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05/25/2005 04:17:17 PM · #26 |
I have to agree with the general opinion here. And I also have a hard time "seeing" the apple. YES I know it's an apple because the challenge is apple but the perspective and water have made it so distorted, it's hard to see.
Honestly, in the winning shot, I love the colors, perspective, clarity and water trail. Things you photo does not possess. |
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05/25/2005 04:24:52 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by scuds:
I can take on the fact that my picture didn't do so well, as most of my pics do LoL, I just can't get the "I don't see an apple" kind of comment! If it was inserted into another type of challenge, I would totally agree with such comment...... |
You are comparing the Winning shot to yours as if the contest was "Apple Meets Water" Remember just because he won doesn't mean that every other shot like it should win. Its not the subject mater that surrounds the apple that makes it win. It is the exact point that it is an apple and that it is clearly in sight and in focus - in which you shot doesn't show this.
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05/25/2005 04:26:16 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by bledford:
Originally posted by scuds:
I can take on the fact that my picture didn't do so well, as most of my pics do LoL, I just can't get the "I don't see an apple" kind of comment! If it was inserted into another type of challenge, I would totally agree with such comment...... |
And yet, it just doesn't look like an apple. Nor is it in focus. That's why it scored so low...it's just a little unclear what it is at first or second glance. |
Check the quote I use as a signature! It seems to me that some ppl here are not using theirs!!!! I could have gone for the trivial kind of shot, and I do have some other splash shots from the same series in which the apple IS an apple, not a feather as suggested! but they weren't that appealing to me, cz it was just the "usual" type of shot. Just another apple!
Originally posted by RonBeam:
Your decision now, Scuds. You can continue to defend your shot, or take the great instructional comments, made here honestly and willingly by so many people, and use those comments to help make yourself a better photographer. We are all in this world to learn. |
I'm not trying do defend or make a point. And I did, and still do, learn from the comments made here! Cz that's what is great about this place! But it also doesn't mean I HAVE to take the comments as the only truth!
Well, no point has been made, and it won't, for sure! To me, this is all over....
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05/25/2005 04:30:13 PM · #29 |
me too...
I had the same deal and just wanted your thoughts or opinions as to why one is better than the other???
Place: 292 out of 379
Avg (all users): 4.759
Avg (commenters): 5.500
Avg (camera): 4.781
Avg (no camera): 3.400
Views since voting: 2
Views during voting: 391
Votes: 311
Comments: 6
Place: 262 out of 379
Avg (all users): 4.865
Avg (commenters): 4.333
Avg (camera): 4.880
Avg (no camera): 3.333
Views since voting: 3
Views during voting: 399
Votes: 311
Comments: 3
Favorites: 1 (view)
any comments are appreciated :0) |
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05/25/2005 04:32:53 PM · #30 |
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05/25/2005 04:37:32 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by dpakoh:
You are comparing the Winning shot to yours as if the contest was "Apple Meets Water" Remember just because he won doesn't mean that every other shot like it should win. Its not the subject mater that surrounds the apple that makes it win. It is the exact point that it is an apple and that it is clearly in sight and in focus - in which you shot doesn't show this. |
No no no no no no. I'm not comparing them. I'm just trying to figure out what is SO wrong to make them so far away from each other on the rank! I also think the winner's shot is very good! I just don't think mine is so out of focus, as stated, and also it's doesn't have a feather shape, to be placed that far away from it hehehe! got it?
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05/25/2005 04:38:28 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Check the quote I use as a signature! It seems to me that some ppl here are not using theirs!!!! I could have gone for the trivial kind of shot, and I do have some other splash shots from the same series in which the apple IS an apple, not a feather as suggested! but they weren't that appealing to me, cz it was just the "usual" type of shot. Just another apple!
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The thing is, people want to use their imaginations (or have others use theirs) in coming up with ways to creatively stage a photo of an apple. They don't want to use their imaginations in the actual determination of whether or not it's an apple, or whatever the challenge subject is. Voters look for the main impact of the photo to be the challenge topic. If you really have to reach to decide whether or not it's a photo of the topic, it loses that impact. |
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05/25/2005 04:40:47 PM · #33 |
the one with the lower score has droplets on the background, it's unclean, and the focus isn't good enough, the apple is soft around the edges, the lighting is better than in the other image.
the other one has a perfectly clean background, the edges are pinsharp, but the shadow looks bad, and there is a burnt spot on the apple.
