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05/24/2005 10:07:49 AM · #1 |
I wanted to express something
When i Joined DPC i was overwhelmed by the amount of flower pictures i would see in any challenge no matter what the subject was, this lead me to judge flowers quite critically and hard because of the easy subject and general appeal
How ever as time went by i got surprised how a simple thing like a flower (oh no, i sound like a hippy) could be photographed in many, very interesting, ways..
Now i still judge it low in the challenge/innovating side of things but i do appreciate them more
BTW in the lighting challenge there is a beautiful one!
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05/24/2005 10:11:28 AM · #2 |
Cats and birds, sunsets, dogs, people, nudies, there all common too.
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05/24/2005 10:18:55 AM · #3 |
true, how ever much more challenging than a flower
Ps Nudies not as often as i would like :)) |
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05/24/2005 10:57:57 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Pano:
true, how ever much more challenging than a flower |
A bit of a sweeping statement.
You have obviously never trekked for miles to find a particular wildflower in a particular setting, lying in the mud to get the right angle, waiting patiently in a freezing cold wind for the sun to pop out from behind a cloud and for the wind to drop so that the flower holds still, and then got soaked in a downpour on the long walk home.
Fun : ) |
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05/24/2005 11:03:11 AM · #5 |
Flowers...
Flowers are a base of 5 and seldom get more than that. If the photo is imperfect in it's focus or composition it will often drop to a 4 or even a 3 for me.
Another problem is the amass of flowers. So it is not uncommon for me to see several of the same time of shots. And if I've seen better than the following are likely to score lower.
Occaisionally, I'll see a flower that is very well done technically and i'll give it a 6. I have see on rare occaision seen such a well captured shot with a very interesting subject and actually given a 8+.
:-)
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05/24/2005 12:30:01 PM · #6 |
To be honest, I also do the same about both flower photos and sunsets.
I really need those to get me WOW bigtime to get a more then average score.
However, this last weekend I just learnt that even flowers can be shot differently, although in a challenge no one would ever believe this was not PS editing.
So please let me show off a bit with my flower, that was actually shot the way it looks in this photo.
This painted look isn't a PS editing. All I did in PS was a little extra boost on the contrast and the tiniest burn on the edges to make them be completely black instead of a very dark green.
So while voting, do remember that flowers can look different too.
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05/24/2005 01:28:16 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Flowers...
Flowers are a base of 5 and seldom get more than that. If the photo is imperfect in it's focus or composition it will often drop to a 4 or even a 3 for me.
Another problem is the amass of flowers. So it is not uncommon for me to see several of the same time of shots. And if I've seen better than the following are likely to score lower.
Occaisionally, I'll see a flower that is very well done technically and i'll give it a 6. I have see on rare occaision seen such a well captured shot with a very interesting subject and actually given a 8+.
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I balance you out then... almost any flower starts at 5 and I see many many in each challenge that are excellent and I score them appropriately (IMHO). Now wine or other glasses, clouds, waterfalls, cameras, computer gear - they are to me like flowers are to you. Isn't balance a wonderful thing? :-) (Jinjit - wonderful colors -- the detail on the petals is stunning) |
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05/24/2005 01:30:38 PM · #8 |
dont forget about the eggs in every challenge, i really hate eggs now!
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05/24/2005 01:36:11 PM · #9 |
A good photo is a good photo whatever the subject is period
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05/24/2005 01:38:55 PM · #10 |
we all liked this one!!
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05/24/2005 02:38:05 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
dont forget about the eggs in every challenge, i really hate eggs now! |
eggs?? |
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05/24/2005 02:41:28 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by Pano:
true, how ever much more challenging than a flower |
A bit of a sweeping statement.
You have obviously never trekked for miles to find a particular wildflower in a particular setting, lying in the mud to get the right angle, waiting patiently in a freezing cold wind for the sun to pop out from behind a cloud and for the wind to drop so that the flower holds still, and then got soaked in a downpour on the long walk home.
Fun : ) |
That that would be fun I don̢۪t argue it, how ever that is not the norm as almost all flower shots are done indoors under controlled circumstances, so in my opinion the do have to excel |
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05/24/2005 02:45:56 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
dont forget about the eggs in every challenge, i really hate eggs now! |
How about all the light bulbs in certain challenges?
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05/24/2005 03:15:35 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
we all liked this one!!
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And this was despite the tiny little fact that the same photo in a different lighting was submitted to not less then 3 challenges at the same time!!!
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05/24/2005 03:19:19 PM · #15 |
Hmmm...I was curious after reading your statement and I think you may be throwing a "blanket" statement out there that's not statistically accurate.
I just went thru and took a peek at the flower type shots in lighting and from what I could see it looks like 4 are taken indoors, 7 are taken outdoors, and 5 are difficult to determine in or out.
