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08/24/2005 02:15:59 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
I just love to see it when people say in other words what happens to the US is because of something we done. The US has helped more countries out of situations than any other country. Has the US alway been right in doing some of the thing she does, NO. But picture a world that had no help from the US, none. That would be a sad day for a lot of countries and it would sadden me. I would just like to of know what actions would of been taken by other countries if over 3000 citizens were killed in the span of a few hours on one day in one of there major cities.
It is easy to sit back and say what you would of done 4 years later because hindsight is 20/20. |
Well, the world got along for 10,000 years without the help from the US. I guess, it would have somehow managed another 10,000. There'd be a lot more happy families in Japan (and please don't refer to war, I'm thinking about women, children and other civilians). Besides ... if you're helping someone against his will, it's not what most people would call helping. It's more like imposing your will.
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08/24/2005 02:19:12 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
lol...
...but I'm just not sure of the kinds of subject matter that you have in mind.
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That would definitely be up the the photographer. Anything from the subtle to the in your face. If I stated the subject matter I would be narrowing this down to my own understanding of how this has affected those who are not close to me. I would like to see how this has affected those people that I do not come in contact with everyday.
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08/24/2005 02:19:41 PM · #28 |
I think that I would actually enjoy voting/commenting on such challenge.
While I do disagree with Martin that it drastically affected the whole world, it is true that the whole world (all those getting CNN over the satellite) have been acquainted with the phrase nine-eleven, and that pretty much everyone in the whole world has an opinion on it.
That said, I second the motion to have the nine-eleven challenge, with whatever it means to whomever. I think that at DPC, we should be well-equipped to express our opinions with the camera as well as with forum posts. This would be a great opportunity to do just that - it would definitively get the best/worst from us and the resulting images would be closer to true art than any of the past challenges.
Please, for the sake of the art, let's have this challenge!
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08/24/2005 02:27:49 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
While I do disagree with Martin that it drastically affected the whole world, |
I never said drastically. If you read back the I think I mentioned "...large or small..." or to that effect several times.
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08/24/2005 02:31:34 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by mavrik:
I'm pretty sure the "world" didn't "change" for people in Indonesia on 9/11.
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Have you asked anyone from Indonesia, or bothered to research what you are saying or was "Indonesia" just off the top of your head? |
I picked Indonesia because I think their world is much more pre-12/26 and post-12/26 than any terrorist incident. So did I do my homework? You think 911 matters to Indonesia when they lost over 150,000 people since then?
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08/24/2005 02:33:19 PM · #31 |
| Then maybe this challenge should be renamed "disasters?" |
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08/24/2005 02:40:12 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
I just love to see it when people say in other words what happens to the US is because of something we done. The US has helped more countries out of situations than any other country. Has the US alway been right in doing some of the thing she does, NO. But picture a world that had no help from the US, none. That would be a sad day for a lot of countries and it would sadden me. I would just like to of know what actions would of been taken by other countries if over 3000 citizens were killed in the span of a few hours on one day in one of there major cities.
It is easy to sit back and say what you would of done 4 years later because hindsight is 20/20.I will exit now because I don't want to turn this in to a rant forum. Sorry for hijacking the thread (if I did). |
1812 we kicked american asses back which is now called the "boarder" almost 200 years later a war of "water" will impart on Canada lead by american and we will do it again. I agree with america and probably always will but your president has to learn to keep his hands(or pants depending on the president) clean and stop invading other countries. Protect your own and forget the rest.
this is not to spawn a political debate and was said thru the eyes of Conan O'Brian (who I might add is CANADIAN). lol j/k
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08/24/2005 02:46:13 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by mavrik:
I'm pretty sure the "world" didn't "change" for people in Indonesia on 9/11.
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Have you asked anyone from Indonesia, or bothered to research what you are saying or was "Indonesia" just off the top of your head? |
I picked Indonesia because I think their world is much more pre-12/26 and post-12/26 than any terrorist incident. So did I do my homework? You think 911 matters to Indonesia when they lost over 150,000 people since then? |
YOU LIKE BOLD. THAT'S COOL. IS THAT LIKE YELLING?
It still has affected thier laws, thier goverment and the way thier goverment reacts to various situations.
I never said it was the most important event in thier or anyone elses lives. To the 10 year old girl next door, breaking her front tooth in the pool two weeks ago was the most tramatic thing so far in her life. That doesn't mean that some other event that she may be totally oblivious to, or could care less about has not and will not affect her life in some way.
