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 01/19/2005 09:21:22 AM · #26
Beethoven became progressively deaf as he got older, and was probably completely deaf by the time he completed his last works.
 01/19/2005 11:29:39 AM · #27
Originally posted by loz1:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Ok... Everybody is talking about the moral aspect of this. I want to know more about the biological aspect... I mean... How is it possible that... hum... I mean 66 years old... Aren't the... huh... ovarys... hum... I mean menopose... Hum... Hum... How is this possible?


She is not the biological mother, she had donner eggs and sperm inseminated into her.

Its still an amazing thing though. I have never had kids but I would imagine it would take a hell of a lot of strength to bring a healthy baby into this world. A lot of older mothers have serious health problems, and that can happen to people in their 40's.


At the age of 34, and 37 weeks pregnant myself, currently, this woman is bound to be as strong as an ox. :-) I'm just hoping to make it another week or two . . .

As far as whether right or wrong. She had a decision to make and she made it. I know so little about the case, I don't feel I am in a position to judge. We really don't know all the circumstances surrounding the situation, do we? Are there nieces/nephews/close friends that will help her? Or is she truly all alone in this world? It doesn't seem to me to be in the best interest of the kid, but what do I know.

On a side note -- wasn't there a similar case a few weeks back with a 57 yo woman?
 01/19/2005 11:31:07 AM · #28
Originally posted by karmat:

At the age of 34, and 37 weeks pregnant myself...*snip*


Hehe...I misread this at first, believing you were both 34 weeks pregnant and 37 weeks pregnant!
 01/19/2005 11:43:21 AM · #29
So one of the 66 year old woman's twins was stillborn?

01/19/2005 12:15:16 PM · #30
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by karmat:

At the age of 34, and 37 weeks pregnant myself...*snip*


Hehe...I misread this at first, believing you were both 34 weeks pregnant and 37 weeks pregnant!


Let's see, added together that would be 71? Yep, that's about how it feels. :-)
 01/19/2005 12:39:46 PM · #31
When I read this story, my initial thought was that some Doctor / scientist want's to get into the news and become famous (Loads of free advertising). I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there whose only wish in the world is to have their own child. I think issue here is if it is morylly right for some doctor to decide / allow a 66 year old woman to have a child. I think the doctor who did this is creating a freak, or playing God.
There should be an age limit set for artificial insemination. If she had the baby naturally, then good for her. But if some doctor just want's to get his name & picture in the newspaper, then I am completely against it.
 01/19/2005 01:27:21 PM · #32
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
So one of the 66 year old woman's twins was stillborn?


Originally there were triplets. One was lost in the early stages of the pregnancy. Apparently they have known for about a month that the second one would not make it, but waited to induce labour until they felt the time was right for the third one to survive. I understand she has been trying to have a baby for nine years and has had two previous failed pregnancies.

I have also been wondering what family she has, as there are no father or siblings. If there are cousins, there may be some hope of this child having a relatively normal life. If not, it is a big worry.
01/19/2005 02:10:27 PM · #33
I just read about this on MSN. She is obviously well past the age of conception and they used science to cheat nature. The mother is still in intensive care and hasn't seen her baby girl yet who's a tiny little thing. Doc's say they're both doing well...but come on...if I were in intensive care and just starting to be able to "move around a bit" I wouldn't think I was doing too hot.

01/19/2005 02:39:54 PM · #34
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I just read about this on MSN. She is obviously well past the age of conception and they used science to cheat nature. The mother is still in intensive care and hasn't seen her baby girl yet who's a tiny little thing. Doc's say they're both doing well...but come on...if I were in intensive care and just starting to be able to "move around a bit" I wouldn't think I was doing too hot.


