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07/01/2005 11:29:30 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by stringofpearls:
Ouch. That's a little spiteful, isn't it?!
Close minded no, phobic yes... Thanks for adding to the trauma. Didn't know expressing my opinion would lead to such 'venom.'
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Venom??? Surely you jest. The man was trying to be funny. You really need to take the time to find the smiley faces and the like in these threads, or you will feel hurt quite often I fear.
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07/02/2005 12:45:42 AM · #127 |
Originally posted by totaldis:
it seems like people have confused 'obsolete' with 'old and broken' |
My reaction exactly. Old isn't necessarily obsolete. Neither is broken. There are a few very good images, but it seems many missed the spirit of the challenge. |
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07/02/2005 01:13:38 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
Originally posted by totaldis:
it seems like people have confused 'obsolete' with 'old and broken' |
My reaction exactly. Old isn't necessarily obsolete. Neither is broken. There are a few very good images, but it seems many missed the spirit of the challenge. |
To quote the General :From the challenge description:
Details: Take a picture of something that has outlived its usefulness. It could be old technology, broken, discarded, outgrown, forgotten - anything. Exception: people (alive or dead) are not to be the main subject.
People who photographed something old or broken are following instructions.
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07/02/2005 01:19:15 AM · #129 |
Originally posted by amber:
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
Originally posted by totaldis:
it seems like people have confused 'obsolete' with 'old and broken' |
My reaction exactly. Old isn't necessarily obsolete. Neither is broken. There are a few very good images, but it seems many missed the spirit of the challenge. |
To quote the General :From the challenge description:
Details: Take a picture of something that has outlived its usefulness. It could be old technology, broken, discarded, outgrown, forgotten - anything. Exception: people (alive or dead) are not to be the main subject.
People who photographed something old or broken are following instructions. |
I understand your point of view and don't disagree with it. But the word obsolete carries a meaning in and of itself ... which conflicts a bit with the challenge description. As I vote on these images (and boy oh boy there are a lot of them) simply old or broken won't do it for me. |
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07/02/2005 01:22:18 AM · #130 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
I understand your point of view and don't disagree with it. But the word obsolete carries a meaning in and of itself ... which conflicts a bit with the challenge description. As I vote on these images (and boy oh boy there are a lot of them) simply old or broken won't do it for me. |
Perhaps the reason the even is an additional description is to explain exactly how the proposer of the challenge topic wants you to expand on the dictionary definition -- if there wasn't an intent to stretch the boundaries of the traditional definition the additional challenge details would be omitted.
That is, this is the definition the site wants you to use for this challenge.
Message edited by author 2005-07-02 01:23:49. |
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07/02/2005 01:29:58 AM · #131 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
I understand your point of view and don't disagree with it. But the word obsolete carries a meaning in and of itself ... which conflicts a bit with the challenge description. As I vote on these images (and boy oh boy there are a lot of them) simply old or broken won't do it for me. |
Perhaps the reason the even is an additional description is to explain exactly how the proposer of the challenge topic wants you to expand on the dictionary definition -- if there wasn't an intent to stretch the boundaries of the traditional definition the additional challenge details would be omitted.
That is, this is the definition the site wants you to use for this challenge. |
Respectfully, I understand your point, but don't fully agree with it. Let's not remake the fundamental meaning of language. Don't give me a "green" challenge and modify it with a cyan-ish shade of yellow or blue.
And as an aside, I am getting really tired of broken down tractors. |
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07/02/2005 03:48:41 AM · #132 |
Well... I love broken down tractors. I love rust and weeds and broken windows and cracked cement. I love dust and damaged wood and rotting vegetables.
I gave nine 10's in this challenge, and I still may bump a couple up on a second glance through. I think It's great that we don't all have the same tastes. I enjoyed voting on these pictures.