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08/24/2005 02:49:08 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
YOU LIKE BOLD. THAT'S COOL. IS THAT LIKE YELLING? |
Nope, CAPS ARE YELLING as you showed you know. Bold is for separation - I hate quoting myself being quoted - I can't follow it as easily as if I bold the later response. Old habit from other forums - woops.
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I never said it was the most important event in thier or anyone elses lives. To the 10 year old girl next door, breaking her front tooth in the pool two weeks ago was the most tramatic thing so far in her life. That doesn't mean that some other event that she may be totally oblivious to, or could care less about has not and will not affect her life in some way. |
I already said it's a good idea for a challenge - I was trying to explain the other side of the argument, which you seem to know, not care about, and wish to insult. And I ask again - why do people post things they don't want discussion about?
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08/24/2005 02:50:16 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
I never said drastically. If you read back the I think I mentioned "...large or small..." or to that effect several times. |
Now I must admit that I succumbed to the masses (read: forum posts). I still do think that we should have a challenge as originally described by Martin.
Olyuzi - it is not a disaster challenge - let's keep it open for interpretation. I like the toddhead's baby photo as well as jonr's porsche, as well as any other politically, religiously, or otherwise motivated photo that would show up in such challenge.
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08/24/2005 02:52:30 PM · #36 |
Come on. A large part of the world has been impacted by 9-11. 9-11 gave the US the rational to go into Afghanistan. Then the US and Brits decided, hey, why not clean up our past messes in Iraq, So along come the Italians, Australians, Spaniards, etc, etc. to help out. Whoops, turned out that they all took there eye off the ball and ended up getting smacked in the head by it. Political controversy erupted in a few of those countries, governments even changed in at least one. Meanwhile, things are just hunky-dory for people in Afghanistan and Iraq, life is good. And of course Bali had nothing to do with the West̢۪s reaction to 9-11. It would have happened anyway. Should I go on?
I have no idea what I would photograph for such a challenge but at least it would have meaning and contribute to the discussion of important world events. Isn̢۪t that what photographers attempt to do? Frame question, start debates, chronicle history?
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08/24/2005 02:55:38 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
And I ask again - why do people post things they don't want discussion about? |
I want discussion - really, or I never would have asked for a challenge of this nature.
You didn't hear me say "shut up".
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08/24/2005 02:57:54 PM · #38 |
Okay I just scanned over all the posts and here's my 2 cents; below are my two plans on how to change the world.
 
The way I see it, the only way we as a human race can change the world we live in is through our children. Instead of hate, I teach my two sons to be tolerant of the differences in people and cultures. Love instead of hate, learn from one another and accept people as they are not what others and the media tell us to believe. Question their leaders (this one has come back on me) and stand up for what they believe in. I hope and pray that they will grow up to make a difference in this crazy little place we all share.
Peace,
NaldSLC
Message edited by author 2005-08-24 14:59:58.
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08/24/2005 03:01:00 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by naldslc:
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...and title it "A New Beginning" and IMO it would be toatlly appropriate for the challenge.
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08/24/2005 03:02:56 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by naldslc:
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...and title it "A New Beginning" and IMO it would be toatlly appropriate for the challenge. |
I like it, and it shall be done!
Message edited by author 2005-08-24 20:54:30.
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08/24/2005 03:31:11 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Imagine the rant forum threads if this challenge went ahead! |
So when as photographer do you think it is best to back away from controversy and dissent? |
Photography can be a powerful tool of propaganda. 911 is responsible for a lot of hate in this world. I don't wish to see images which carry on promoting the values of intolerance, fear, suspicion, retribution and blind patriotism. |
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08/24/2005 03:35:14 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I don't wish to see images which carry on promoting the values of intolerance, fear, suspicion, retribution and blind patriotism. |
What about images that address these issues?
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08/24/2005 03:36:35 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Photography can be a powerful tool of propaganda. 911 is responsible for a lot of hate in this world. I don't wish to see images which carry on promoting the values of intolerance, fear, suspicion, retribution and blind patriotism. |
Ahh, but maybe you'll see satire of those subjects showing that all do not buy into past propaganda. |
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08/24/2005 04:25:44 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
I don't wish to see images which carry on promoting the values of intolerance, fear, suspicion, retribution and blind patriotism. |
What about images that address these issues? |
Do you realistically think many images will be positive in a challenge that asks for depictions of how 9/11 has changed the world? |
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08/24/2005 04:28:47 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Imagine the rant forum threads if this challenge went ahead! |
So when as photographer do you think it is best to back away from controversy and dissent? |
Photography can be a powerful tool of propaganda. 911 is responsible for a lot of hate in this world. I don't wish to see images which carry on promoting the values of intolerance, fear, suspicion, retribution and blind patriotism. |
thast is why i would not participate and would probably boycott DPC for the 7 days of the challenge so i would not have to be exposed to the consequences of such a challenge on th eboards etc.
