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11/16/2005 10:41:38 AM · #877

So if it is a personal choice, what determines right and wrong?

Matthew

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/16/2005 10:42:42 AM · #878

Originally posted by jsas:

So if it is a personal choice, what determines right and wrong?

That is a big question.

rox_rox

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11/16/2005 10:48:25 AM · #879

I wish I weren't walking out the door. I have a lot to say about your question jsas. Hopefully I can pick up this interesting discussion when I return.

Matthew

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11/16/2005 10:49:38 AM · #880

Here is a starting point:

//plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

muckpond

Nikon D200

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11/16/2005 10:54:11 AM · #881

Originally posted by greatandsmall:

So...I'm confused...is George Bush Texan or not?

apparently he's not, 'cause he was born in connecticut.

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11/16/2005 11:13:44 AM · #882

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

Here is a starting point:

//plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

Ok so this is saying society is one of the determining factors of morality. There are so many different kinds of social groups or religions, here in America, not to mention world wide (we are becoming more of a one world society, Bush and Clinton work together for this). We have hyphenated-national groups here in America that honor their heritage. What is the universal code, if it were, that we should as a society, go by?

Message edited by author 2005-11-16 11:14:35.

res0m50r

Canon EOS-30D

11/16/2005 11:15:23 AM · #883

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

No one seems to object to the concept of same sex civil union, giving the same civil rights as is the case for mixed sex unions. Anti-gay marriage combatants Ron B and res0m50r have both said they would have no problem with this.

The issue appears to be what to call the civil union (!! - a rose by any other name). And presumably whether any religious content could be included in the service. Both are easily overcome.

The Texan amendment prohibits any form of union, including same sex civil unions of the type described here. I would be interested to know if this is objectionable to those who accept the idea of same sex civil unions but generally consider homosexuality to be objectionable on religious grounds.

I believe your first statement is correct. I did state that a civil union outside of marriage is a right offered by our country and should not be denied to anyone. Yes, marriage is taken in slight these days and with the divorce rate what it is most will characterize it as changed. The fact is that marriage as much as it is abused is still a vow before God and I intend to protect the ceremony as long as I am alive. I will not bend to the argument that marriage has changed so it really shouldn't matter now because it is really only a civil union. Marriage still means something to me and I would argue many others, obviously by the vote in Texas. The government needs to develop a way to seperate marriage from civil union.

I am sure the next point would be that Texas has approved an amendment that won't even allow a civil union proposition to pass. I personally think it should be seperated out into different votes that way it can be addressed individually. One to ban the union of homosexuals into marriage and the other to allow a civil union amendment to be supported by Texas. It wasn't done this way and unfortunately the citizens of Texas feel stronger about not allowing homosexual marriage than to not vote at all. Write a letter, get the amendment seperated into different categories and I will vote.

Judith Polakoff

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11/16/2005 11:52:43 AM · #884

Originally posted by res0m50r:

The fact is that marriage as much as it is abused is still a vow before God and I intend to protect the ceremony as long as I am alive.

When my husband and I were married, we wrote our own vows that we swore to each other (not God), and we made sure there were no references to God or religion in any respect in our ceremony because neither of us believe in God. Are we married in your view? My husband and I certainly think of ourselves as married, the State of New York says we are married, and every state in the Union would consider us married. So I'm not sure the distinction you're making between civil union and marriage.

11/16/2005 12:01:17 PM · #885

Originally posted by res0m50r:

The fact is that marriage as much as it is abused is still a vow before God and I intend to protect the ceremony as long as I am alive.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Christians only represent about 33% of the world's population. You seem to be suggesting that the overwhelming majority of world marriages are invalid. It looks like you have a LOT of protecting to do while you're alive.

Message edited by author 2005-11-16 12:02:16.

11/16/2005 12:02:16 PM · #886

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Originally posted by res0m50r:
The fact is that marriage as much as it is abused is still a vow before God and I intend to protect the ceremony as long as I am alive.

When my husband and I were married, we wrote our own vows that we swore to each other (not God), and we made sure there were no references to God or religion in any respect in our ceremony because neither of us believe in God. Are we married in your view? My husband and I certainly think of ourselves as married, the State of New York says we are married, and every state in the Union would consider us married. So I'm not sure the distinction you're making between civil union and marriage.

You don't believe in God. Why do you capitalize God?

11/16/2005 12:03:28 PM · #887

Originally posted by jsas:

Why do you capitalize God?

It's a proper name. She probably doesn't believe in Zeus either.

11/16/2005 12:08:15 PM · #888

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by res0m50r:
The fact is that marriage as much as it is abused is still a vow before God and I intend to protect the ceremony as long as I am alive.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Christians only represent about 33% of the world's population. You seem to be suggesting that the overwhelming majority of world marriages are invalid. It looks like you have a LOT of protecting to do while you're alive.

A ceremony is just a public profession of your love. Your ring is just a symbol of that love. You heart is the keeper of that love. Captain Marvel couldn't even protect the ceremony.

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11/16/2005 12:12:46 PM · #889

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by jsas:
Why do you capitalize God?

It's a proper name. She probably doesn't believe in Zeus either.

By capitalizing it you say God is the supreme being in person. Even webster says so, in most cases it would be god and Zeus is a proper name but he is a greek god not capitalized lol I was just wondering.

Riponlady

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

11/16/2005 12:14:55 PM · #890

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by jsas:
Why do you capitalize God?

It's a proper name. She probably doesn't believe in Zeus either.