Message edited by author 2005-07-02 12:05:36. |
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07/02/2005 04:14:12 AM · #133 |
| I chose to base my entry on the wording "outlived it's usefullness". Or what I thought had at least. I think a lot of people have confused obsolete (outdated,out-of-date) with something else. But it's all in the eye of the beholder. |
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07/02/2005 06:03:03 AM · #134 |
Originally posted by inspir8tion:
Originally posted by kpriest:
Originally posted by inspir8tion:
Personally, I LOVED the "Love the title" - and of course, did not like "Hate the title". Just to be clear. And also to illustrate that 2 different people could feel exactly opposite about the same thing. That's all I was saying. I find it interesting. |
I see. I didn't realize both those comments were made on the same entry. That is a little unusual for the title, but not for a photo. Although if your title contains a hot-button type message, you will get the love-hate comments. Thanks for clarification. |
no problem ;) |
no problem with me either, I got those comments on the same entry too. I don't mind, I was merely stating that voters have different views, what seems boring to one, is interesting to another. That's all.
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07/02/2005 06:32:15 AM · #135 |
Where are these 'definitions' of the word obsolete from?
obsolete (adj.)
1. No longer in use
2. Outmoded in design, style, or construction
3. Biology Vestigial or imperfectly developed, especially in comparison with other individuals or related species; not clearly marked or seen; indistinct. Used of an organ or other part of an animal or plant.
based on the dictionary definition above look at the challenge description.
Take a picture of something that has outlived its usefulness. It could be old technology, broken, discarded, outgrown, forgotten - anything. Exception: people (alive or dead) are not to be the main subject.
'outlived its usefulness' fits with #1
'old technology' fits #2
'broken, discarded, outgrown, forgotten' all fit #1
I really don't see what the problem is TBH. There were really only a handfull of entries which missed the mark, and some of those could be argued for (eg cats :P ) |
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07/02/2005 06:58:22 AM · #136 |
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Digital Quixote:
I understand your point of view and don't disagree with it. But the word obsolete carries a meaning in and of itself ... which conflicts a bit with the challenge description. As I vote on these images (and boy oh boy there are a lot of them) simply old or broken won't do it for me. |
Perhaps the reason the even is an additional description is to explain exactly how the proposer of the challenge topic wants you to expand on the dictionary definition -- if there wasn't an intent to stretch the boundaries of the traditional definition the additional challenge details would be omitted.
That is, this is the definition the site wants you to use for this challenge. |
Respectfully, I understand your point, but don't fully agree with it. Let's not remake the fundamental meaning of language. Don't give me a "green" challenge and modify it with a cyan-ish shade of yellow or blue.
And as an aside, I am getting really tired of broken down tractors. |
I think you go wrong here in your comparison. You compare apples with pears. A broken object outlived its usefullness and 'outliving its usefulness' is a definition of obsolete.
The challenge didn't read OBSOLETE, period, it explained extendedly the items that should be excepted as obsolete too.
You're picking just one word out of the whole description to base your voting on and that's rather unfair.
You say: don't give me cyan-ish if the challenge reads 'green'. You're right there, but if the challenge reads 'give me green, but anything cyan-ish is ok too' and you choose only the green to fit the challenge, then you're dead wrong in my opinion.
And that's what the obsolete challenge said: " GIVE ME OBSOLETE, BUT IF IT'S OLD TECHNOLOGY, BROKEN, DISREGARDED, OUTGROWN, FORGOTTEN, IT IS OK TOO!!!!
If I brake a wine glass, that same glass turns into an obsolete item instantly, it can't be used anymore, 'it outlived it's usefulness', 'it is broken and therefor disregarded and will be forgotten too. Therefor almost everybody did meet the challenge. How boring, interesting or creatively they showed their items to the voters is the main thing we should vote on.
And broken down tractors, left out in the field, are obsolete items and whether you like them or not, those people did meet the challenge and don't deserve to be voted low on just for the fact that they choosed them as a subject for their entry.
Message edited by author 2005-07-02 07:01:28.
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07/02/2005 08:57:21 AM · #137 |
I have to agree with Titia and the others speaking of the broader "meaning" of the obsolete challenge. That is just a one word descpription, which is elaborated on, so as to make the challenge more interesting (in my opinion). We get way too caught up in the semantics when we should open up and use the challenge delineation, not what we perceive as the meaning.
