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03/13/2006 10:00:08 AM · #76 |
| I mean there should be some other, future challenge, that people who entered this one don't get to enter, as a make-up challenge for those of us excluded from this one. Otherwise, you get more challenges ... there has never before been a challenge where people were prohibited from entering because of the equipment they had. |
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03/13/2006 10:00:23 AM · #77 |
Here we go again!
More bitching and moaning about challenge entries/descriptions/DNMC etc etc etc.
Just take a picture.
2 seconds or 30 seconds, I don't care.
Just stop complaing. |
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03/13/2006 10:00:50 AM · #78 |
I know it was said before - but is worth repeating: You can't be DQ'd for not following the challenge guidelines.
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03/13/2006 10:04:36 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy:
Oh Please... surely you can do a better job of rationalizing cheating than that! |
I suppose I could... but I have a hangover and that was the best my pounding head could muster. Maybe later.
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03/13/2006 10:05:53 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by idnic:
I know it was said before - but is worth repeating: You can't be DQ'd for not following the challenge guidelines. |
On this one it should be.
Tkae the last speed challenge, All the voters know what has to be in the shot as part of the challenge. If they don't see it they can vote it down.
If I gave you an assignment to go shoot a 2 sec photo and you came back and showed me a photo that you took using a 1.5 seconds, I'd fail you.
Do you guys want to get better at photography or cheating?
Message edited by author 2006-03-13 10:06:53.
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03/13/2006 10:09:14 AM · #81 |
| I can never believe how much everyone tries to twist and distort what the challenge is every week. And we fianlly get one that requires zero translation and everyone flips out and tries to manipulate it... Go out and shoot a 2 sec. shot. If you can't... better luck next week. |
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03/13/2006 10:13:53 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I mean there should be some other, future challenge, that people who entered this one don't get to enter, as a make-up challenge for those of us excluded from this one. Otherwise, you get more challenges ... there has never before been a challenge where people were prohibited from entering because of the equipment they had. |
You mean like a P&S only challange? I think that would be a great idea! :D
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03/13/2006 10:16:58 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I mean there should be some other, future challenge, that people who entered this one don't get to enter, as a make-up challenge for those of us excluded from this one. Otherwise, you get more challenges ... there has never before been a challenge where people were prohibited from entering because of the equipment they had. |
You mean like a P&S only challange? I think that would be a great idea! :D |
No, I don't care what kind of camera the people use ... I care that people who enter this challenge are barred from that one; like the "Exclusive" challenges, but just not run concurrently. We did something like that back when we ran some challenges open only to ribbon-winners ... |
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03/13/2006 10:18:06 AM · #84 |
OK, this thread is getting ridiculous... what was stated as tips to help those that might have otherwise been forced to the sidelines has been twisted and now people are calling for DQ's and lists of possible cheaters (WTF?)... oh good lord...
I have a hangover, but good grief some of you people need a DRINK!
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03/13/2006 10:29:42 AM · #85 |
Dang, and I just did a 3 second shot yesterday. However, I enjoyed it so much, I will certainly enjoy this challenge!
If I was still using my Fuji Finepix P&S, I probably would have bowed out of this one. I am not sure how a 2 second exposure would have worked on that in any setting. However, I may have just did the old "photography is an illusion" thing and entered a shot anyway. I seriously doubt many could tell the difference. But it is a drag when one feels a contest has come up where they want to enter to the best of their ability but don't have the equipment. I went through those withdrawls many times. Hence, the purchase of my new camera this year. I'm having a blast with it too!
For those that have cameras that don't do long exposures, I would just suggest doing your best rendition of one! It's basically another free study, and you can't be DQ'ed for not using the 2 second exposure, so what the heck! Just lighten up and go take a shot of something you love!
Rose
Message edited by author 2006-03-13 10:32:25. |
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03/13/2006 10:39:25 AM · #86 |
This is going to be interesting. How are voters going to know what a 2-second exposure looks like? I'm trying to personally visualize what kind of image to take and several things come to mind. I can go with a low light situation, or medium light with ND filters, motion blur, a "ghost" shot, or an over-exposed high-key type image. So many ways to go, so I'm wondering as a voter - how will you know what is or isn't a bonafide 2-second exposure?
This has the feel of a free-study written all over it. ;^)
Message edited by author 2006-03-13 10:40:04.
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03/13/2006 10:42:00 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
This is going to be interesting. How are voters going to know what a 2-second exposure looks like? I'm trying to personally visualize what kind of image to take and several things come to mind. I can go with a low light situation, or medium light with ND filters, motion blur, a "ghost" shot, or an over-exposed high-key type image. So many ways to go, so I'm wondering as a voter - how will you know what is or isn't a bonafide 2-second exposure?
This has the feel of a free-study written all over it. ;^) |
Then why even bother stating a 2 second exposure rule?
Message edited by author 2006-03-13 10:42:10.
