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04/13/2006 01:05:17 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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Except the tax structure is not a % but an absolute amount. I'm almost positive the tax stays the same no matter what the price. So if anything, the higher the price, the less tax is collected as Americans actually, *gasp*, conserve. |
That may be true in the good ole USA... but I can assure you it isn't in this country. The sad truth here is that we export gas to the USA, and consumers there pay less for the stuff than we do here.... go figure.
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04/13/2006 01:14:08 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
Personally I wish gas prices were $10 a gallon. It would force consumers to make wise decisions on vehicle types (no SUVs), promote local agriculture, foster the adoption of renewable fuels (wind & solar), & end the corporate welfare of poor oil companies.
GM̢۪s EV-1 and the subsequent destroying of the program after winning against California̢۪s Zero Emission Mandate prove the EV technology is up to the task of replacing internal combustion engines. |
I shall assume by your comments that:
a) you live in a real small town and can probably walk or bike to work;
b) you don't own your own small business and have a requirement to drive a great deal to generate income to support your family;
c) you live in some southern portion of the globe, where days that you find cold, I am still walking around in my T-shirt and jeans, a factor which in this part of the world does cost a pretty penny, witness my heating bills during the cold months; and lastly,
d) you truly have not studied the costs of generating an alternative fuel source via agricultural bi-products... if you had you might realize that it is virtually a no win situation.
I truly am not against progress, nor do I believe we truly need all of those vehicles on the roads, and yes we do need alternatives... but knee jerk reactions will not save the day. What we need is well thought out, attainable and sustainable solutions.
Just a thought,
Ray
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04/13/2006 01:18:02 PM · #78 |
| all I want to know is when does a discussion become a rant? |
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04/13/2006 01:22:13 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Megatherian:
all I want to know is when does a discussion become a rant? |
I thought it would have gone to rant after my first post up there 6th in line... ;) |
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04/13/2006 01:24:44 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Megatherian:
all I want to know is when does a discussion become a rant? |
I thought it would have gone to rant after my first post up there 6th in line... ;) |
LOL
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04/14/2006 06:45:10 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by theSaj:
Wind & Solar != (not equal) clean, safe, energy with no downsides.
b) New studies have shown that wind farms have a detrimental affect on the environment, both in the killing of many birds & animals. And in causing increase in surface temperatures, localized warming and increased dessertification.
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I'm curious what animals other than birds are killed by wind farms? Rabbits able to jump really high? |
Even the bird issue is something of an urban legend; there is little evidence of significant bird-strikes on wind farms. The risk of collision is no higher than from other man-made (or even, in some instances, natural) structures - and in fact they are significantly less risky than numerous other structures such as power lines and transmission towers.
To my knowledge most of the "wind turbines slaughter birds" nonsense comes from one very poorly-sited wind farm (from memory somewhere in California) which was to do with the particular local ecosystem rather than any significant issue with turbines overall.
It's a huge red herring, but it seems to be very popular with the "global warming is just an invention to cripple American industry" brigade - presumably because they like the irony they perceive in an 'environmentally-responsible' technology killing wildlife. |
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04/14/2006 06:59:07 AM · #82 |
We're paying around 2.79 for regular unleaded unless you go to the cheap places like 7-11.
Fortunately I drive a car that gets good gas mileage- a 5spd 4cyl 99 honda accord. I average 34 miles to the gallon in town and around 37 on the highway believe it or not.
I can go almost a week and a half before having to fill up. What used to cost me 20 dollars when almost on empty, now costs me over 30. Memorial day is coming up, summer is on it's way, I live in a touristy area, it's expected for it to go up.
What bothers me is the up and down the past 2 months. 2 weeks ago we were at 2.20 something, 2 days after that it went up to 2.70, then back down, then back up. You get the picture.
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04/14/2006 08:42:15 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by missinseattle:
We're paying around 2.79 for regular unleaded unless you go to the cheap places like 7-11.
Fortunately I drive a car that gets good gas mileage- a 5spd 4cyl 99 honda accord. I average 34 miles to the gallon in town and around 37 on the highway believe it or not.
I can go almost a week and a half before having to fill up. What used to cost me 20 dollars when almost on empty, now costs me over 30. Memorial day is coming up, summer is on it's way, I live in a touristy area, it's expected for it to go up.
What bothers me is the up and down the past 2 months. 2 weeks ago we were at 2.20 something, 2 days after that it went up to 2.70, then back down, then back up. You get the picture. |
Girl, we are in spring break area for the people who live up north. The people that live here go to Florida, and we get the northerners here at Va. Beach. Traffic will be horendous as well as boosted gas prices!!
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04/14/2006 09:35:09 AM · #84 |
Regular unleaded near 21st Century/Fox, $2.99.
Down the street from my house as Sams Club, $2.89.
Where is our promised alternative fuels that scientists brag about.