I think it's the dirty background that makes it score lower, IMHO ;)
and back to the images in the first post..
the reason the ribbon winner got the ribbon.. it's an Icelander.. both 1st and 3rd place :P
no other reason needed... but both images are awsome, yours just wasn't a ribbon winner :) |
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05/25/2005 04:41:06 PM · #34 |
Scuds, baby..... we all know that you had a great idea.
We can see that yur attempt was good enough to subscribe to the theme of the challenge. I like yourself am not a ribbon contendor.
But booboola....its got to end sometime. We can't keep dwelling on what just happened, and what is not going to be.
We have got to keep moving forward, stop looking back. Everytime we keep looking back, our next challenge in this site will lose out from lack of imagination, and history will ultimately repeat.
Scud baaabbbbyyy....(cigar in mouth).....you have got to know...(cleaning weapon)......we all gave our best comments......(loading weapon)......you gave your best shot.....(cocking weapon).....But yours was not good enough.
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05/25/2005 04:41:49 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Well, no point has been made, and it won't, for sure! To me, this is all over.... |
Umm, you asked "why?" and several people answered "why." Whether or not you agree with it is moot.
My opinion. I did not vote in this challenge, but if asked to give these two shots scores, or choose the better, I probably would have ranked them as the voters did.
While both shots show motion, the first gives more of a sense of "movement" through the frame. Yours is a capture of one instant, to me.
Compositionally, the winner uses the rule of thirds effectively. Granted that does not guarantee a winner, but in this instance it gives the picture a feeling of visual stability that yours does not. Yours is indeed also on a "third" line, but the winner achieves some balance with the reflection at the top of the picture.
Also, the winner has distinct elements of apple, water, and light, whereas yours is a "mixture" of water and apple. While one may not necessarily be "better," the first is more comfortable to look at.
Technically speaking, the focus on the apple in the winning shot is sharp and crisp (again, not necessary in a good picture, but it helps in this one), whereas yours, while the apple may be "in" focus, the water obscures it somewhat.
I guess what it boils down to is that both of you had a good idea. The winner simply managed to execute it in a more eye-pleasing manner.
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05/25/2005 04:50:13 PM · #36 |
they are similar and didnt score too far apart. Possible reasons for the one that scored higher scoring higher are better lighting (daylight vs tungsten) giving a better white balance, nicer colors at least imo, and more interesting view angle. However although the image quality (i.e. noise) is better in the one that scored lower, the blotches in the blue arent helping and the reflection of something or the other on the apple is a minus as well.
Message edited by author 2005-05-25 16:51:01.
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05/25/2005 04:57:59 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by karmat:
I guess what it boils down to is that both of you had a good idea. The winner simply managed to execute it in a more eye-pleasing manner. |
there's somebody's signature, that quotes:
"my experience in DPC is that EYE CANDY dominates".
It's now as clear a water to me!
can we get done with this so I move on to the other challenge and give you all a beating? LoL
I'm not mad and stuff, I just wanted some explanation on y it happened, and you gave me. Even if I don't accept it 100%. It's all cool! Love all, peace.....
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05/26/2005 06:31:11 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by scuds:
Wait up, do you really believe it was some sort of "water wall" and I threw the apple at it, from the side? that's what your message suggests to me. The apple is not clear, maybe, cz of the refraction, reflection or watever"ction". But, would I send a picture of a bunch of peas, for an "apple" challenge? No.... A tennis ball? got the idea...
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I never suggested anything like it was a water wall or whatever. I said the perspective. In your shot you are shooting, it appears, from the top, so you see a lot of the distortion from the splash itself. In the other shot it is from the side so the disruption of the surface is not a factor allowing the apple to be crisp in the shot.
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05/26/2005 07:54:06 PM · #39 |
The difference is huge IMO!
Message edited by author 2005-05-26 19:54:31. |
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05/26/2005 07:57:09 PM · #40 |
| I think the problem was that yours didn't really look like an apple: it sort of looks like an onion cut into sections. It isn't really clear in the shot, that's probably what hurt you in the ratings... |
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