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 09/29/2005 05:52:19 PM · #26
I reported a post in an another thread and NOTHING has been done about it????

Message edited by author 2005-09-29 17:52:35.
 09/29/2005 05:53:27 PM · #27
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
This all could have been avoided if everyone who thought they saw a post which violated the rules used the Report Post button instead of playing vigilante.

-Terry


???


I think what he meant was that if you, or anyone else, felt as if a post was a violation of the rules or spirit of the rules, that one use the "report post" button instead of taking matters into their own hands by posting their issue or sending nasty PMs.
09/29/2005 05:54:26 PM · #28
Originally posted by rex:
I reported a post in an another thread and NOTHING has been done about it????


Actually, I responded to your report post and edited the offensive post to keep the message and remove the offensive comment. Was that not an effective response for you?
09/29/2005 05:55:41 PM · #29
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by rex:
I reported a post in an another thread and NOTHING has been done about it????


Actually, I responded to your report post and edited the offensive post to keep the message and remove the offensive comment. Was that not an effective response for you?


Just saw that...........sorry......who should I foward a copy of this pm I find offensive?
 09/29/2005 05:56:19 PM · #30
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by rex:
I reported a post in an another thread and NOTHING has been done about it????


Actually, I responded to your report post and edited the offensive post to keep the message and remove the offensive comment. Was that not an effective response for you?


Just saw that...........sorry......who should I foward a copy of this pm I find offensive?


Send it to me as I am online and checking email right now.
09/29/2005 05:57:45 PM · #31
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by rex:
I reported a post in an another thread and NOTHING has been done about it????


Actually, I responded to your report post and edited the offensive post to keep the message and remove the offensive comment. Was that not an effective response for you?


Just saw that...........sorry......who should I foward a copy of this pm I find offensive?


Send it to me as I am online and checking email right now.


pm'ed it to you.
 09/29/2005 06:01:57 PM · #32
Well, and now that we've got a process underway I want to thread-jack for a moment before I turn it back over to the discussion of competent wedding photography:

IF you have a problem with what someone has said or done in a thread, please alert the site council either by PM or ideally, through the "Report Post" system rather than taking matters into your own hands because it can make mountains out of molehills. Thanks!

Message edited by author 2005-09-29 18:02:20.
 09/29/2005 06:05:54 PM · #33
Yes it was ... sorry rex
09/29/2005 06:17:49 PM · #34
To eveyone else if you wish to kick my a$$ then go ahead but please understand that I intially misunderstood the post.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.........

The photographers work doesn't look all that great buy obviously he is getting work.
 09/29/2005 06:41:52 PM · #35
Originally posted by rex:
To eveyone else if you wish to kick my a$$ then go ahead but please understand that I intially misunderstood the post.


Hey rex, since Joey was a no-show.... wanna fight?
 09/29/2005 07:18:13 PM · #36
I wanna fight! I wanna fight!

Deannda
Oh wait, I'm a wuss, never mind
 09/29/2005 07:24:43 PM · #37
Originally posted by ldowse:
Originally posted by rex:
To eveyone else if you wish to kick my a$$ then go ahead but please understand that I intially misunderstood the post.


Hey rex, since Joey was a no-show.... wanna fight?


Nah..............I love ya too much man.........
 09/29/2005 07:32:05 PM · #38
Originally posted by rex:
Nah..............I love ya too much man.........


So when I get my a$$ kicked by someone half my age, I'm countin' on you to get my back!

:-P


09/29/2005 07:35:30 PM · #39
Originally posted by ldowse:


So when I get my a$$ kicked by someone half my age, I'm countin' on you to get my back!

:-P


Funny thing is we both would be beating up a minor and that could get us in a lot of trouble.
 09/29/2005 08:05:32 PM · #40
Back to the scheduled programme....

I hate flash photos and am bad at it but I always tried to avoid the bright forground and black background. I always try to have a focus/subject in the pic and I cannot see what some of these were meant to be saying.

In the end it's really up to the client. If the client pays the money I am not sure 100% of the issue is on the photog side
 09/29/2005 08:28:21 PM · #41
Originally posted by robs:
Back to the scheduled programme....

I hate flash photos and am bad at it but I always tried to avoid the bright forground and black background.


When you know how to use a flash properly you don't get the results as posted. That said, it's unethical to post someone's work here or anywhere for the sake of simply ridiculing them.
 09/29/2005 08:34:00 PM · #42
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
it's unethical to post someone's work here or anywhere for the sake of simply ridiculing them.


i agree.
09/29/2005 08:58:49 PM · #43
But, noting the fact that this guy isn't qualified to be a wedding photographer from even our amatuer standards, and wondering how in the world the people he took the photos for gave him those glowing comments is not unethical.

