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08/12/2005 10:23:58 AM · #1 |
Everytime I enter a challenge I try real hard to hit the theme dead-on. Sometimes my vision for the theme may not be someone elses, but I thought it was. Is that a reason to give me a low score. I have thought about this a lot. There are always pictures in the challenges that I FEEL do not meet the theme too. So from now on, I am not going to vote at all on the entries that I feel do not meet the challenge. I would rather do that than give them a low score. I would rather other voters to do the same for me. If my picture sucks, give me a low score-but that should be the only reason I get a low score. I think that the scores should reflect the quality of the work, not relativity to a theme.
Message edited by author 2005-08-12 10:24:49. |
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08/12/2005 10:27:46 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by mandyturner:
I think that the scores should reflect the quality of the work, not relativity to a theme. |
isn't relativity to a theme the entire point of this kind of topic-based challenge? otherwise, it's just a free study every week. |
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08/12/2005 10:28:38 AM · #3 |
I think the problem here is the "thinking" part. When you "think" someone else is gonna like it you've already nailed it on the head and the answer is don't think.
You do some very good work and don't let people tell you differently. On that note I used to color outside the lines and was told that it was very good so what do I know.
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08/12/2005 10:30:08 AM · #4 |
From the challenge rules, under the section on voting:
"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."
Otherwise, what's the point?
You can always put a photo in the forums under "Individual Photograph Discussion" if you don't wish your image to be compared within the context of a challenge. |
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08/12/2005 10:30:21 AM · #5 |
I undertsand what you mean.
The way I see this, a challenge is like a race... if you started running in the oposite direction when the gun went off... I'm pretty sure you'd finish dead last. Meeting the challenge is probably the one most important rule of a challenge. Challenges are also about "mass apeal and mass communication" while it may be clear to a person what the intent of his/her submission is... it may not be to others...and this is where all the nuance of "mass apeal" comes into play.
That's why images of children with over dodged eyes always get high-scores.
If you like to think and create stuff which is "outside the box" you should reconsider the need to have your stuff voted upon,
"art explained is art in vain" (andy worhol) |
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08/12/2005 10:30:23 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by mandyturner:
I think that the scores should reflect the quality of the work, not relativity to a theme. |
Unfortunately, the rules do not agree with you.
"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."
Edit: Or like KaDi said!
Message edited by author 2005-08-12 10:30:54. |
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08/12/2005 10:34:11 AM · #7 |
| I just feel guilty giving someone a low score for a good picture because they were way off the theme. I am going to skip 'em. |
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08/12/2005 10:49:58 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by mandyturner:
I just feel guilty giving someone a low score for a good picture because they were way off the theme. I am going to skip 'em. |
There are really only two mechanisms to discourage off-challenge photos: Comments that say "Does not meet the challenge" (perhaps more subtly or more harshly); and a low vote. So it seems to me choosing to not vote on an off-challenge photo is an encouragement to deviate from the challenge.
If lots of folks did it, it would have the impact of raising off-challenge scores further encouraging off-challenge photos.
Vote 'em low I say and comment why. Just a personal POV. |
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08/12/2005 10:50:12 AM · #9 |
I see both sides of this fence. Definitely, a picture needs to meet the challenge and be on theme to get a high vote. However, there are some very anal, petty people here who seem to LOOK for reasons to say it doesn't meet the challenge and give ridiculously unfair votes accordingly, i.e. for the time capsul challenge, saying "If there's anything but the year in the title, they are getting a low vote. I can't get my mind around someone thinking that way.
There are some pictures that absolutely do meet the challenge, but because someone's personal inordinately narrow interpretation, they give very low votes, which I feel ruins the spirit of the challenges, and discourages some very good photographers from being creative and wanting to participate.
Ok. . .I'll get off my soap box now. I usually live and let live, and don't make a big deal out of people thinking different than me, but I feel pretty strongly about this.
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08/12/2005 10:53:06 AM · #10 |
Maybe this might be a consideration...
Its quite possible for many ppl to have differnt interpretations of a theme so the situation that mandyturner suggests is of course very real. Reciving a low score may give the impression to the photographer that the photo is bad if they belive its on topic.
I also agree that the voting habit should not be changed because of course the point of a challange is to capture something with in the boundries of the challenge.
So instead what I would suggest is just a simple check box option with each vote. Vote as normal, but if you are scoring low more because you feel the photo is offtopic select the check box as well.
This way if a person gets a low score and most of the voters also said they felt it was off topic the user is much better off. Rather than reciving a low score for what is other wise a techinally good photo and wondering why.
Now sure you could just leave a comment stating the fact and I guess this should be encouraged method. But I feel having an anonymous way of doing so may get a larger response. |
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08/12/2005 10:53:26 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by SandyP:
I see both sides of this fence. Definitely, a picture needs to meet the challenge and be on theme to get a high vote. However, there are some very anal, petty people here who seem to LOOK for reasons to say it doesn't meet the challenge and give ridiculously unfair votes accordingly, i.e. for the time capsul challenge, saying "If there's anything but the year in the title, they are getting a low vote. I can't get my mind around someone thinking that way.
There are some pictures that absolutely do meet the challenge, but because someone's personal inordinately narrow interpretation, they give very low votes, which I feel ruins the spirit of the challenges, and discourages some very good photographers from being creative and wanting to participate.
Ok. . .I'll get off my soap box now. I usually live and let live, and don't make a big deal out of people thinking different than me, but I feel pretty strongly about this. |
I always look forward to your comments Sandy - they are always so positive. |
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08/12/2005 11:01:50 AM · #12 |
Mandy - You really do some great work. Don't let someone's negative comments get to you (there's always one or two out there who aren't going to see things the same way that you do). I think that you are very much "on theme" for most challenges and that really is part of the rules. Shake off the bad stuff and try to take that feedback with a grain of salt. When I've received comments that my image doesn't fit the challenge, I (eventually) have to realize that I didn't get my message across as well as I thought I did. It doesn't mean that it was a bad photo, just that it wasn't as appropos to the challenge as other shots that scored higher. I can still be happy with my shot - and you should be too! :-)
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08/12/2005 11:07:30 AM · #13 |
| Mandy, are you really 30 years old? |
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