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04/14/2006 10:27:32 AM · #85 |
what really ticks me off is ther gas companies stereotype the "rich"
i work in Irvine,CA (i guess its sapposed to be considered a wealthy area) and i live in Tustin, the gas in Irvine at a Chevron station 2 blocks over is atleast 10 Cents more then the Gas in a Tustin Chevron station .
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04/14/2006 10:50:27 AM · #86 |
Maybe people should stop complaining to the gas companies and start complaining to the car manufacturers because of the utterly crap gas consumption of their engines.
Same with other energy like electricity and water. Don't complain about the bill, try to use less.
Just wait what will happen when there is a war with Iran or another billion people in India/China/Indonesia can finally afford a car, moped or motorcycle.
Message edited by author 2006-04-14 10:50:45.
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04/14/2006 12:11:03 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by American_Horse:
Regular unleaded near 21st Century/Fox, $2.99.
Down the street from my house as Sams Club, $2.89.
Where is our promised alternative fuels that scientists brag about. |
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04/14/2006 12:24:45 PM · #88 |
And Prof Fate's alt form of transportation will produce it's own methane which you can capture and heat your house with! :P
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04/14/2006 12:38:04 PM · #89 |
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04/14/2006 12:47:17 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by pidge:
And Prof Fate's alt form of transportation will produce it's own methane which you can capture and heat your house with! :P |
New thread suggestion... What's the price of oats in your neighborhood? |
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04/14/2006 01:43:56 PM · #91 |
How about cars with their own wind turbines?
The speed of the car will move the turbine which will power the car.
We've been studying perpetual motion machines for millenia, why not put all that research to good practical use? |
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04/14/2006 01:47:43 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...perpetual motion machines... |
hahahaha, that's funny. Good one. |
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04/14/2006 05:22:51 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
How about cars with their own wind turbines?
The speed of the car will move the turbine which will power the car.
We've been studying perpetual motion machines for millenia, why not put all that research to good practical use? |
That would work with a jet engine. The combustion itself causes extra airflow.
Simple movement turbines cause to much drag. You need some kind of turbo effect.
Message edited by author 2006-04-14 17:23:08.
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04/14/2006 05:31:21 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
How about cars with their own wind turbines?
The speed of the car will move the turbine which will power the car.
We've been studying perpetual motion machines for millenia, why not put all that research to good practical use? |
That's the hidden problem with wind turbines - get too many up and the wind will cease to exist, and as it slows down perhaps teh earth stops rotating? or the weather stops ...
If you put up a wind turbine and remove energy from the wind, it will ahve less energy on the other side of the turbine, down wind so to speak. How many turbines you need to have a measurable effect is the question.
Reverse Global Warming - a heat pump to pull the excess heat our of the atmosphere. we can pull heat out of the earth (geothermal).
Problem with all this is gas/oil is still too cheap. I looked into going all electric at my house and then generating the electricity I need via wind or solar.
Going all electric gets me a 30% reduced electric rate. So my annual elect bill would be about $2500, $220 a month. A windmill is $35,000 and may not provide all the juice i need (non-windy days, really cold days when the furnace pulls too much). Solar cells are closer to $50,000 - and darkness is an issue, so add in some form of battery bank - cost not researched on this one.
So a 30 year loan on the turbine runs $232 a month, and it probably won't last 30 years, and there is maintenance...
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04/27/2006 03:18:31 PM · #95 |
I payed frikin $3.23 this morning, i couldnt even fill my tank, it costs too much, in Tustin CA 92780
Message edited by author 2006-04-27 15:18:47.
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04/27/2006 03:20:13 PM · #96 |
I get my license friday and need to get a job just so i can drive. bah
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04/27/2006 04:13:51 PM · #97 |
Prices in the Baltimore-Washington area are ranging from a low of about $2.89 at the cheapo off brand stations to as much as $3.59 at the name brand places in the downtown areas. And our largest electric utility is asking for a 72% rate hike this summer. People can't change their lifestyles fast enough to adjust. And it's going to put the brakes on economic growth if it keeps up. Other sectors of the economy, especially retail and services, are going to feel the pinch as consumers have to put more and more of their disposalable income into the gas tank and the electric bill.
Message edited by author 2006-04-27 16:24:21.
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04/27/2006 04:30:09 PM · #98 |
| I knew my prayers that God punish Escalade drivers would work. |
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04/27/2006 04:35:20 PM · #99 |
what drives me crazy is these senators telling us how to save gas by making sure we have air in our tires and or fluids are filled and stuff,
like they care, there making 150.000 Plus a year.
they can act like they care but it doesnt bother them any because 90% of them own stock in the oil industry
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04/27/2006 04:48:45 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by TroyMosley:
like they care, there making 150.000 Plus a year.
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I heard that when you break down their salary by the number of hours they put in its $1700.00 per hour!
That is such BS!
Oh well... |
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