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01/17/2006 06:46:40 AM · #1 |
so my "best of 2005" entry is bombing.
I made the mistake of doing it on sunday evening when I only had my laptop available for editing so it looks totally different on a decent well setup monitor now, blurry and rubbish.
Oh well, I live and learn |
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01/17/2006 07:52:25 AM · #2 |
| Exactly what happenned to me last year.... I will never participate via laptop again! Sorry, buddy, been there! |
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01/17/2006 08:25:43 AM · #3 |
| Oh, and I have only have a laptop to do editing on. The computers at the schools I visit generally have crappy monitors that I wouldn't even vote pictures on. |
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01/17/2006 08:27:44 AM · #4 |
Not all laptops are created equal; some of the high-end ones have decent screens...
R. |
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01/17/2006 08:37:34 AM · #5 |
| I have an ACER laptop, its got a great screen, loads better than my old CRT and probably better than the 19" Dell tft I use at work - its far too contrasty! I am so impressed with my laptop screen I'm thinking of getting a similar TFT for my desktop! |
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01/17/2006 09:00:01 AM · #6 |
| I calibrated my Dell laptop monitor which helped but I notice that it seems to loose the calibration quickly-much faster than my desktop. |
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01/17/2006 09:12:11 AM · #7 |
oh guys it's not only a laptop but a general problem.
also my pc monitor on which i work with ps has a little lack of contrast is really bright, so when i edit pictures they turn out really dark and overprocessed (because of they high contrast)on other monitors and people vote the pics down for that.
but i'm going to resolve that problem ;P
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01/17/2006 09:21:58 AM · #8 |
the lappy monitor is quite well calibrated but being quite a old lappy there is huge variation with even the slightest angle change
Message edited by author 2006-01-17 09:22:14. |
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01/17/2006 09:43:24 AM · #9 |
Problem with Laptop Screens is the angle is varied, thus contrast is varied.
I will often work on a photo on my laptop. Edit it. And knowing that everyone see's my photos as darker on their monitors, I will brighten it more than is nice. And people STILL complain "photo too dark".
It sucks!!!!! It really does!!!
I have a solution! Everyone needs to upgrade! |
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01/17/2006 09:47:15 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
...I have a solution! Everyone needs to upgrade! |
Or...we could all downgrade...
:p
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01/17/2006 10:27:03 AM · #11 |
Simple solution: if you must use a laptop then use a mac; the screen on my iBook is better than almost every other laptop screen that ive ever seen.
If you can use a desktop than do it. |
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01/17/2006 10:27:54 AM · #12 |
The biggest problem that I worry about is that pictures that I edit on my home PC which I trust implicitly look crappy on my Dell laptop because they look oversharpened. It has to be the LCD making them look oversharpened because the home PC monitor is calibrated and lab prints look perfect coming off of it (with no hint of oversharpening in them).
But what really bothers me isn't that my laptop makes images look oversharpened ... but the question of ALL THE OTHER laptops out there that might have the same problem.
And before anyone asks, yes, my laptop is running at it's native resolution. It's a widescreen D800 running at 1920x1200. And except for the oversharpened appearance of images, the colors (a tiny bit more contrasty) match up very well with my home PC. |
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01/17/2006 02:05:35 PM · #13 |
It's also that the gamma curve is completely different. It is linear while it is not on crt. I think there are just a few lcd screens (2000$ and something) that are acceptable for photography (at least for what I expect from a monitor).
I gave my lcd back to the shop because the space I saved was not compensating the loss of affordability in terms of gamma curve (especially the low tones suffer from that).
S.
Originally posted by theSaj:
Problem with Laptop Screens is the angle is varied, thus contrast is varied.
I will often work on a photo on my laptop. Edit it. And knowing that everyone see's my photos as darker on their monitors, I will brighten it more than is nice. And people STILL complain "photo too dark".
It sucks!!!!! It really does!!!