Aren't all challenges subject to artistic license? This is after all an expressive media. Not a steadfast "all or nothing" type arena.
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07/02/2005 03:54:26 PM · #138 |
| I am getting so sick and tired of people telling me that my picture just "isn't in the spirit of the challenge"! Why can't people just vote on the quality of the pictures and if then I deserve a low score then fine, but to give me a one because you don't think it fits the challenge is wrong. My picture is of something that ISN'T BEING USED ANYMORE for it's original purpose and I can't figure out why people can't see that!!! UUGGGG!!! This is only my third picture to post and it may be my last.... |
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07/02/2005 04:10:38 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by tmorninglory96:
I am getting so sick and tired of people telling me that my picture just "isn't in the spirit of the challenge"! Why can't people just vote on the quality of the pictures and if then I deserve a low score then fine, but to give me a one because you don't think it fits the challenge is wrong. My picture is of something that ISN'T BEING USED ANYMORE for it's original purpose and I can't figure out why people can't see that!!! UUGGGG!!! This is only my third picture to post and it may be my last.... |
Oh, hang in there Tracie! Believe me, you aren't the first one to feel that way, and neither was I a few months back when I started DPC. But I hope you'll stick with it, and don't take the comments too seriously. What do they know, anyway? :) |
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07/02/2005 04:14:56 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
Is it just me? I thought overall, they were boring and overexposed. Have I become cynical? I didn't rate a single one 10. I found a few 9's and 8's, but overall... blah.
Judy |
Uh oh, Judy, apparently you are way out of sync with the DPC voting majority... you commented on my entry early on, seemed to like it, too ("Great!", you said), and it's really struggling at 4.9522! I think that we need more voters with your keen eye for quality and appreciation for the slightly offbeat, heh heh!
(No but seriously, I knew when I entered my shot that it would do poorly, but for whatever reason I just wanted to enter it anyway. Glad you liked it, though. And thanks for the comment!) |
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07/02/2005 04:17:54 PM · #141 |
| I would love to get some comments on things I can do to make my picture better. That is what I started on this for, I find myself with the circle challenge not thinking of something artistic to photograph, but the question most on my mind is " will I get bashed for not fitting the challenge" I already have a pic for it but kinda scared to put it up, I guess you would say it is outside the box. I'm gonna stay for a while. I haven't bought a membership yet. Still just testing out the waters. There is alot of nice people here, and then there are others!! |
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07/02/2005 04:21:24 PM · #142 |
This is actually me that wrote this!! I didn't realize that I was on my sisters computer until after I clicked the post button, I realized that I was on her name!!!
Originally posted by LesleyNelson:
I would love to get some comments on things I can do to make my picture better. That is what I started on this for, I find myself with the circle challenge not thinking of something artistic to photograph, but the question most on my mind is " will I get bashed for not fitting the challenge" I already have a pic for it but kinda scared to put it up, I guess you would say it is outside the box. I'm gonna stay for a while. I haven't bought a membership yet. Still just testing out the waters. There is alot of nice people here, and then there are others!! |
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07/02/2005 04:24:02 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by tmorninglory96:
I am getting so sick and tired of people telling me that my picture just "isn't in the spirit of the challenge"! Why can't people just vote on the quality of the pictures and if then I deserve a low score then fine, but to give me a one because you don't think it fits the challenge is wrong. My picture is of something that ISN'T BEING USED ANYMORE for it's original purpose and I can't figure out why people can't see that!!! UUGGGG!!! This is only my third picture to post and it may be my last.... |
I know it's really HARD to have a picture rated down because the viewer doesn't see in it what YOU saw. And I know it's EASY to get angry and disappointed and let's face it, PISSED!
I hope you stick with it. We've all had our share of hurtful comments. It's taken me a long time to learn how to deal with them. And yes, even now, I still allow them to ruin the "fun" I'm having getting my pictures into the contest.
For what it's worth, I think you've done really well. I gave your "Darkness Within" picture one of my highest ratings. I know what goes into setting up a shot... it's a whole different cat from walking along and stumbling unto the perfect setup. And then to have it "bomb" along with negative comments can really shake you up.