I'll admit my curiosity is driven by a possible interest in the upcoming 'Beauty' challenge...flowers were a possibility, and yes it would be outdoors if I was to find some 'Beautiful' flowers. ;^)
Originally posted by Pano:
...almost all flower shots are done indoors under controlled circumstances, so in my opinion the do have to excel |
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05/24/2005 04:00:38 PM · #16 |
| It is curious that I was just thinking of this very subject when I saw this thread. In the up coming challenge for beauty I was thinking of the men out numbering the women on this site. I too was thinking beauty and I must admit that a floral came to mind. Then knowing how the floral shots tend not to do well on this site I decided against it.Now...this is the thought that I have. This is a photographic challenge site, meaning IMO that technique, lighting, color balance, highlights and etc all are to be considered not just subject matter. Would you vote higher on a nude shot that is not executed as well, as you would a floral shot that is perfectly executed? To me a floral shots or a perfectly executed child shot is beautiful, but I would not vote lower on a nude just because I do not like the subject, I would vote on that shot on its photographic talent, how well it was executed and the overall abilities of the photographer to capture their subject to make the detail and what the photographer is trying to express be evident. I try to keep an open mind on over all execution of the image. |
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05/24/2005 04:03:03 PM · #17 |
Flower pictures ok, pictures of camera equipment is no "k" :P
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05/24/2005 04:35:36 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Flower pictures ok, pictures of camera equipment is no "k" :P |
I'm with you on this one. People here should be a little more considerate to those who can not afford those beauties... 
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05/24/2005 04:36:44 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Pano:
That that would be fun I don̢۪t argue it, how ever that is not the norm as almost all flower shots are done indoors under controlled circumstances, so in my opinion the do have to excel |
Wrong, but that's a good point to keep in mind when marking portraits.
:P |
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05/27/2005 05:25:40 PM · #20 |
Flowers are automatically beautiful and taking pics of them aren't that hard...however, the meaning behind the pic or the emotion trying to be conveyed is the tricky part.
Message edited by author 2005-06-01 16:31:10.
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05/28/2005 08:49:16 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by MikeOwens:
A good photo is a good photo whatever the subject is period |
I agree, everyone has there favorite things to photograph, or different ideas, I think the photo should be rated as if it is a one of a kind as they all are different in someway, an excellent flower photo should not be voted down just because it is a flower. |
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05/28/2005 08:59:10 AM · #22 |
Reminds me. My very first DPC entry was a flower.
What can I say? My Nikon Coolpix 4500 was flower-friendly. Now that I have a D70, my eyes became people-friendly. The equipment makes a lot of difference. A determining factor, I must say. Now, I am thinking about lenses.
Manny |
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05/28/2005 09:35:55 AM · #23 |
This thread has spawned typical DPC debate - some like flowers as a photography subject, some don't.
I think some of the dissent stems from the fact that flowers are primarily static - they don't move around (much). This is different from trying to shoot a moving subject like people (or snakes!).
Other static items could include a beautiful rock formation at the beach, a cool looking fencerow, boats anchored in a harbor, or an interesting old barn.
Static items, like dynamic ones, can be a snapshot or a photograph. What does that rock formation look like at 1:00 in the afternoon? How about that barn with an early morning glow from a warming sun?
That tulip flower will be closed in the early morning hours, yet open to the sun later in the day - perhaps it will have morning dew or last nights rain making it wet at sunrise yet be dry and show dusty details by the time the sun starts to set.
A good photograph will be just that, a good photograph - regardless of the subject. The keys of photography will always prevail in the end - composition, lighting, focus, DOF, contrast, grain, etc...
I personally didn't care for Pedro's winning photo 'Disturbed' in the 'Moods' challenge - as subject matter - but it is a great photograph worthy of the accolades it generated. So...in the end, photograph what you will, but photograph it well if you want it to succeed.
Different strokes for different folks...
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05/28/2005 09:53:37 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I think some of the dissent stems from the fact that flowers are primarily static - they don't move around (much). This is different from trying to shoot a moving subject like people (or snakes!). |
I refer you to my earlier post, heheh. I live where there seems to be a permanent wind and the flowers are constantly dancing.
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Different strokes for different folks... |
... whatever makes you happy.
Couldn't agree more. |
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05/28/2005 10:42:21 AM · #25 |
Thus the reason for my quote below, you can̢۪t appeal to the mass because there is not mass when it comes to voting. People are going to vote the way the want, not that there is anything wrong with that. If I take a picture of a flower (or whatever it may be) and put it into a challenge and I receive 1,2, and 3̢۪s, so be it. After all photography should delight the soul of the photographer first. That is why it̢۪s a fun and emotional hobby of mine. It would be too much work and boring if I had to just appeal to everyone else̢۪s eye.
Just my thoughts.
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