Obviously you know nothing of a high risk pregnancy. My 8 year old was a high risk pregnancy (extremely high blood pressure was the problem) that ended with super imposed toxiema and resulted in an emergency c section. I spent the first 2 days of his life drugged out of my mind with morphine. I wasn't allowed out of bed til he was 3 days old. I may not have been doing too hot but that didn't stop me. I couldn't even pick him up on my own til he was 2 weeks old. I had to have someone hand him to me so I could hold him thats how bad I was. But would I let that stop me from having another one...NOPE! As a matter of fact he is getting a little baby brother or sister in late August this year.

I already know I'm a high risk pregnancy because I'm now 37 and I still have the blood pressure problems am I worried about things. Yeah and that's natural, I know already its going to be a c section, only this time the doctor isn't going to let the toxiema be an issue as the ultimate goal is to deliver between 36 and 38 weeks and as soon as he feels the baby is developed enough to deliver. He has no plans to wait and let the toxiema develop. Also as for the pain afterwards it won't be as bad as it will be planned this time rather than a omg we got to get this baby out of her or we could lose them both.

As for the woman's age who cares! If that woman is able to have a few years of joy and happiness with that child age shouldn't matter. I'm saying that as my own mother passed away when I was 17 she was only 39. My cousin died at the age of 29 from breast cancer and left behind two sons ages 4 and 2 at the time. I'm proud to say both of those boys are now in there early 20s and they love everything their Mom did for them in the short time they had with her. So do you really think this woman's age matters. She could still be there into the child's teen years or she could be gone next week.

It isn't fair for anyone to say she is going to be dead in 7 years unless of course you are GOD!
 01/19/2005 02:42:48 PM · #35
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
So do you really think this woman's age matters. She could still be there into the child's teen years or she could be gone next week.

It isn't fair for anyone to say she is going to be dead in 7 years unless of course you are GOD!


or a statistician.
 01/19/2005 02:48:40 PM · #36
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
So do you really think this woman's age matters. She could still be there into the child's teen years or she could be gone next week.

It isn't fair for anyone to say she is going to be dead in 7 years unless of course you are GOD!


or a statistician.


Statistics are only numbers...anyone know a man or woman over the age of 80? I do....statistics said they should have died already but hey they didn't stay alive this long believing in laying down and dying when stats said they should have.
 01/19/2005 03:05:06 PM · #37
Onesweetsin, are you talking to me? Because it doesn't sound like you even read what I wrote. lol

My point was that in an attempt to glorify their own position and intentions, the doctors aren't giving an accurate depiction of what happened. Your description of a high risk pregnancy is horrific and probably similar to what this lady is going through and yet they aren't willing to admit it, likely to avoid bad press.

Nodody said anything to demean what she is going through (or what you went through for that matter, as you seemed to take it personally). The debate is whether or not this sort of pregnancy should be allowed..and whether or not doctors have patient's best interest at heart..or just the desire to get their names in the paper.

01/19/2005 03:05:28 PM · #38
Statistics say that I'm just being a smartass in 4 out of every 7 posts.
 01/19/2005 03:44:36 PM · #39
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Onesweetsin, are you talking to me? Because it doesn't sound like you even read what I wrote. lol

My point was that in an attempt to glorify their own position and intentions, the doctors aren't giving an accurate depiction of what happened. Your description of a high risk pregnancy is horrific and probably similar to what this lady is going through and yet they aren't willing to admit it, likely to avoid bad press.

Nodody said anything to demean what she is going through (or what you went through for that matter, as you seemed to take it personally). The debate is whether or not this sort of pregnancy should be allowed..and whether or not doctors have patient's best interest at heart..or just the desire to get their names in the paper.


Yes I read what you wrote and this is what I was responding too...

Originally posted by GoldBerry:
The mother is still in intensive care and hasn't seen her baby girl yet who's a tiny little thing. Doc's say they're both doing well...but come on...if I were in intensive care and just starting to be able to "move around a bit" I wouldn't think I was doing too hot.


