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11/17/2005 05:57:50 PM · #1 |
| I'm starting to outgrow my Powershot G6 that I've had since April. It's a great camera, but I want the versatility of being able to change the lenses. Plus the shutter delay associated w/ all |
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11/17/2005 06:04:03 PM · #2 |
Buy them both for me, I'll review them, and give you the best one. :]
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11/17/2005 06:07:21 PM · #3 |
I have a 300D (Rebel) and am counting the days until I can upgrade to the 20D. The 20D has a faster buffer so I can take more shots in burst mode. Also, I think the 20D has a faster sync time - the 300D is 1/90. I think that holds true for the 350 also.
I'm skipping the XT and may wait until February to see what might replace the 20D...
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11/17/2005 06:21:54 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by dahkota:
I'm skipping the XT and may wait until February to see what might replace the 20D... |
Is the 20D getting replaced in Feb? |
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11/17/2005 07:17:14 PM · #5 |
I have had the 300D, have a XT now as a second camera, and have shot the 20D from fellow photogs.
Imaging wise, it's pretty much the same. The XT feels like a toy with cheap gritty plastic and no rubber covering. It's also too small, even with the optional battery grip, if you have average or bigger male hands. The 20D feels like a very serious camera that it is with more solid magnesium body, you get much more features and 5 vs 3fps. You don't get better imaging. And it costs more and a replacement maybe announced on 2/06 for the 20D.
If you want a nice feeling camera at less than a grand, then consider a KM 5D or a Nikon D50/70. They do not resolve as well as the XT though. If you want the best image quality for the buck, the XT is a good deal. If you want the best feeling camera with most features and with the best imaging in sub $1400 range, then the 20D might serve you the best.
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11/17/2005 07:21:52 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by yido:
The XT feels like a toy... It's also too small, even with the optional battery grip, if you have average or bigger male hands. |
I disagree. The XT feels fine.
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 19:22:59. |
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11/17/2005 07:26:02 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
I disagree. The XT feels fine. |
That reminds me of the old joke:
Boyfriend: Doctor, you gotta help my girlfriend, she is sick.
Doctor: Well, did she feel ok last night?
Boyfriend: She felt fine to me.
Sorry.
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 19:26:24. |
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11/17/2005 07:26:30 PM · #8 |
The XT is the worst entry level body on the market but has the best sensor.
The 20D is a big step up in features and has a slightly better noise profile that the XT.
Hope this helps.
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11/17/2005 07:28:17 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
The 20D is a big step up in features and has a slightly better noise profile that the XT.
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But does it keep the feature advantage as soon as the hack is installed? |
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11/17/2005 07:33:19 PM · #10 |
The XT body is excellent. It feels solid and well built, with an attention to fit and finish.
Is it made of plastic? Yes. Do I care? No. What is so great about metal bodies? Durability? You aren't going to need your camera to last for 10 years, since you'll probably be replacing it much much sooner than that. And I'm not sure that metal-bodied cameras are more durable than plastic ones, anyway.
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11/17/2005 07:34:34 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But does it keep the feature advantage as soon as the hack is installed? |
Pentaprism viewfinder, higher frame rates and buffer size. Build quality.
They are hardware features rather than software features that I refer to.
Unfortunately Canon can never upscale their entry level cameras too much as they need to protect sales of their mid-level/enthusiast level bodies.
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11/17/2005 07:40:49 PM · #12 |
| I am looking at the 20D early in the new year, I would not upgrade from the 300D to a 350D though! |
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11/17/2005 09:48:41 PM · #13 |
Depends...on what you use the camera for.
If money is the be all end all, then get a used 300D and spend the rest on glass. glass lasts, bodies come and go. Figure 3 or 4 lenses at $400 each on average to get decent third party lenses, $600 each if you go canon only on the lenses. 3 or 4 to cover everything (10-20 ish wide, 24-135 or 17-85 etc walkaround, 70-300 lens. and enough for one more - i chose a fast 18-50, you may prefer a macro lens or want a 400 to 500 wildlife lens.
As to the choice of which camera - the 300/350 should be fine for anything short of pro work, and depending on that it will work too.
I want a 20D, or probably it's replacement, for more speed in writing, more buffer space and better focus (but only with constant 2.8 glass). Also, as an emerging 'pro', i need a backup so my Rebel will be that for me.
In the past year i bought my Rebel body ($685 after rebate if i recall) and have spent about $1200 on lenses and another $300 on a speedlight, plus $200 on memory and $100 on batteries - so the body cost is only a small part of the overall amount you'll spend. And I still want at leaat 3 mopre lenses...then perhaps i can head toward L glass!
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11/17/2005 10:00:24 PM · #14 |
I have the rebel xt and love it, it feels great to me in my hands, no complaints at all. The plastic body does not bother me at all, not worried about durability its not going to last forever. Its not like I am going to drop it any time soon always and always have it around my neck or in my bag, I learned that lesson before drop my D70 I had for a little short while.