Again, I hope you don't go away.
Remember, there's always the NEXT challenge :)
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07/02/2005 04:27:25 PM · #144 |
funny, i have lots of comments and many seem to like the picture. But I am also struggling below a 4.8 most of the time. Oh well the comments have been a added plus...
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07/02/2005 04:29:01 PM · #145 |
Well that explains it! I was about to give you/her some advice about hanging in there, but when I clicked on her profile I saw that she has entered more challenges than I have. Since your sister has been on here awhile, you don't need my advice or encouragement anyways, I guess.... just hope you'll stay around a bit longer. Don't take hurtful comments to heart, there may even be something to learn from them, too.
Originally posted by tmorninglory96:
This is actually me that wrote this!! I didn't realize that I was on my sisters computer until after I clicked the post button, I realized that I was on her name!!!
Originally posted by LesleyNelson:
I would love to get some comments on things I can do to make my picture better. That is what I started on this for, I find myself with the circle challenge not thinking of something artistic to photograph, but the question most on my mind is " will I get bashed for not fitting the challenge" I already have a pic for it but kinda scared to put it up, I guess you would say it is outside the box. I'm gonna stay for a while. I haven't bought a membership yet. Still just testing out the waters. There is alot of nice people here, and then there are others!! |
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07/02/2005 04:52:53 PM · #146 |
I am sorry you feel this way. I get angry though at most of the people like you who think your doing so bad. I've entered about 7 challenges and have yet to break a 5. I get no comments, but I am not complaining. If anyone should call it a day and admit defeat it should be me, but I stay in there anyway. Call me stupid.Originally posted by tmorninglory96:
I am getting so sick and tired of people telling me that my picture just "isn't in the spirit of the challenge"! Why can't people just vote on the quality of the pictures and if then I deserve a low score then fine, but to give me a one because you don't think it fits the challenge is wrong. My picture is of something that ISN'T BEING USED ANYMORE for it's original purpose and I can't figure out why people can't see that!!! UUGGGG!!! This is only my third picture to post and it may be my last.... |
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07/02/2005 04:58:49 PM · #147 |
Did you see my superman photo? LOL!
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
I am sorry you feel this way. I get angry though at most of the people like you who think your doing so bad. I've entered about 7 challenges and have yet to break a 5. I get no comments, but I am not complaining. If anyone should call it a day and admit defeat it should be me, but I stay in there anyway. Call me stupid.Originally posted by tmorninglory96:
I am getting so sick and tired of people telling me that my picture just "isn't in the spirit of the challenge"! Why can't people just vote on the quality of the pictures and if then I deserve a low score then fine, but to give me a one because you don't think it fits the challenge is wrong. My picture is of something that ISN'T BEING USED ANYMORE for it's original purpose and I can't figure out why people can't see that!!! UUGGGG!!! This is only my third picture to post and it may be my last.... |
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07/02/2005 05:53:40 PM · #148 |
| Your superman sucked lol shoulda went with Big John |
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07/02/2005 05:58:13 PM · #149 |
Originally posted by tmorninglory96:
Did you see my superman photo? LOL!
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Did not see that one but your entry, "Insanity...", I commented on in the darkness challenge still gives me nightmares! You did a great job with that one.
Message edited by author 2005-07-02 17:58:34.
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07/02/2005 06:05:42 PM · #150 |
Originally posted by ladymonarda:
I am sorry you feel this way. I get angry though at most of the people like you who think your doing so bad. I've entered about 7 challenges and have yet to break a 5. I get no comments, but I am not complaining. If anyone should call it a day and admit defeat it should be me, but I stay in there anyway. Call me stupid |
Don't give up. Your scores do not show it yet, but you will do well. I can see it in your entries. Just keep trying.
Please, if you or anyone else wants advice or anything like that and are willing to show an image to me before submitting it I would be glad to review it for you and make suggestions for improvement, if needed.
I like photography and it saddens me to think that someone might consider backing off from it just because of scores.
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