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11/07/2005 06:23:04 PM · #26 |
swinging_johnson-v1,
Check out the critique done by a few of us, just click on profile and then comments made, you will see critiques there.
Read thru a few and get back to us and let us know if you think we are doing the job right. It will help us new members to make sure we do a good job.
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11/07/2005 07:01:50 PM · #27 |
swing i think you are a little confused by a similar thing i have heard from a couple of other members in PM also.
No one except YOU and a handful of SC who oversee the CC are aware of which photos have been marked as "i want a CC comment"(paraphrase- this is what the indepth blahblahblah thing means) - until the challenge is over, and then one person who is a CC member clicks the critque club link in the menu and recieved one photo.
No one is privy to that information during a challenge.
No one but yourself and the person who was randomly assigned your photo is privy to that information until the comment beginning with "greetings from the CC"(paraphrase ) has been posted.
The *only* thing that is different on the website for a CC member and a non-CC member is the link that allowed us to be given an image.Those of us who are part of the CC do not see anything differently on an image during voting than those who are not. We do not wear our CC hates when commenting during a challenge. This is why we do not leave indepth comments all the time. (That and personally it takes me 30-45 minutes to write a decent CC, compared to the 1-2 minutes i take on writing a regular elli comment).
I hope this answers your question :)
edit - i really just need to learn to spell haha
Message edited by author 2005-11-07 19:04:36. |
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11/08/2005 04:55:42 PM · #28 |
So, what happened to swinging??
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11/09/2005 05:35:39 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
swinging_johnson-v1,
Check out the critique done by a few of us, just click on profile and then comments made, you will see critiques there.
Read thru a few and get back to us and let us know if you think we are doing the job right. It will help us new members to make sure we do a good job.
Steve |
Sorry it took a day or so to get back, but the industry I am involved with does not give me the pleasure of an 9am-5pm job.
I did look at the comments received, and since I signed up for membership on DPC, and asked for a CC to review my work, only two CC members commented. And that was on the "What" submission. Not too long ago.
I don't know who is in this 'club', and if a CC member has commented on my stuff before the "what" challenge, then they did not represent themselves as per their requirement.
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11/09/2005 05:52:50 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
I am a member of the CC and when I critique a photograph this is what I refer to. I usually critique in three paragraphs trying to explain what I think of the photograph. You can go to my comments made here and look for the critiques that says "From the Critique Club" to see an example. I also PM every photographer after I have critiqued the photograph. I have not done any lately because of the problem with my dad buy scroll down and you will see them.
MY CRITIQUE GUIDELINE.
The purpose of critiquing photographs should be to help photographers to improve their work through a better understanding and proficiency in the technical aspects of photography and the theory of visual literacy, and this while helping the photographer maintain his or her individuality and way of seeing.
The critique should attempt to open the photographer's own thought process; it should not be an attempt to change the photographer into a clone of the assessor - the very curse to creativity.
It is essential to determine the photographer's purpose for making the image: Was it to be a clinical study, story illustration, social documentary, fine art piece or perhaps an entry for a competition? Only then can the critique be properly focused to assist the photographer along an effective learning path.
1. TECHNICAL QUALITY
Editors, judges and evaluators all agree: a successful photographic image must have good technical quality to start with.
· FOCUS: Is the image sharp? If not, is it intentionally soft and successful?
· CLEANLINESS: Is it free of scratches, dust spots, stains, lens flare, etc?
· EXPOSURE: Is it too light, too dark or just right?
· LIGHTING: Is the lighting too contrasty, too flat or just right?
· COLORS: Does it have neutral colors or a strange colorcast?
2. COMPOSITION
Affected by the camera viewpoint and focal length of the lens. It can raise an image from a technical success to an artistic success!
· BALANCE: Is the image aligned correctly or is it crooked?
· LOGIC: Is the arrangement of the visual elements effective?
· PURPOSE: Is there a strong center of interest, pattern or design?
· CLARITY: Is it simple, yet complete and without distracting elements?
3. EMOTIONAL APPEAL
The vital element for a truly great image, making it unique and memorable.
· DYNAMIC: Does it grab and keep your attention? Does it have the "wow" factor?
· PROVOCATIVE: Does it excite your imagination, or create a strong emotion in you?
· CREATIVE: Does it show a familiar subject in a new, unusual and yet effective way?
· UNUSUAL: Does it show a very unusual subject in an effective way? |
Scott gives some of the best critiques on this site... Hands down... He is thorough, thoughtful, tactful, and constructive. I've tried to model my critiques based on his model. I LOVE getting comments from this guy. There are some good guys/gals out there - bear with us and they'll get to you too. :-) |
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11/09/2005 06:35:34 PM · #31 |
I have never asked for a critique on any photo and do not know off hand if Scott has commented on any of my photos (I don't ask for them, but challenge entries go largely uncommented on except for a few). But I feel good about my critiques since I have gotten great feedback from the people I have critiqued.
Also, I have come to appreciate the work of a lot more photographers on the site in the past week and a half. There are a lot of images that I think go unnoticed or are underrated in the challenges.
So with that said I guess I would add that, in general to everyone, just because your images do not get the number of comments you would like, that doesn't mean your work is not good. |
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11/09/2005 06:55:03 PM · #32 |
About a year ago in the calender challenge I got a critique from Troy Hayward, tristalisk, that totally changed the way I saw photography. After that I had many great ones but that was my Rubicon and I still can not thank him enough.
To critique is a great responsibility, not just something to take on because you have time on your hands. It can be, and is, a backbreaker or a lesson. The people out there doing it, in my opinion, in general are doing an outstanding job. Something we, as the others, the receivers, should appreciate. I thank each and every one of you for giving up your time and expertise to help people like me. |
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11/09/2005 07:09:39 PM · #33 |
Doing a critique takes time and a lot of thought.
I have a template of sorts, and used it in these critiques:
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11/09/2005 07:44:07 PM · #34 |
I was thinking maybe Johnson was getting comments and CC critiques mixed up..Then I read what was marked as being from Cc on his "What" entry. And I will say that was Nothing like the typical, in depth, critique club comments that I have seen.
Now, altho not a great critique, at least you got one!! I am on request 4 and still waiting patiently. I know they are wa-ay busy, I understand...But I do suck and could Really use the critiques!! |
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11/09/2005 07:56:51 PM · #35 |
Perhaps there is a compromise between just voting, and a full critique. What if the check box for a full critique were a request for a more elaborate voting system?
I'm imagining something where any voter can optionally score an image on the CC criteria:
FOCUS, CLEANLINESS, EXPOSURE, LIGHTING, COLORS, BALANCE, LOGIC, PURPOSE< CLARITY, DYNAMIC, PROVOCATIVE, CREATIVE, UNUSUAL.
Where these optional CC criteria votes would be completely seperate from the regular "scoring" vote.
Also, the presence of these additional fields on the voting screen would indicate that a more detailed comment would be desired.
Just a thought.
Russ
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