Way too much hatemonguering towards a lot of people who have already suffered enough and are not here (on DPC) to defend themselves. |
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08/24/2005 04:30:13 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Do you realistically think many images will be positive in a challenge that asks for depictions of how 9/11 has changed the world? |
?I don't know?
...but as a person who has an undying faith in human nature I would hope that maybe one of those images, if even in a small way, might somehow bring about someting positive.
Edited for dyslexia.
Message edited by author 2005-08-24 16:31:49.
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08/24/2005 04:38:33 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
thast is why i would not participate and would probably boycott DPC for the 7 days of the challenge so i would not have to be exposed to the consequences of such a challenge on th eboards etc.
Way too much hatemonguering towards a lot of people who have already suffered enough and are not here (on DPC) to defend themselves. |
for the same reason I would enjoy DPC these 7 days - to see how articulate we are as photographers.
Most/some/all/minority (take a pick) of the users of DPC have expressed their opinion on the matter of current world affairs in the forums already. Every day there is a rant or two on the topic. Recently we've had London bombings and two threads on it, global warming threads, this week we've had Bush and the war, next weel we'll have something else.
I actually doubt that the challenge pictures could be much worse than what you can read every day in the forums.
What I'm trying to say is: people do not need the photo challenge to express their views. I actually dare to predict that the photography depictions will be much more decent than most of the forum posts I mentioned above.
Message edited by author 2005-08-24 16:39:11.
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08/24/2005 04:38:49 PM · #48 |
I tried not to post this because I don't want to offend anyone BUT!
I think its about time that the tragedy that was 9/11 is stopped from being used to justify all the shit thats gone down over the last few years.
Hundreds of civilians a month are taken to the city morgue in iraq, our governments are lying to its own people, and the sooner people realise it the better. Our governments watch the genocide is occuring RIGHT NOW in Darfur, Sudan and do nothing, just like the did in the 90s with Serbia. They do nothing because there is no profit in it.
And that is the only reason that Bush wanted to get into Iraq, and that is a fact. If I lost someone in 9/11 I would be outraged that they would use his death to justify what they are doing now.
Its a dangerous time right now, The American, and increasingly my own government seem to be able to pass any law they like, all in the name of 'the fight against terror' what a load of bollocks
Message edited by author 2005-08-24 16:41:48. |
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08/24/2005 04:41:30 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
thast is why i would not participate and would probably boycott DPC for the 7 days of the challenge so i would not have to be exposed to the consequences of such a challenge on th eboards etc.
Way too much hatemonguering towards a lot of people who have already suffered enough and are not here (on DPC) to defend themselves. |
You have that going on on the boards right now over some stupid "milk" challenge. Why not something that will stir the soul and the imagination instead of all of these lame retro, riches and living spaces challenges we have been having.
This site is shared by a lot of people with varied interests. I don't see why we should be content with the domestic and the tame as a rule. You will see a lot of entries, good and bad, from a lot of members who rarely or never participate in the challenges. Some, like you, will refrain just as I refrained from the "milk" challenge.
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08/24/2005 04:52:23 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
You have that going on on the boards right now over some stupid "milk" challenge. Why not something that will stir the soul and the imagination instead of all of these lame retro, riches and living spaces challenges we have been having.
This site is shared by a lot of people with varied interests. I don't see why we should be content with the domestic and the tame as a rule. You will see a lot of entries, good and bad, from a lot of members who rarely or never participate in the challenges. Some, like you, will refrain just as I refrained from the "milk" challenge. |
Look at my profile - i can see emotive aspects in these challenges you deem lame. I don't been to spend a week looking at photos of oh so hilarious jokes like "Osama Bin Liner" & american flags. That is not stimulating. People get very opinionated and often pigheaded over religious & polictical unrest (and that is what this challenge addresses) and that is a can of worms i would not want to open, nor be a part of.
Check out the 11 page business over the use of the word "God"/bible quotes on the boards. You real think this would be any different?
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