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11/21/2005 06:22:53 AM · #1226 |
Originally posted by jadin:
One of the most impressive scientific claims in the bible is the expanding universe. Within the last century or so it's been discovered that the universe is continually expanding. The bible repeatedly talks about this occuring, several millinium ago.
"This is what the [true] God, Jehovah, has said, the Creator of the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out..." Isaiah 42:5
"I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?" Isaiah 44:24
"Stretching out the heavens by himself And treading upon the high waves of the sea" Job 9:8
Lots of other examples - Ps 104:2; Isa 40:22; Isa 45:12; Isa 48:13; Isa 51:13; Jer 10:12; Jer 51:15; Zech 12:1; |
There is another scientific theory that the universe persists in a single state, without expansion. What if a new experiment overturns our current best theories on expansion following a "big bang" and the solid state theory better explains what we see? Is the Bible still accurate. Oh - of course, some references use past tenses: God stretched the universe and now it has stopped expanding.
Until we need it to be expanding, contracting or folding in some new way and another verse has to be drummed into action with a new interpretation to explain away another Biblical "revelation" that until then had gone unnoticed...
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11/21/2005 06:26:40 AM · #1227 |
It is a wonder that scientists do not use the internet when trying to work out how the universe was created. 1 minute of searching threw up this site:
//www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html
linking to dozens of explanations, including the Christian one (how could they miss that??!!).
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11/21/2005 07:35:29 AM · #1228 |
Originally posted by Gracious:
It didn't make news, on the front or back pages of leading American newspapers, but Professor Antony Flew, a prominent British philosopher who is considered the world's best-known atheist, has cited advancements in science as proof of the existence of God.
But those who believe in intelligent design or find gaping holes in the theory of evolution frequently encounter a hostile press. The Discovery Institute focuses on the issue of whether there is any evidence of design in nature, rather than whether there is a designer. Still, its representatives tend to be portrayed in religious terms by the media.
Such a tactic is common operating procedure by the ACLU, which is determined to portray any alternative to evolution as religious and therefore not allowed to be taught or even discussed in the public schools.
Some links here on Scientific basis of Creationism |
Milo has addressed the Prof. Flew point - I have seen this one remark taken out of context so many times...
I don't think that it takes an opponent of evolutionary theory to point out the holes. The scientific community is constantly probing the theory for holes, gaps and exceptions. That is the purpose of science. To probe, question, hypothesise, observe, predict, test the prediction and theorise.
The problem with the approach you describe as being taken by the Discovery Institute is not that they search for evidence of design, but that they do not (probably because they cannot) predict, test and theorise.
They have the theory that there may have been a designer and that some kind of design notes might be discoverable (hypothesise - fine), and search for them (observe - fine), they find something that looks a little more regular than they would expect (observe - fine) and postulate that this might have been caused because the thing in question was designed (hypothesis - fine), then they suggest that it is evidence for a designer (theorise - not fine).
They need at the last stage to start proposing some tests that will test whether the thing in question was designed or came about in some other fashion, preferably with a positive (rather than negative) proof. And the predictions should have general application, explain something that cannot be explained, or explain it better than it has already been explained.
What most ID proponents do a lot of the time is little more than criticise the theory of evolution. I am sure that these criticisms are welcomed inasmuch as they are genuine examples of questions that the theory does not presently answer. Such issues are proposed and tested by biologists the whole time in order to further develop, enhance and tweak the fine detail of the theory.
The theory of evolution in its broadest sense has held true against all scientific observations and its predictions have been born out for 150 years. Most dramatically, the theory survived (and is a consequence of) one of the greatest breakthroughs in science: the discovery and comprehension of DNA.
Some are quoting the Bible's predictive powers as authority for its authenticity, based on loose interpretations of snippets of text. Surely it is more persuasive when a theory is proposed, analysed and subject to detailed examination for dozens of years, and for a subsequent breakthrough discovery to be fully coherent with that theory and the numerous writings, and to refine and detail it with ever increasing precision?
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11/21/2005 07:36:22 PM · #1229 |
I'm going to lighten the mood here with a joke I got over email today:
An ape escaped from the zoo. Eventually, zoo officials found him
reading at the library. He had two books open and a puzzled look on his face.
One book was written by Darwin. The other was the Bible.
When the zookeepers asked him why he was reading, the ape said, "I'm trying to figure out if I'm my brother's keeper or my keeper's brother."
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11/21/2005 08:19:03 PM · #1230 |
| You couldn't resist, could you? People were practically begging for this thread to die. It settled down for 12 hours without a response and you had to open it up again with a joke? What are you? A sadist? |
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11/22/2005 03:36:02 AM · #1231 |
Originally posted by legalbeagle:
Until we need it to be expanding, contracting or folding in some new way and another verse has to be drummed into action with a new interpretation to explain away another Biblical "revelation" that until then had gone unnoticed... |
I previously responded to this in the thread. |
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11/22/2005 11:54:02 AM · #1232 |
Today is the anniversary of an important event that is related to this thread!
Congratulations to all!
-the sadist |
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11/22/2005 01:08:02 PM · #1233 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
Today is the anniversary of an important event that is related to this thread!
Congratulations to all!
-the sadist |
The discovery that non carnivourous T-Rex's got scurvy? |
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11/22/2005 01:19:55 PM · #1234 |
Originally posted by pidge:
The discovery that non carnivourous T-Rex's got scurvy? |
Nope. The first edition of Darwin's "Origin of the species". in 1859 I think (heard on NPR this morning on my way to work) |
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11/22/2005 01:23:28 PM · #1235 |
Originally posted by srdanz:
Originally posted by pidge:
The discovery that non carnivourous T-Rex's got scurvy? |
Nope. The first edition of Darwin's "Origin of the species". in 1859 I think (heard on NPR this morning on my way to work) |
Sheeit, beat me to it! Give us some time, dude. I was looking!
