |
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01/13/2005 11:14:25 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Are you a student? You can (or could) buy a 'student edition' for about $200. Not sure about upgrades or whatnot as one will not be a student for ever.
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You can get great discounts as a student or instructor but my experience has been that you cannot upgrade. CCV Software has the CS Suite (PS, Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, & Acrobat) for $359. PS alone is $262. This is available even for part-time students & teachers.
edit: I checked on the Adobe site and they do allow upgrades to academic software.
Message edited by author 2005-01-20 16:21:10. |
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01/13/2005 11:19:02 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
But if you have a Canon, which I guess comes with Elements 2 (I already owned a full copy) then you can upgrade to CS for $299. Or you can find student discounts for around $250 if you have some sort of student ID.
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What are you talking about here? I checked Adobe's web-site and there is nothing that suggests that you can upgrade from Photoshop Elements 2.0 or whatever to Photoshop CS. In fact, the site specifically states the following:
" To install upgrade successfully, you will need a licensed version of Photoshop 7.0 or earlier on the same platform as this purchase.
NOTE:Upgrade does not apply to Photoshop Elements, Photoshop Album, Photoshop Limited Edition, or PhotoDeluxe licensed users."
If that was possible, I would be all over that upgrade... |
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01/13/2005 11:39:13 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Nelzie:
What are you talking about here? I checked Adobe's web-site and there is nothing that suggests that you can upgrade from Photoshop Elements 2.0 or whatever to Photoshop CS. |
You can if your version of Photoshop Elements came bundled with a Canon camera... click here for link to Adobe store
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 11:40:11. |
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01/13/2005 11:42:23 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I was under the impression that earlier-generation versions of programs commonlky filtered down like this. Certainly, it worked for CorelDraw, for me. I bought it, registered it, and eventually upgraded it. |
No doubt that there are indeed OEM versions of some software products. Some of the stuff sold on that website may indeed be "legitimate" (I use the term lightly, because technically they can only be sold with the hardware they were bundled with) OEM products that can be registered and upgraded down the road. The only point I was trying to make was that Photoshop (and other high-end Adobe products) are not one of those products. =] |
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01/13/2005 11:44:49 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Nelzie:
What are you talking about here? I checked Adobe's web-site and there is nothing that suggests that you can upgrade from Photoshop Elements 2.0 or whatever to Photoshop CS. |
You can if your version of Photoshop Elements came bundled with a Canon camera... click here for link to Adobe store |
*Rubs hands together in a devilish fasion*
Muwhahahahaahhaha...
Now, I only need to persuade my better half of the power of the CS Side and how it now even closer to my grasp... (Yeah, I am in 'over the top movie villain' mood today...) |
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01/13/2005 11:54:04 AM · #21 |
I have been using Elements 2.0 for the last few months and was recently pointed to a "Channel Mixer" plugin which has been great.
I'm still missing out on curves, quadtones and other great processing tools that Photoshop has. Does anybody know what Elements 3.0 actually has over and above what 2.0 has? Is it just RAW conversion?
Also, since the consensus is that the buysusa.com website is sketchy and I won't use pirated software (and I'm not a student)...what is the cheapest way to do this?
I'm assuming it's the upgrade link that EddyG provided...I think there was one in Canada for a little bit less money as well.
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01/13/2005 11:58:33 AM · #22 |
Re: BuysUSA.com, it says this hidden in their terms somewhere:
You understand that in order for Buysusa to make you a copy of any
software, you acknowledge that you are the legal owner of this same
software, and are looking to just make a new copy for archival (backup)
purposes only.
Essentially, you already have to own the software to buy it...you're technically buying a 'backup copy' in order to make a purchase that is legal.
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01/13/2005 12:03:23 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by Nelzie:
What are you talking about here? I checked Adobe's web-site and there is nothing that suggests that you can upgrade from Photoshop Elements 2.0 or whatever to Photoshop CS. |
You can if your version of Photoshop Elements came bundled with a Canon camera... click here for link to Adobe store |
Oh! thanks Eddy, another thing to add to my wish list!
oh and as a side note when looking up buysusa.com
12-20-04 - 11:16 PM
Buysusa, one seller of cheap Macromedia software, is without a doubt a scam.
The following from their website, buried in item 9 of a page accessed
through a link at the very bottom of their FAQ, was also posted by an
earlier contributor to the thread, and is beyond inane:
"9. Terms of Software Use
9.1 You understand that in order for Buysusa to make you a copy of any
software, you acknowledge that you are the legal owner of this same
software, and are looking to just make a new copy for archival (backup)
purposes only. You also agree to destroy all copies of the software in the
event it is ever no longer voluntarily in your possession. You understand
that only the licensed owner (with a valid serial number, where applicable)
of the various software found on Buysusa may use the services located here.
You also acknowledge that the software you have was obtained legally and
that you have the legal right to request this backup copy to be made. If you
obtained your version though any other means, including any pirated
versions, or if you do not already legally own the same version of the
software requested, then you may not use this service. Furthermore, you
agree to hold Buysusa harmless for any damages that may occur for your
failure to follow the U.S. Copyright and other laws as they pertain to the
backup you are requesting. When you purchase any backup copy of software
through Buysusa, you agree to assume full liability in the event your
actions are deemed illegal. Buysusa does not condone software piracy and has
every intention of complying with the laws pertaining to the duplication of
software."
They do not condone software piracy - yet what percentage of their clients
already own the software they are purchasing?
Psychology is a field that holds tremendous interest for me. That the
owners of this firm manage to sleep at night is a marvel of psychological
adaptation.
Whether all suppliers of cheap Macromedia software are similar to these
reprobates, I do not yet know. When I hear back from Macromedia customer
service regarding their policy on purchasing OEM software, I'll post.
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01/13/2005 12:06:51 PM · #24 |
First let me say I'm in no way condoning piracy. Now let me say that Adobe would much rather a home user use a pirated version of their product than buy the cheaper (or free) alternatives. If not they would be using a dongle for activation much like most of the RIP software employ. Simply put, the home user or student can potentially go out into workforce and bring their PS skills with them, but they can't if they are using someone elses software. I know some will pass this off as a lame rationalization - for the record I use PS Elements 2 like alot of Dreblers.
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01/13/2005 12:08:57 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by orussell:
First let me say I'm in no way condoning piracy. Now let me say that Adobe would much rather a home user use a pirated version of their product than buy the cheaper (or free) alternatives. If not they would be using a dongle for activation much like most of the RIP software employ. Simply put, the home user or student can potentially go out into workforce and bring their PS skills with them, but they can't if they are using someone elses software. I know some will pass this off as a lame rationalization - for the record I use PS Elements 2 like alot of Dreblers. |
hehe...and if I hadn't stolen my Canon Digital Rebel, I wouldn't be in the market for the Canon lenses I plan on buying and they'd miss out on an ultimate profit realization. No wonder the Canon rep wasn't guarding the door!
;0)
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