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Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

07/14/2005 06:59:56 PM · #1

I was reading another thread and saw this, but I don't want to obscure the original thread (about one picture in particular).

I use acdsee to transfer every image off my cards - is this illegal if called on to validate? WOW that would be a huge bummer. There's no way I'm transferring directly from card to folders, so that would rule out me entering pretty much ever unless I shot one shot specifically for a challenge...that would suck.

Does ACDSee change exif or only if you do something to it? What if auto rotate isn't on, etc? Wow, this could suck.

Nitin

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/14/2005 07:04:13 PM · #2

Related question: If I use a tool which renames files when transferring from CF card to hard drive, would it modify the EXIF ?

specifically, i'm referring to windows XP camera and scanner wizard.

nomad469

Nikon D700

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED

07/14/2005 07:12:26 PM · #3

As far as I know you should move the files with a CF to disc transfer ... that is the only way to be sure that you have unmodified files.

Utilities like ACDsee and Elements WILL tag the file ... so they are no longer the "original"

I could be wrong though

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/14/2005 07:22:20 PM · #4

I see ACDSee listed in my EXIF data when I use ACDSee to resize my images. But I don't see it listed in any of the images that have simply been "acquired" via ACDSee.

I think you're safe.

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/14/2005 07:25:19 PM · #5

Originally posted by mavrik:

What if auto rotate isn't on, etc?

I take it back... I use auto-rotate and the images that have been rotated DO have ACDSee listed in the EXIF data. The ones that haven't been rotated do not mention ACDSee at all.

So I guess this is a question for the SC. If the image has been aquired via ACDSee and auto-rotated (and thus the EXIF now says ACDSee in the Software field of the EXIF data), does the file still count as an "original"?

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 19:25:43.

mrorange002

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

07/14/2005 07:26:19 PM · #6

I use iView Media Pro and have the same issues. When I download, I have the option to add Copyright, source, etc... during the download, and use it every time as this saves me a lot of work in the long run.

If I do this in a challenge and have to show my EXIF data, it will appear altered.

what gives?

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

07/14/2005 07:29:55 PM · #7

Why not just transfer them without ACDSee? I can't see that just because you can't use ACDC you wouldn't enter challenges when there are numerous ways to avoid it. What advantage is there to using ACDC anyway?

If you see ACDSee in the exif data then it is not original, obviously, since the EXIF has been modifed.
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If you are using XP why not use PTP? That does not modify anything unless you tell it to.

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 19:30:14.

gbautista87

Nikon D70

07/14/2005 07:34:50 PM · #8

If I open and close (don't save) a raw image in Photoshop, does it put that in the exif data?

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

07/14/2005 07:35:46 PM · #9

Originally posted by Alienyst:

Why not just transfer them without ACDSee? What advantage is there to using ACDC anyway?

Because I download about 2500 pictures a week. I like auto-rotate, I like to rename files automatically as they download and I hate "img34324_3.jpg" as my filenames. It means nothing. ACDSee is also the first place I go with the pictures once they are downloaded because it's the best culling/delete program. In PS, you can open a file, close the file, no PS info. If this isn't the case with ACDSee, that most sucks. I don't enter much - it's not a huge loss if I don't enter the other 5 times a year...I was just curious.

M

dwterry

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

07/14/2005 07:50:47 PM · #10

Originally posted by mavrik:

Ditto to everything there.

With ACDSee the images are aquired, named and placed where I want them to be quickly and automatically.

However, this "issue" of ACDSee touching files matters less to me now that it would have. Earlier this year I switched to shooting mostly Raw. ACDSee doesn't touch raw files (I mean, beyond simply copying them for me). The only bad thing is... when it comes to raw files, ACDSee is downright slow. All other times it's blazingly fast.

07/14/2005 09:30:33 PM · #11

SC?

07/14/2005 09:45:23 PM · #12

Originally posted by autobahn123:

If I open and close (don't save) a raw image in Photoshop, does it put that in the exif data?

No.

