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01/04/2006 08:35:27 PM · #26 |
I am one of the people who works hard on the integrity of the shot fitting the challenge...to me, that IS the challenge.
If a shot is excellant, but dnmc, I do not score any higher then a 5. In my mind, at least 50% of the challenge has not been met.
I know the title is part of the package, but a picture should speak a thousand words, no? |
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01/04/2006 08:36:06 PM · #27 |
An excellent suggestion. Will you start a thread in the "Site Suggestions" forum, or shall I?
Geez, people... I never said that the titles were irrevelant to the photo, irrevelant to the challenge, or weren't considered in my voting. They're probably the least important aspect, but they are an aspect.
Where I do draw the line is when the title is "Father Time," and it's a picture of a watch, entered in the "Father" challenge. To me, that's just too tenious of a link to the challenge. Now if you got an 80 year old guy with long white hair and a beard, dressed him in a robe, and handed him an hourglass, and called that "Father Time" then you're perfectly fine.
This is all IMHO, and as a voter, I have the right to draw that line. I tire of photos which I think are shoehorned into the challenge with a relevant title. If you want to take an awesome shot of a watch and enter it in the "Father" challenge, then be my guest... you have that 'right'. But don't expect me to not exercise my 'right' to give you a 3.
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01/04/2006 08:38:53 PM · #28 |
From the basic challenge rules:
"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly. "
I understand that many challenges are open to interpretation, but in cases where the picture clearly doesn't meet the challenge, if one follows the voting rules, it is hard to justify a high score if it doesn't meet the challenge no matter how beautiful the picture is. You can alway share a favorite shot in a forum or portfolio for people to enjoy, without submitting it to a challenge where it doesn't belong.
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01/04/2006 08:44:01 PM · #29 |
But the point is, some people will see a link to the challenge that other people won't.
It could be through one's own personal experiences, experiences which are shared by the photographer, or it could be through a different upbringing, place of residence, the list goes on. Just because one person says a photo does not meet the challenge, it doesn't mean that the photo should be regarded as a waste of space, disrespecting other photos, etc.
Everyone sees and interprets things differently. Until you can get into the mind of the photographer, you will never know what he or she is thinking in regards to meeting the challenge.
This is why I think titles are important, to give background information on what the photographer was thinking, which could not be displayed in the photo.
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01/04/2006 08:45:17 PM · #30 |
| With all respect to everyones humble opinion and right to excercise it, I find it troubling that in a place where artistic interpretation and vision should be valued and promoted, instead it's attacked. To me it's another case of 'fast food' gratification. Enter your pic, but don't make me think too hard or else... :) |
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01/04/2006 08:48:12 PM · #31 |
| Of the Top 20 Oops! entries, I felt 5 (that's 25%) were dependent on the title. I don't think this is wrong however. The challenge is really one where the title becomes important. I wouldn't single this picture out anymore than any other. I think it's an excellent shot (though I didn't vote this challenge). |
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01/04/2006 08:53:33 PM · #32 |
| Hmmm, This kinda makes me wonder.. Would this be DNMC for the oops challenge? Silent Escape |
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01/04/2006 08:56:52 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by MQuinn:
Hmmm, This kinda makes me wonder.. Would this be DNMC for the oops challenge? Silent Escape |
Should enter this one in the 'Spider On A Counter' challenge... :) |
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01/04/2006 09:21:05 PM · #34 |
So much to squabble about.
In the end, majority rules. If you thought DNMC was a significant flaw in the photo, then you voted accordingly. No amount of bitching and moaning is going to convert others to your way of thinking. Your way isn't RIGHT. It's just YOURS. General you, in all instances.
FTR, I would have voted it a 2 or 3 because I believe it displays flagrant disregard for the challenge, but I just don't think that gives me a right to bitch because others voted differently. Everyone gets one vote. You used yours and that's all your entitled to.
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01/04/2006 09:29:22 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Qart:
With all respect to everyones humble opinion and right to excercise it, I find it troubling that in a place where artistic interpretation and vision should be valued and promoted, instead it's attacked. To me it's another case of 'fast food' gratification. Enter your pic, but don't make me think too hard or else... :) |
It doesn't have anything to do with thinking too hard. In fact, if I am going to DNMC a photo I spend probably 3-4 times more time looking at it before I make a DNMC comment than I would on any other photo. I try hard, but when the photographer didn't try hard to meet the challenge, then I'm not going to reward them. |
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01/04/2006 09:50:17 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Everyone sees and interprets things differently. Until you can get into the mind of the photographer, you will never know what he or she is thinking in regards to meeting the challenge. |
Yes there are grey areas, but there IS also still black and white, too. Some things are SO way outside of the topic that no sane excuse can be manufactured to justify their inclusion in a particular challenge.
In this very case - the tiger photo - we even have a written "admission" by the photographer himself...... how can you STILL try to justify THAT? |
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01/04/2006 09:52:09 PM · #37 |
The photo wasn't taken with the challenge in mind, but nor are some of my shots (including my 2nd highest scoring photo ever), however this doesn't mean that there is no link to the challenge.
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01/04/2006 10:00:36 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Konador:
The photo wasn't taken with the challenge in mind, but nor are some of my shots (including my 2nd highest scoring photo ever), however this doesn't mean that there is no link to the challenge. |
I have been lucky at times too... a challenge came up that I happened to have a photo that truly fit it.
However, I did not have to RELY on the title to (vaguely) justify my pics existence in it, the photo itself actually did FIT.