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03/13/2006 10:42:35 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
This is going to be interesting. How are voters going to know what a 2-second exposure looks like? I'm trying to personally visualize what kind of image to take and several things come to mind. I can go with a low light situation, or medium light with ND filters, motion blur, a "ghost" shot, or an over-exposed high-key type image. So many ways to go, so I'm wondering as a voter - how will you know what is or isn't a bonafide 2-second exposure?
This has the feel of a free-study written all over it. ;^) |
This actually is a free study, and to me, I know I won't be able to tell the difference. Yesterday I did a 3 second exposure, and a ghost shot was the result. (My first time! It was SO exciting!)..anyway, I would expect if others WANT some to know that is a longer exposure, many many ghost type shots will be the result. However, it is still a free study, and all you mention will most likely be in the mix. I agree. I am going to predict close to 400 entries on this one :) |
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03/13/2006 10:43:29 AM · #89 |
Just needs a well composed, well lit portrait of two boxing seconds, carrying the spit buckets, towels and stools.
Then you'd have taken a photograph, using a shutter speed, of exactly 2 seconds posiing for you.
No restrictions on the camera used at all, no cheating, just creative use of punctuation.
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03/13/2006 10:47:27 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
This is going to be interesting. How are voters going to know what a 2-second exposure looks like? I'm trying to personally visualize what kind of image to take and several things come to mind. I can go with a low light situation, or medium light with ND filters, motion blur, a "ghost" shot, or an over-exposed high-key type image. So many ways to go, so I'm wondering as a voter - how will you know what is or isn't a bonafide 2-second exposure?
This has the feel of a free-study written all over it. ;^) |
Then why even bother stating a 2 second exposure rule? |
I too wonder this. I mean, I think it is just so others will learn how to use the 2 second exposure. However, I think it is too difficult for council to sift through God knows how many entries and make sure they are 2 second exposures. It is more of a learning thing by DPC and then the voters take over from there as to ribbon placements.
Look at the winner for the Shallow DOF challenge of a person in the crowd. That wasn't shallow DOF, but was still a winning shot due to the voters. I too thought it was a GREAT shot. However, I think the bottom line for what DPC puts up for challenges is just to get people out there and learning their camera skills. The rest is in the hands of the voters as to ribbons.
Council certainly can't hang around all day and sift through the cheaters or if a photo was a 1 second or a 3 second, etc. The rules are there are NO DQ's for not meeting challenge guidelines. So that tells you that you can't be DQ'ed even if you use a 1600 or 4000 shutter speed. If the voters like it, it will ribbon, but the idea is too learn about your camera settings in my opinion.
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03/13/2006 11:01:58 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
This is going to be interesting. How are voters going to know what a 2-second exposure looks like? I'm trying to personally visualize what kind of image to take and several things come to mind. I can go with a low light situation, or medium light with ND filters, motion blur, a "ghost" shot, or an over-exposed high-key type image. So many ways to go, so I'm wondering as a voter - how will you know what is or isn't a bonafide 2-second exposure?
This has the feel of a free-study written all over it. ;^) |
Then why even bother stating a 2 second exposure rule? |
You missed the intention of my post.
I'm very much a "rule" follower. I certainly plan to take a 2-second exposure but part of what I'm having a hard time getting a handle on is what a "typical" 2-second exposure looks like. As I mentioned, there are several scenarios playing out in my mind for possibilities. So, part 1 of my intention was to hopefully get some clarification on what a "typical" image would be for this in the minds of the voters (the client).
Part 2 of my post intention is to get people thinking about how difficult this challenge will be to vote on. How will one know if the image you're looking at is a bonafide 2-second exposure, or if it's an illusion? I mean, after all, if there are so many possibilities for challenge submissions - how can a voter possible know who "cheated" (in the words of others) and who didn't.
I guess in the long run it really won't be so difficult to vote on after all because I don't see how anyone can be concerned about DNMC. Voting this go around will be about image quality only (no visible requirements). Sounding more like a free-study all the time...after all, who's going to know by looking at the image?
Should be interesting. Actually, it already is! ;^)
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03/13/2006 11:10:16 AM · #92 |
You can't tell by looking at the image how long the shutter speed was. The lighting you choose will have a lot to do with that. The pic here was shot this morning in a pitch black room with no light source expect the Lightsphere on my 420ex flash. I got lucky that the dog held perfectly still for the 2 seconds. I doubt anyone could tell from looking at it that is was a 2 sec. exposure - and this has NO post-processing toher than converting from RAW
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03/13/2006 11:19:36 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
You can't tell by looking at the image how long the shutter speed was. The lighting you choose will have a lot to do with that. The pic here was shot this morning in a pitch black room with no light source expect the Lightsphere on my 420ex flash. I got lucky that the dog held perfectly still for the 2 seconds. I doubt anyone could tell from looking at it that is was a 2 sec. exposure - and this has NO post-processing toher than converting from RAW
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My first impression looking at this image knowing that it's supposed to be a 2-second exposure would be "no way". Not because of lighting, but because there isn't any movement. Rare to get an animal to sit perfectly still for 2 seconds.
