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12/07/2005 06:35:48 PM · #151 |
For those that voted low because of the "danger" factor - I just don't buy it. Did you vote lower on this blue ribbon shot because of the photographer's safety? In this shot the photographer could have EASILY fallen over and DIED - not just gotten a few specks of metal in their eye.
Maybe it's because it's a cute girl though... you sayin' Joey Lawrence isn't cute enough to care about his safety? Whoa!
Message edited by author 2005-12-07 18:36:24. |
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12/07/2005 06:46:45 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by megatherian:
For those that voted low because of the "danger" factor - I just don't buy it. Did you vote lower on this blue ribbon shot because of the photographer's safety? In this shot the photographer could have EASILY fallen over and DIED - not just gotten a few specks of metal in their eye.
Maybe it's because it's a cute girl though... you sayin' Joey Lawrence isn't cute enough to care about his safety? Whoa! |
For those unfamilar with firefighting, the steeple raise is a traditional excercise and actually a rather safe procedure.
AUDITORIUM RAISE
(also, church raise or steeple raise) A system of extending a ladder perpendicular and holding it in place from four opposite points of the compass by four guy ropes attached to the top of the ladder.
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12/07/2005 06:53:53 PM · #153 |
As a student of Americana and history, I loved the pinup feel here. Your only problem was in the genre you selected.
You were depending on people knowing and understanding the pin up genre. Anyone who's not a fan or knowledgeable is not going to make the connection. For them, the nudity appears to have no place and is gratuitious.
That's not good or bad, just is. You did a great job overall in getting your message across. That's always something to take pride in. :) |
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12/07/2005 07:27:56 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by Jammur:
Now remember the basic rules:
No hitting below the tool belt. |
Gonna have to agree here... there are people that disagree... AND... that is good.
Oh, wait a minute... what tool belt? LOL
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12/07/2005 07:32:53 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by Jammur:
...For those unfamilar with firefighting, the steeple raise is a traditional excercise and actually a rather safe procedure.
AUDITORIUM RAISE
(also, church raise or steeple raise) A system of extending a ladder perpendicular and holding it in place from four opposite points of the compass by four guy ropes attached to the top of the ladder. |
Interesting, but it missed my point. Perhaps THIS will work! HA! There's no way you can tell me this guy is safe!
(oh great, now I think I missed my point) |
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12/07/2005 07:42:35 PM · #156 |
Nooo, don't do it man, it's just NOT worth it. Think of the kids (he he, get it kids). :-)
Originally posted by megatherian:
Interesting, but it missed my point. Perhaps THIS will work! HA! There's no way you can tell me this guy is safe!
(oh great, now I think I missed my point) |
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12/07/2005 07:44:48 PM · #157 |
| My first thought was, "OK, someone else is using sex for votes." As I kept looking at it to decide how to vote, I really had to make a decision on whether or not she was real. Her skin, except for her face, looks like wax to me. That was my main distraction. Is it art? Yes. Is it to my taste? No, but I would have scored it high had it stirred an emotion in me and been technically great. I'm not sure I should have to decide if the model is a person or mannequin, and either way I didn't like the yellowish skin tone. |
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12/07/2005 08:10:50 PM · #158 |
Well I guess I will chime in and keep your post going. :-)
I took the photo to be a very well done art peice. I voted it a 7. Although I dont agree to her being Nude with no eye protection just because of the danger of her getting a serious injury. However we all sacrafice for our art huh. :-) Anyway I'd be dang proud to finish as well as you did. This is a tough crowd to please. You have to be nearly perfect and be PC so to speak IMHO to get a Ribbon, either that or have a style thats recognized and have folks vote for who you are, or who they think it is. Be proud of your art, these scores in reality are meaningless unless you make them meaningful. I like to use the sight to make me think about things I normally wouldnt shoot.
MattO
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12/07/2005 08:27:14 PM · #159 |
Not a perfect shot, but definatly art. And definatly good work. Great composition. Skin tones may be considered "off" but in view of available light and reflection from the grinder sparks may be dead on. The "mannequin" look? If it was intended, it works. This was meant to be an abstract of sorts and exact documentary style photography is niether warrented nor desired.
I think the shot may have been stronger if the girl was wearing safety glasses, but from a safety point of view I can't remember how many times in my life I have picked up a side grinder or put something on the bench grinder for a quick touch without glasses. I don't recomend it, but out of mere expedience it is a rather common practice.
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12/07/2005 08:44:53 PM · #160 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
The challenge was for an Industrial Feel, not for an actual industrial locale. |
Well the problem with this photo is it lacks the "industrial feel" and there really isn't a clever idea or interesting story behind the shot to help overcome any anti-nudity backlash. It just "seems" like nudity for nudity sake hence why many would rank it very low just because of that.
For me the whole photo was just too soft and warm and when I think of industrial I think of cold, harsh and edgy. Perhaps if the two opposites were emphasized better this might have worked, IMO.
As for the score, I think it got what it should have. You could make the argument that this didn't deserve the 9's and 10's it got so overall I think it averaged out just right. However, looking at how everything got voted it seems people just wanted to see smoke stacks win. I thought there were several other interesting takes that should have been ranked better so perhaps you just picked the wrong time to be more creative.
Message edited by author 2005-12-07 20:46:10. |
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12/08/2005 12:46:54 PM · #161 |
Any more down side critiques? I loved the compliments, but I want more of the other side.
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12/08/2005 12:56:05 PM · #162 |
Honestly? First thought when I saw it was someone is trying to shoehorn a pretty naked lady into the challenge. Thought it was too much of a 'sell it to the voters with sex' type image.
There you go...more ammo to get this thread hopping a little while longer. ;^)
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Any more down side critiques? I loved the compliments, but I want more of the other side. |
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12/08/2005 01:43:15 PM · #163 |
The juxtaposition of soft vs. hard was not lost on me as I pointed out in my comment, I didn't think it hit the mark and felt too contrived.
This shot reminded me of the grinder girl on David Letterman and came off as trashy.
Don't read 'trashy' as 'offended by nudity', hardly - would like to see more risks taken in that subject here!
I also find it funny that you are whining so much about your showing especially when I look at the title you gave the thread: "This is ART People", har!
Seeking reassurance and need a hug? I think you could have read the comments done in voting to get your warm and fuzzies.
Your shock at your score just tells me you are still wearing the rose colored glasses (safety glasses?). |
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12/08/2005 01:54:41 PM · #164 |
Originally posted by rswank:
This shot reminded me of the grinder girl on David Letterman and came off as trashy.
Don't read 'trashy' as 'offended by nudity', hardly - would like to see more risks taken in that subject here! |
I don't recall the grinder girl on Letterman. Definitely worth a little research to see what you are talking about.
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12/08/2005 02:11:37 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by rswank:
This shot reminded me of the grinder girl on David Letterman and came off as trashy.
Don't read 'trashy' as 'offended by nudity', hardly - would like to see more risks taken in that subject here! |
I don't recall the grinder girl on Letterman. Definitely worth a little research to see what you are talking about. |
I had the same thought when I first saw this picture too... Grindergirl.com |
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12/08/2005 02:17:33 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
I had the same thought when I first saw this picture too... Grindergirl.com |
Very Interesting... nope, definitely never seen this before. OK, those shots are a tad freaky :-) Thanks, MQuinn.
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