If the guy was an amatuer photog that wasn't presenting himself in a business manner as a professional, then this would be unethical. However, this guy has put himself up to public scrutiny and as such, invites critique by that mere action.

Would you expect to have a trucking company suddenly start up, and post up pictures of it's great fleet of trucks which are actually a bunch of old rusted out beaters to not be ridiculed? Same as any fly-by-night internet store gets rated at bizrate.com or resellerratings.com, you can expect to have your business critiqued by others all around.

09/29/2005 09:35:16 PM · #44
Photos are awful !
 09/29/2005 10:02:19 PM · #45
I think its fine to critique and criticize, but when its more like mockery...I dunno, I just don't like mockery, heh.
 09/30/2005 08:50:55 AM · #46
Originally posted by EddyG:
As I've stated before, I'm of the opinion that as long as professional photographers insist on emphasizing the candid look, such as photo-journalistic wedding photography and contemporary outdoor "candids" for portraits, the need for professional photographers will continue to decline as the expectations of paying clients do the same. Those "professional" wedding and portrait photographers are literally turning the photography business over to the amateurs. (And there are plenty of other examples of less-than-stellar "professional" wedding and portrait photography on the web.)

With digital, it costs the amateur nothing to shoot and shoot and shoot. These days, the only major difference between the amateur and the professional is the number of shots they have to take to get a good one. It certainly isn't about equipment -- often times guests at a wedding will have equipment as good if not better than what the "professional" hired photographer is using.


I saw Denis Reggie's presentation at the Canon show in NYC a few weeks ago. He does photojournalistic weddings. (See //www.denisreggie.net/about.html ). Note that Denis also does the usual posed shots.

IIRC, Denis said that he takes a lot of shots. He also said that he lets the camera system (camera, flash, lens) do AF, AWB, Fill-flash, etc. Looking at the portfolio the OP pointed out, there's some red-eye, bad WB, and other technical issues that the camera system should have corrected. There's also a lot of "artistic" choices, such as subject matter, framing, use of (fill) flash, position of subjects to ambient light, etc that are different choices than I would have made (and I think my choices would have been nowhere near as good as Denis Reggie's :-)

IMO, photojournalistic style weddings require more artistic ability/experience because you only get one chance to get a shot right, and have to insure that all your camera system settings are appropriate. The camera can help you with a lot of this, but a bad photographer can still take a horrible picture with a horribly expensive camera.

The difference between the right shot, and almost the right shot can be enormous -- who remembers the name of the guy who was almost the first man to step on the moon?
 09/30/2005 08:58:17 AM · #47
Are you kidding me? I thought those photos were dry and lacking in the emotion wedding pictures should capture.
 09/30/2005 09:09:43 AM · #48
My point was not that there aren't good PJ wedding photographers out there. Of course Dennis Reggie is world-renowned, as is Gary Fong (who charges $120,000 for 12 hours of coverage). These guys are masters of their craft.

But just because they can capture a wedding without equal in the PJ style does not mean that everybody can. They are true experts in being able to "see creatively", to visualize the lighting and composition and get the shot. But because more and more people offering "photography services" (they shouldn't be called "professionals") are pushing the PJ-style and candids for weddings and portraits, they are decreasing the need for true professional-caliber photographers. Combine that with the "camera operators" in every Sears, Wal-Mart, JCPenney, Babys R' Us, etc. and the public is becoming more and more complacent with mediocre and sometimes downright poor photography since that is what they perceive as the quality you get from a "professional photographer". It's just not a good situation for anybody whose livelihood depends on being a real professional photographer.

If all PJ-style wedding albums were as good as Reggie's or Fong's, or all portraits looked like a Simone portrait (as one example), then people would have a good understanding of what a professional photographer can do with a camera and what being a real professional photographer is all about. But that clearly isn't the case. And that was my only point -- that the public's view of what a "professional photographer" is is changing, and not for the better.

Message edited by author 2005-09-30 09:24:03.
 09/30/2005 09:16:49 AM · #49
Sorry for the confusion I was referring to the photos from the first entry- NOT Dennis Reggie.
 09/30/2005 12:24:04 PM · #50
Jeez guys, give them a break.
Sure there are a couple of unsharp pictures, some nasty shadows from side flash, a couple of red eyes, but there are some very nice ones in there as well.
I would assume it is a startup photographer & you have to start somewhere. I can imagine if I was asked to do a wedding I wouldn't be that much better.
I agree that it is not ethical to point out a site with some not quite perfect pictures in it, but the number of negative comments here made me expect much worse than it was.

P.s. I'm not a wedding photographer.
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