Yes there I READ what you wrote and again I will say you have no clue what a high risk pregnancy is. Intensive care is very common with high risk pregnancies. I avoided it simply because my body responded to the sudden removal of my son from it and my blood pressure went down instantly. But his first few weeks of life weren't enjoyable for us...its just a fact with high risk pregnancies. She's probably still in intensive care so they can monitor her closer than in a normal room, it doesn't mean she isn't doing too hot.
 01/19/2005 03:54:01 PM · #40
With one child dead during pregnancy, another still born, and the mother barely being able to move, I'd say there's at least some risk involved here. I don't believe for a second that her doctor's believed she'd have a healthy pregnancy. My beef would be with them, not with her.
 01/19/2005 04:24:31 PM · #41
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
With one child dead during pregnancy, another still born, and the mother barely being able to move, I'd say there's at least some risk involved here. I don't believe for a second that her doctor's believed she'd have a healthy pregnancy. My beef would be with them, not with her.


Go have a child and tell us if you can move without any pain.

Or have major surgery and see if you can move.

The doctors did it to create a miracle and make a name for themselves, yes I do agree to that fact. Same thing happened several years ago with the first test tube baby. Tell all those couples who conceive with invitro that the doctors shouldn't do that.

Childbirth is painful no doubt about it and at this woman's age she was a high risk. There is nothing unnatural about her barely being able to move. I think if the doctor felt she was healthy enough to do this then why should they denigh this woman the ultimate experience.
 01/19/2005 04:26:06 PM · #42
A science experiment resulting in dead babies...no problems here...
 01/19/2005 05:06:22 PM · #43
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Tell all those couples who conceive with invitro that the doctors shouldn't do that.


Thanks, I will!
 01/19/2005 05:12:45 PM · #44
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Tell all those couples who conceive with invitro that the doctors shouldn't do that.


Thanks, I will!


I am rather intrigued by this comment... Surely you don't mean to say that in-vitro fertilization should have been banned... or do you??
 01/19/2005 05:17:34 PM · #45
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
Tell all those couples who conceive with invitro that the doctors shouldn't do that.


Thanks, I will!


I am rather intrigued by this comment... Surely you don't mean to say that in-vitro fertilization should have been banned... or do you??


I hope you don't mean me...I am very infavor of in-vitro fertilization for anyone who can't conceive naturally...when I made that comment I was referring to the fact that in-vitro was a result of the test tube baby and scienctific advances. I'm sure in time to come there could be just as much good come out of this medical miracle as what came out of the first sucessful test tube.
 01/19/2005 05:17:59 PM · #46
oh my Lori, you are in Hot Water again I see...
 01/19/2005 05:23:29 PM · #47
Well I personnaly think its fine if this eman wanted to risk her own health to have the child, I think its her body therefore she should decide.

I still think the issue here is about the child though. I lost my mother at 2 years old. I doubt anyone here knows what that is like. I lost my father at 15. They both died naturally from cancer.

No one can understand how hard it is growing up with no parents unless you have been there.
 01/19/2005 05:25:17 PM · #48
Originally posted by melking23:
oh my Lori, you are in Hot Water again I see...


Hi Mel! lol nope, no hot water here! It's standard that personal views aren't usually accepted with open arms :-)

P.S. in general, no I don't agree with any scientific process to reproduce life. But I don't pretend to tell people how to live their lives so no....I probably won't be telling people not to have test tube babies.



Message edited by author 2005-01-19 17:28:07.
 01/19/2005 05:25:50 PM · #49
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
I hope you don't mean me...I am very infavor of in-vitro fertilization for anyone who can't conceive naturally...when I made that comment I was referring to the fact that in-vitro was a result of the test tube baby and scienctific advances. I'm sure in time to come there could be just as much good come out of this medical miracle as what came out of the first sucessful test tube.


Thank you ever so much for the clarification... I guess I must have missed one or two steps (darn laser eye surgery...) I was just curious that's all...
 01/19/2005 05:29:40 PM · #50
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by melking23:
oh my Lori, you are in Hot Water again I see...


Hi Mel! lol nope, no hot water here! It's standard that personal views aren't usually accepted with open arms :-)


Well I guess every one can have there own Personal View!
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