Message edited by author 2006-01-04 22:01:16. |
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01/04/2006 10:01:02 PM · #39 |
this is correct, and this is why i stick with humor mostly because at least it makes me happy and it puts smile on some faces. Winning in DPC is not everything in life (at least for me), so i guess lets see how much fun we can extract out of this.
Originally posted by just-married:
So much to squabble about.
In the end, majority rules. If you thought DNMC was a significant flaw in the photo, then you voted accordingly. No amount of bitching and moaning is going to convert others to your way of thinking. Your way isn't RIGHT. It's just YOURS. General you, in all instances.
FTR, I would have voted it a 2 or 3 because I believe it displays flagrant disregard for the challenge, but I just don't think that gives me a right to bitch because others voted differently. Everyone gets one vote. You used yours and that's all your entitled to. |
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01/04/2006 10:07:13 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by Konador:
The photo wasn't taken with the challenge in mind, but nor are some of my shots (including my 2nd highest scoring photo ever), however this doesn't mean that there is no link to the challenge. |
I have been lucky at times too... a challenge came up that I happened to have a photo that truly fit it.
However, I did not have to RELY on the title to (vaguely) justify my pics existence in it, the photo itself actually did FIT. |
Fair enough, but you admit that, even if vaguely, the photo with the title does fit the challenge. So I see nothing wrong with it. If it was a "Human Portrait" challenge, and the title was "There's a Human in my Belly!", I would agree with you, DNMC, however "Oops" was open to much more different interpretation with so many endless possibilities.
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01/04/2006 10:11:31 PM · #41 |
| After all being said and done, the point remains..... the tribe has spoken, a good pic will score. |
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01/04/2006 10:18:30 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by gibun:
After all being said and done, the point remains..... the tribe has spoken, a good pic will score. |
That comment is akin to saying....everyone speeds.... so lets keep raising the speed limits till they are too scared to drive.
I fully appreciate the fact that everyone has but one vote, but I personally lend a fair amount of value to the DNMC criteria and as such a photo that in my mind does not meet this basic criteria will NOT score over 5.
As for the argument that challenge descriptions stifle creativity, I would invite each and everyone to visit the "Mother" challenge where there were no restrictions, and show me all of the wonderful innovative "Out of the Box" creations that were entered for our viewing pleasure.
Ray
Message edited by author 2006-01-04 22:42:44. |
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01/04/2006 10:19:30 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by gibun:
After all being said and done, the point remains..... the tribe has spoken, a good pic will score. |
That comment is akin to saying....everyone speeds.... so lets keep raising the speed limits till they are to scared to drive. |
How so?
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01/04/2006 10:20:43 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Fair enough, but you admit that, even if vaguely, the photo with the title does fit the challenge. |
No, I don't - I was talking about what I did NOT have to do to my photo.
In any case, if the only connection your photo has to a challenge is a VAGUE link via title, then it simply should NOT be entered.
There are other ways to share photos that don't make a mockery of other people's efforts.
Originally posted by gibun:
After all being said and done, the point remains..... the tribe has spoken, a good pic will score. |
Yes, sadly it is too late for this one.
But that doesn't mean we should give up in believing in DPC and its philosophy.
I, for one, am too fond of this place to see it turn into a carbon copy of all the other photo sharing sites. |
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01/04/2006 10:26:23 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by gibun:
My good friend and mentor has just proved to whoever is willing to listen that you do not have to meet a challenge to score a 6+. I love him for exposing the fickle nature of the human opinion, the inherent inconsistencies we all suffer from.
Well done Bobby, surely this is the best tiger pic I have ever seen, whether it met the challenge or not. The tribe has spoken.;-)
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I absolutely agree, it one of the best tiger photos that I've seen. That is why I added it when voting, to my favorites, which are few.
However, personally, I did not think it met the challenge, except in title only, therefore I voted that way accordingly. Great image or not.
What saddens me though is that someone would enter on purpose, just to prove a point. Again, it's only my opinion, and this part of the tribe, isn't happy. |
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01/04/2006 10:28:05 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
In any case, if the only connection your photo has to a challenge is a VAGUE link via title, then it simply should NOT be entered.
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Maybe you can be the DNMTFC police.
Jeez......so much over so little. |
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01/04/2006 10:29:49 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by gibun:
After all being said and done, the point remains..... the tribe has spoken, a good pic will score. |
That comment is akin to saying....everyone speeds.... so lets keep raising the speed limits till they are to scared to drive. |
How so? |
Let us start by the premise (bit of a stretch) that people actually read the guidelines. If no one follows the guidelines, why bother having them. When we no longer have any guidelines left, then we may find that the contest truly have no meaning, at least not in the sense that we have a pre-determined set of guidelines to adhere to.
When there are no longer any rules, the tribe will fall victim to anarchy.
Ray |
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01/04/2006 10:30:20 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Originally posted by Beetle:
In any case, if the only connection your photo has to a challenge is a VAGUE link via title, then it simply should NOT be entered.
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Maybe you can be the DNMTFC police.
Jeez......so much over so little. |
soooo.... you think anything should be fair game in a challenge? |
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01/04/2006 10:33:50 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Maybe you can be the DNMTFC police.
Jeez......so much over so little. |
So you are happy to see ANY photo in ANY challenge?
I assume you are not very interested in the challenges then.
By the way..... what exactly does DNMTFC mean? |
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01/04/2006 10:34:15 PM · #50 |
It certainly seems that many people feel the topics are more suggestions than criteria.
What makes the title "I just ate a tourist knife, fork, spoon and all" any more of a stretch than "I forgot to check the weather report". Both are just as "cute" in their own right as they are absurd. |
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