I'm not trying to be a wise-guy with this comment. Just making an observation based on initial reaction. You've made a good point - not is all as it seems. This could be tricky. ;^)
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03/13/2006 11:25:32 AM · #94 |
About Pugs example... she staes she used low light and a lightsphere on a flash. This effectively limits the exposure to the amount of time the flash fired and caused what was a 2-second open aperture to appear as a much higher shutter speed.
Flash is good for freezing action. And remember, shutter speed has no affect of flash exposure. Aperture alone controls flash exposure.
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03/13/2006 11:28:30 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
About Pugs example... she staes she used low light and a lightsphere on a flash. This effectively limits the exposure to the amount of time the flash fired and caused what was a 2-second open aperture to appear as a much higher shutter speed.
Flash is good for freezing action. And remember, shutter speed has no affect of flash exposure. Aperture alone controls flash exposure. |
Yea, that's what I was thinking, if there was only light for 1/600th sec then the exposure (to light) was only 1/600th sec not 2 sec. And the challenge is confusing, cause the title says use a 2 sec exposure but the description says use a 2 sec shutter speed.
Message edited by author 2006-03-13 11:31:29. |
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03/13/2006 11:30:31 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
You can't tell by looking at the image how long the shutter speed was. The lighting you choose will have a lot to do with that. The pic here was shot this morning in a pitch black room with no light source expect the Lightsphere on my 420ex flash. I got lucky that the dog held perfectly still for the 2 seconds. I doubt anyone could tell from looking at it that is was a 2 sec. exposure - and this has NO post-processing toher than converting from RAW
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This is a good example of a shot that wouldn't do very well. yes it might technically meet the challenge but the fact that it is a 2 second exposure is entirely secondary (sic) to the image. A good shot is one that takes the 2 second theme and makes the picture about that and just happens to be a two second exposure as well (or maybe not) |
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03/13/2006 11:36:45 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
You can't tell by looking at the image how long the shutter speed was. The lighting you choose will have a lot to do with that. The pic here was shot this morning in a pitch black room with no light source expect the Lightsphere on my 420ex flash. I got lucky that the dog held perfectly still for the 2 seconds. I doubt anyone could tell from looking at it that is was a 2 sec. exposure - and this has NO post-processing toher than converting from RAW
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since you were in a pitch black room and used a flash, the dog only was still for a fraction of a second as the camera oly records the dog while the flash is on, and in the dark you only record noise for the rest of the 2sec :)
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03/13/2006 11:40:35 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by bluenova:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
About Pugs example... she staes she used low light and a lightsphere on a flash. This effectively limits the exposure to the amount of time the flash fired and caused what was a 2-second open aperture to appear as a much higher shutter speed.
Flash is good for freezing action. And remember, shutter speed has no affect of flash exposure. Aperture alone controls flash exposure. |
Yea, that's what I was thinking, if there was only light for 1/600th sec then the exposure (to light) was only 1/600th sec not 2 sec. And the challenge is confusing, cause the title says use a 2 sec exposure but the description says use a 2 sec shutter speed. |
So is it a 2 sec exposure or a 2 sec shutter speed (or both) that's required?
:EDIT: to add:
Sorry I'm autistic and need clarification. May be I'm reading to much into it.
Message edited by author 2006-03-13 11:42:00. |
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03/13/2006 11:41:19 AM · #99 |
The Dude: Mattmac, ya know, it's fotoman_forever, so his exposure was under 2 seconds by a little, big deal. It's just a Challenge, man.
mattmac: Dude, this is a Member Challenge, this determines who wins a ribbon. Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
fotoman_forever: Yeah, but I wasn't that far under. Gimme the mouse Dude, I'm marking it 8.
mattmac: [pulls out a gun] fotoman_forever, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
The Dude: mattmac...
mattmac: You mark that photo an 8, and you're entering a world of pain.
fotoman_forever: I'm not...
mattmac: A world of pain.
fotoman_forever: Dude, he's your friend...
mattmac: [shouting] Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh|t about the rules? Mark it zero!
The Dude: Langdon's calling the cops, put the piece away.
mattmac: Mark it zero!
[points gun in fotoman_forever's face]
The Dude: mattmac...
mattmac: [shouting] You think I'm f!@#$ing around here? Mark it zero!
fotoman_forever: All right, it's f!@#$ing zero. Are you happy, you crazy f@#k?
mattmac: ...It's a Member Challenge, fotoman_forever.
The Big DPC-owski.
Disclaimer: This has been modified from the original script. Any mention of DPCers is merely for humorous effect, satire if you will. I do not know the DPCers mentioned. I do not own a gun. I do believe in rules. |
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03/13/2006 11:41:29 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by Brent_Ward:
If your teacher in photography class gave you an assignment to shoot a photo with a 2 sec exposure and you shot one for 1 second. What do you think your grade would be? This is a clear assignment, I'm amazed at all the people who think shooting anything but a 2 second exposure should be okay. |
Completely agree. Sorry SC's but I think you job is to verify every photo for 2 seconds, if it's not 2 sec then the SC's have a duty to DQ it. A fair challenge, maybe not but it is a very specific requirement, this is far different that DNMC factors. How is that different than changing the time on your camera so the time fits the challenge? Brent well said. |
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