07/14/2005 09:46:59 PM · #13

Originally posted by mavrik:

Originally posted by Alienyst:
Why not just transfer them without ACDSee? What advantage is there to using ACDC anyway?

Because I download about 2500 pictures a week. I like auto-rotate, I like to rename files automatically as they download and I hate "img34324_3.jpg" as my filenames. It means nothing. ACDSee is also the first place I go with the pictures once they are downloaded because it's the best culling/delete program. In PS, you can open a file, close the file, no PS info. If this isn't the case with ACDSee, that most sucks. I don't enter much - it's not a huge loss if I don't enter the other 5 times a year...I was just curious.

M

Well I doubt you shoot 2500 images for a challenge. The relatively low number of images that are challenge specific seems to me would not make a difference.

07/14/2005 09:55:29 PM · #14

It just won't happen that I transfer 2400 with ACDSee and 100 for DPC...

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

07/14/2005 10:01:34 PM · #15

Sounds like a cop out and laziness...sorry. If you wanted to do it you could. But since you won't, just seems lazy. I am sure I will get slammed for this opinion too, but it is my opinion. People make excuses for things all the time and all it boils down to is laziness most of the time. If you wanted to or cared enough you would.

And for the record, lately I have been shooting about 500 pics a day and only maybe 50 of those for a challenge and I take extreme care to handle the potential challenge shots differently.

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 22:18:35.

coolhar

07/14/2005 10:12:03 PM · #16

Everybody has ther own priorities. Sometimes I shoot with a challenge in mind. Sometimes I don't.

07/14/2005 10:15:41 PM · #17

Why do we bother posting links to workflow if our workflow is going to be TOTALLY different for DPC than for the rest of "real life?" I use my workflow to speed up the boring parts and let me focus on the exciting parts. Why should that change because someone REALIZED that acdsee may add its name to your original exif?

I don't enter, it's not laziness or a cop out. I'm trying to get the answer before I DO try to enter again and just get DQ'd.

Anyways, the point is, a LOT of people use ACDSee for capture - and that may be out. I don't know that there's a definitive ruling on this yet - or whether ACDSee adds to exif if you don't rotate or what...I'm assuming on rename it does anyways.

M

07/14/2005 10:22:47 PM · #18

If a lot of people use it how come this is the first time it has come up in the forums as a problem ( referring to the 3 threads that address this specifically in the last week)?

Hmm...

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 22:23:36.

07/14/2005 10:27:31 PM · #19

Originally posted by Alienyst:

If a lot of people use it how come this is the first time it has come up in the forums as a problem ( referring to the 3 threads that address this specifically in the last week)?

Hmm...

LOL You want me to answer that? A lot of people use ACDSee - yes. Why has it come up recently? Because like I said, when you open a shot in PS, if you don't save it in PS, it doesn't change the exif. We have ALL learned in the last week or so that if you download into ACDSee, it changes the exif. I didn't know that a week ago. I have been using ACDSee much longer than that...so why has it come up? It's topical? What's the issue? Why do you care how I download? I could use Microsoft's download thing - who knows what OTHER ways you can change exif unwittingly.

M

07/14/2005 10:30:55 PM · #20

Originally posted by Alienyst:

If a lot of people use it ...

It was also PC Mag's top photo management software two years out of three. PC Mag: "ACDSee is serious software for the serious photographer." woa.

... I could probably find more. But why??????

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 22:32:31.

07/14/2005 10:33:27 PM · #21

If I send someone on SC a file from ACDSee just acquired, could someone check it?

07/14/2005 10:34:45 PM · #22

Maybe, perhaps, people who are aware of the software they use and what it does to their images take the time to insure their challenge submissions are safe from undue scrutiny or totally avoidable DQ's. I don't know anyone who uses ACDSee personally. I have never used it. In fact I think I downloaded a version once and found it to be less than adequate. You cannot go by reviews - lots of times those are 'paid for.' I don't care how you download. I don't find it topical. There are many ways to edit EXIF data, but if you have any integrity or moral sensibilities, it would never cross your mind to alter it.

Message edited by author 2005-07-14 22:37:38.