I have a solution! Everyone needs to upgrade! |
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01/17/2006 02:43:45 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by headbgone:
Simple solution: if you must use a laptop then use a mac; the screen on my iBook is better than almost every other laptop screen that ive ever seen. If you can use a desktop than do it. |
Congratulations, you've lived up to the hype. Let's not mind the fact that my Toshiba screen is the same as a Mac. And often the only difference is a coating shield placed over the screen. As is the case, Mac seems to follow the SONY route going for great contrast glossy screens (though not as bad). The truth, is glossy screens suck because they show all the glare. But they look great on the showroom floor. My Toshiba has a dull coat. But I can work under massive flourescent lighting or even outdoors with little to no glare. It's much more productive...
Sadly, Mac & SONY sold more based on their shiny screens. Now even Toshiba has forsaken the dull coat in leiu of the gloss coat cause it's all about selling units.
As for your original comment. The issue I speak of concerns basically all laptops. The fact is, that based on the angle of use the laptop screen's contrast will appear differently. Some people keep their monitors upright, some people tilted back, and some vary. The end result is variance...
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01/17/2006 02:56:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by headbgone:
Simple solution: if you must use a laptop then use a mac; the screen on my iBook is better than almost every other laptop screen that ive ever seen.
If you can use a desktop than do it. |
Not my notebook experience. My iBook (12" G4, bought last Summer) has a very narrow viewing angle before the light falls off and is very unevenly lit as well. I've got a 3+ year old Dell that works better. OTOH, I get great results plugging in a 20" Dell 2001FP LCD monitor into the iBook. It actually makes it useful for photo editing. Normally I use a desktop system for photo editing and the notebook is only used for quick review on trips. |
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03/02/2006 01:28:58 PM · #16 |
| thesaj has a good point. I do have to use my lapop indoors or in a twilight or dark situation outdoors. The screen can be adjusted to get rid of glare outdoors but you cant really get anything done. In the right lighting conditions It is in my opinion the best. |
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03/03/2006 09:04:53 AM · #17 |
I only have a laptop to work on, but I don't see a huge difference between my laptop and the desktop.
Before someone asks, my kid uses the desktop pretty much exclusively. Plus, I only have my Photoshop, Paintshop, etc on my laptop. |
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03/03/2006 09:58:24 AM · #18 |
I feel your pain. My laptop LCD sucks, but then again, the rest of the machine is a POS too. Unusable for any sort of graphics work at all, barely usable for any other work at all.
I do all of that at home on my Mac desktop with Dell LCD.
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03/03/2006 10:12:37 AM · #19 |
| My laptop has a great screen. But how it's angled alters the contrast. |
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03/03/2006 10:17:43 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
My laptop has a great screen. But how it's angled alters the contrast. |
Yup... the company gave me one of these Fujitsu 7020D w/2G ram the Crystal View LCDs are a lot more forgiving on the viewing angle but it is still important for proper contrast.
ED: I do most all my edits on my calibrated 19" Samsung but could vote fairly using my laptop.
Message edited by author 2006-03-03 10:25:35.
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03/03/2006 11:46:03 AM · #21 |
i just try to look at ribbon winners and compare them to my entries.....in relation to color, darkness, contrast, sharpness. If I can look at ribbon winners and some I say "That looks a bit dark" and others I say "That looks a bit bright", then odds are your monitor is okay, because the masses are accepting darker and brighter images than you might enter yourself. make sense?
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03/03/2006 12:19:32 PM · #22 |
consider that monitors are adjustable, so why don't you folks try to learn how to adjust them, the key is to come up with a color correct reference such as a match print of the adobe ole no morie photo of the woman in the fruit hat with color swatches. That will at least get you into the ballpark.
And note this, a color correct monitor will not look that good for other things...
also, there is a new calibrator out or coming out that will cost some 80-90$... cheap...way... to....get...it...right... |
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