The only thing I dislike is the display/lcd not being on the top of the camera.
Also how is the rebel xt the worst entry level slr on the market?
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 22:03:19.
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11/17/2005 10:03:41 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
I'm not sure that metal-bodied cameras are more durable than plastic ones, anyway. |
lol, joking, right?
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11/17/2005 10:03:41 PM · #16 |
| Nothing wrong with the 350 but me too will wait for the 20D upgrade... I have almost all the lenses I want as a hobby-man. Maybe I will get the upgrade for my birthday, against some odds, on Feb 22;-)Alternatively I will go with the 20D for the focus and 5fps mmmmmmmmmmmmm! |
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11/17/2005 11:21:59 PM · #17 |
If you've outgrown your camera and have had it since April I would suggest going for the 20D. I'll be getting mine this Saturday :) (fingers crossed so that nothing goes wrong!)
PS: matter of fact...I have a used digital rebel 300 for sale :)
Message edited by author 2005-11-17 23:23:25. |
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11/17/2005 11:47:29 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by Keith Maniac:
I'm not sure that metal-bodied cameras are more durable than plastic ones, anyway. |
lol, joking, right? |
No. |
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11/18/2005 12:28:16 AM · #19 |
| It's not a freestyle BMX frame or anything, I don't see what's wrong with plastic for camera bodies. Is there more structural integrity or something if it's metal? Has anyone actually cracked a plastic camera under normal use? |
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11/18/2005 01:02:50 AM · #20 |
Plastic bodies flex with a heavy lens. The metal lens mount of the 300D is connected to a plastic body. When I used big lense on it like the EF 70-200 f2.8L or the Sigma 50-500, I could hear and feel the creak of the lens mount on the plastic body. It made me a bit nervous about using the camera vigorously.
The 350D's lens mount is connected to a steel internal frame, which is then connected to the plastic body, which they say is as sturdy as the 20D. When I use big lenses on the 20D or my N, it feels solid, no flex creak, no noting.
Makes a big difference in how confident you feel about your equipment. If you plan on getting big lenses having a small body makes the camera/lens unit very unbalanced, here bigger/heavier body of the 20D would help, especially with a grip.
If you are interested in either the XT or the 20D, try both of them out first. See how it feels in your hand. If finances are a big concern, then the XT maybe a better deal. I don't think you'll outgrow it in a year, as it is an advanced camera with many features. If the feel of the camera is ok with you, fine, if not and the 20D is too expensive, consider the Nikon D50 or D70s, I think you'll be pleasently surprised how better they feel over the 350D. If you don't believe me, go read all the online reviews of the 350D and see what the majority of the reviewers say about the "feel" of the camera.
Message edited by author 2005-11-18 01:08:59.
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11/18/2005 01:16:10 AM · #21 |
I cant find that post of the guy who dropped his 1D (something) off a cliff? I dont think a plastic body would be the same?
Im just careless so i like the security, weight and feel of a metal body.
This sites pretty usefull in explaining the differences |
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11/18/2005 04:15:38 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by yido:
If you are interested in either the XT or the 20D, try both of them out first. See how it feels in your hand. |
Definitely do that. I have the 20D - I tried out the 350D and while I don't think the body is bad - didn't really feel too plasitcy, was nice and sturdy, I just didn't like the size. I don't have huge hands, but the 350D was too small. My pinky was off the grip when holding it. Even so - If I hadn't already had the 20D, I would have been tempted by the price.
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11/18/2005 04:47:43 AM · #23 |
Pro 20D
- Higer FPS, larger buffer
- More solid and rugged with metal body
- Real mechanical shutter (I know, but the shutter sound of the 350....)
- Easier access to functions (shuter speed & aperture on differnet inputs)
Pro 350D
- Much smaller and lighter than the 20D
- You get the same picture quality for less the price
- LCD display on the back of camera (really good when shooting on a high mounted tripod) |
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11/18/2005 04:54:44 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by merheim:
Pro 20D
- Higer FPS, larger buffer
- More solid and rugged with metal body
- Real mechanical shutter (I know, but the shutter sound of the 350....)
- Easier access to functions (shuter speed & aperture on differnet inputs)
Pro 350D
- Much smaller and lighter than the 20D
- You get the same picture quality for less the price
- LCD display on the back of camera (really good when shooting on a high mounted tripod) |
Add to that: 20D has double the designed life for the shutter: 100,000 clicks vs 50.000 clicks...
R. |
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11/18/2005 05:34:00 AM · #25 |
| One thing I do miss from the 20D is the quick control dial. Bugs me a lot only having the main dial, but that's something I can live with though (at the moment, ehrm :) |
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