I don't believe in Gandalf, Harry Potter, Black Beauty(for those nostalgic for the discussion of beastiality!) or Superman but I"ve got a sneaking belief in King Arthur! I still give them capitals as they are proper nouns as is The Bible, The Qu'ran or any other specific book. Be careful with church and Church !
P
:))

edit - God with a capital is the name that Christians give to their specific god and therefore deserves a capital.

Message edited by author 2005-11-16 12:16:28.

11/16/2005 12:15:15 PM · #891

Originally posted by jsas:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by res0m50r:
The fact is that marriage ...is still a vow before God

Christians only represent about 33% of the world's population. You seem to be suggesting that the overwhelming majority of world marriages are invalid.

A ceremony is just a public profession of your love. Captain Marvel couldn't even protect the ceremony.

You're dodging. You have defined marriage factually as a vow before God. Given that most of the world doesn't believe in your God, the logical conclusion is that most of the world can't be married. Who said anything about a ceremony?

11/16/2005 12:22:04 PM · #892

Originally posted by jsas:

By capitalizing it you say God is the supreme being in person.

No, by capitalizing, we are referring to your specific god (

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11/16/2005 12:25:04 PM · #893

LOL, no problem with the fricken capitalization! Someone said earlier they will protect the ceremony of marriage you're the one that responded to it scalvert I just wanted to know lol. This thread has enough problems without grammar lessons.

Message edited by author 2005-11-16 12:25:23.

res0m50r

Canon EOS-30D

11/16/2005 12:25:40 PM · #894

Originally posted by scalvert:

You keep saying "your opinion" I am not going to continue to debate this with you. My opinion is that the Bible is true, but that opinion is not what makes it true. The Bible is factually accurate on all levels, period (not an opinion statement, but a factual one). Again, everyone, you and I do not have to believe in the Bible for it to be a fact.

I am interested in your statistics on the percentages of Christians in the world, where did you get them? I have been looking for sources of this nature. Thanks ahead of time!

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11/16/2005 12:26:37 PM · #895

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by jsas:
By capitalizing it you say God is the supreme being in person.

No, by capitalizing, we are referring to your specific god (

Don't drag the Hulk into this!lol

Riponlady

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ35

11/16/2005 12:28:09 PM · #896

Originally posted by res0m50r:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by res0m50r:
The fact is that marriage as much as it is abused is still a vow before God and I intend to protect the ceremony as long as I am alive.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Christians only represent about 33% of the world's population. You seem to be suggesting that the overwhelming majority of world marriages are invalid. It looks like you have a LOT of protecting to do while you're alive.

You keep saying "your opinion" I am not going to continue to debate this with you. My opinion is that the Bible is true, but that opinion is not what makes it true. The Bible is factually accurate on all levels, period (not an opinion statement, but a factual one). Again, everyone, you and I do not have to believe in the Bible for it to be a fact.

I am interested in your statistics on the percentages of Christians in the world, where did you get them? I have been looking for sources of this nature. Thanks ahead of time!

You (or in this thread- can't check all that way) keep saying the Bible is fact! That it is factually correct. I have asked before and ask again,how do you know?
P

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11/16/2005 12:34:43 PM · #897

Originally posted by res0m50r:

The Bible is factually accurate on all levels, period... I am not going to continue to debate this with you.

Originally posted by scalvert:

...we are hearing that macro evolution over billions of years is too much to believe, but dinosaurs, lions and penguins living together as vegetarians on an ark built by 600+ year old people to withstand several hundred inches of rain per hour continuously for 40 days from an atmosphere dense enough to block out all light and crush a modern submarine (all at a time more recent than the invention of boats) makes total sense.

I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to debate these as facts.

Originally posted by res0m50r:

I am interested in your statistics on the percentages of Christians in the world, where did you get them?

They're readily available with a Google search. HERE'S one.

res0m50r

Canon EOS-30D

11/16/2005 12:38:52 PM · #898

Originally posted by Riponlady:

You (or in this thread- can't check all that way) keep saying the Bible is fact! That it is factually correct. I have asked before and ask again,how do you know?
P

Here is just one reason... to list them all would take a lot of time... I do have some more information, but not here at work with me.

Isaiah 43:1-14
But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob,
And He who formed you, O Israel:

â�� Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by your name;
You are Mine.
2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow you.
When you walk through the fire, you shall not be burned,
Nor shall the flame scorch you.
3 For I am the LORD your God,
The Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
I gave Egypt for your ransom,
Ethiopia and Seba in your place.
4 Since you were precious in My sight,
You have been honored,
And I have loved you;
Therefore I will give men for you,
And people for your life.
5 Fear not, for I am with you;
I will bring your descendants from the east,
And gather you from the west;
6 I will say to the north, â��Give them up!â��
And to the south, â��Do not keep them back!â��
Bring My sons from afar,
And My daughters from the ends of the earthâ��
7 Everyone who is called by My name,
Whom I have created for My glory;
I have formed him, yes, I have made him.â��
8 Bring out the blind people who have eyes,
And the deaf who have ears.
9 Let all the nations be gathered together,
And let the people be assembled.
Who among them can declare this,
And show us former things?
Let them bring out their witnesses, that they may be justified;
Or let them hear and say, â��It is truth.â��
10 â�� You are My witnesses,â�� says the LORD,

â�� And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD,
And besides Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared and saved,
I have proclaimed,
And there was no foreign god among you;
Therefore you are My witnesses,â��
Says the LORD, â��that I am God.
13 Indeed before the day was, I am He;
And there is no one who can deliver out of My hand;
I work, and who will reverse it?â��
14 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:

11/16/2005 12:41:08 PM · #899

Originally posted by jsas:

You don't believe in God. Why do you capitalize God?

My turn... when someone sneezes, do you say, "God bless you?" Do you really believe that the person is expelling demons through their nose or is about to die?