R. |
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11/22/2005 01:42:48 PM · #1236 |
and now my joke was twice as funny. :)
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12/08/2005 01:55:29 PM · #1237 |
Getting back to some of the prophecy discussions.....
//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10381451/from/RS.5/
It appears that some early prophecy may yet come to pass as the "power from the north" is bent on the destruction of Israel. It also gives a whole different take on our "positioning" in that part of the world should we be required to interceede or assist an ally, regardless of how we got there.
Of course another option could be to simply ignore the rehtoric, ignore Iran's acquisition of nuculear material, and ignore the positioning of Islamic vs. Christian/jewish claims on Jerusalam realestate. It does seem odd to me that such fervor (read palestinian/arab irritance of Israel's pressence) continues against the Jewish state. The west's (read america's) alliance with Israel is often mentioned as a reason we are hated in Muslim/arab communities/countries. If scripture is prophetic and if a world battle will ultimately be fought over what is written as "God's" throne on earth, then ignoring this kind of world event may not be wise.
If this is a prelim to a prophecy fullfillment, then perhaps we should take a look at where we personally stand on some other important matters regarding our relationship with our Father. The CHOICE is ours to make.
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12/08/2005 02:08:40 PM · #1238 |
Has the concept of self-fulfilling prophecy occured to you?
If all those d***ed verses would vanish from the Earth and people's memories all at once, we could get back to our jobs and farms and quit killing each other. It is mainly the "true believers" on both sides who are driving us towards war -- most ordinary people would rather garden or play music than worry about some foreigner's religious practices. |
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12/08/2005 02:53:24 PM · #1239 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Has the concept of self-fulfilling prophecy occured to you?
If all those d***ed verses would vanish from the Earth and people's memories all at once, we could get back to our jobs and farms and quit killing each other. It is mainly the "true believers" on both sides who are driving us towards war -- most ordinary people would rather garden or play music than worry about some foreigner's religious practices. |
Originally posted by Candide by Voltaire:
The little society, one and all, entered into this laudable design and set themselves to exert their different talents. The little piece of ground yielded them a plentiful crop. Cunegund indeed was very ugly, but she became an excellent hand at pastrywork: Pacquette embroidered; the old woman had the care of the linen. There was none, down to Brother Giroflee, but did some service; he was a very good carpenter, and became an honest man. Pangloss used now and then to say to Candide:
"There is a concatenation of all events in the best of possible worlds; for, in short, had you not been kicked out of a fine castle for the love of Miss Cunegund; had you not been put into the Inquisition; had you not traveled over America on foot; had you not run the Baron through the body; and had you not lost all your sheep, which you brought from the good country of El Dorado, you would not have been here to eat preserved citrons and pistachio nuts."
"Excellently observed," answered Candide; "but let us cultivate our garden." |
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12/08/2005 03:20:46 PM · #1240 |
| You want Freedom Fries with that? : ) |
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12/08/2005 04:10:46 PM · #1241 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It is mainly the "true believers" on both sides who are driving us towards war -- most ordinary people would rather garden or play music than worry about some foreigner's religious practices. |
You appropriately used quotes. A true christian abhors war, plain and simple. I'm sure the same is true on the other end of the world. |
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12/08/2005 04:18:24 PM · #1242 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You want Freedom Fries with that? : ) |
Ick! French fries, misnamed as they originate in Belgium, for me - smothered in ketchup. |
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12/08/2005 04:20:51 PM · #1243 |
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
You want Freedom Fries with that? : ) |
Ick! French fries, misnamed as they originate in Belgium, for me - smothered in ketchup. |
Somehow, Brussels Fries just doesn't have the same panache ...
Actually, I kind-of like the kind you get with fish-n-chips, with malt vinegar, though I've never had them in England.
Message edited by author 2005-12-08 16:21:52. |
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12/08/2005 04:32:34 PM · #1244 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Somehow, Brussels Fries just doesn't have the same panache ... |
I wonder if the House cafeterias have considered changing to the name Insurgency Fries yet ...
Message edited by author 2005-12-08 17:23:10. |
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12/08/2005 08:29:55 PM · #1245 |
| I guess I believe in reincarnation now lol this thread is alive... ITS ALIVE! |
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12/08/2005 09:30:21 PM · #1246 |
| OK...here's the plan. Let's post a link to this on the "Kill this thread" thread, and see if we can't kill that one by luring everyone over here. |
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12/08/2005 09:34:06 PM · #1247 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
OK...here's the plan. Let's post a link to this on the "Kill this thread" thread, and see if we can't kill that one by luring everyone over here. |
Lol |
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12/11/2005 08:13:05 AM · #1248 |
Originally posted by greatandsmall:
OK...here's the plan. Let's post a link to this on the "Kill this thread" thread, and see if we can't kill that one by luring everyone over here. |
Done.
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12/11/2005 12:31:30 PM · #1249 |
| Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeow |
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12/12/2005 12:33:18 PM · #1250 |
From WSJ:
"Supreme Court Agrees to Hear Texas Redistricting Case The Supreme Court agreed to hear a challenge to the 2003 Texas redistictricting that helped Republicans get a firmer grip on the U.S. House. Democrats and other opponents claim that the redrawing of the political map in Texas, engineered by Rep. Tom DeLay, then the House majority leader, was unconstitutional. Though the Justice Department approved the plan, its staff lawyers decided that it diluted minority voting power."
there is hope after all... |
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