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04/26/2006 01:52:48 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
i think DPC has a very clear style that's obviously favoured by voters. For instance, well composed, well lit, technically sound photos of interesting/appealing subjects tend to score well. On the other hand, poorly lit, badly photochopped, blurry images of your cat will tend to get lower votes.
People are weird like that on this site. |
You forgot oversharpened and Neat Imaged to pieces :) |
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04/26/2006 01:53:40 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by kiwiness:
You forgot oversharpened and Neat Imaged to pieces :) |
YEAH THATS ME!
LMAO |
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04/26/2006 01:53:50 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by pidge:
[quote=karmabreeze] The link is incorrect, but you do know that outakes are not permitted while a challenge is being voted on? |
I didn't think that would apply if I didn't participate in the challenge in any way? The whole purpose of the outtake rule is to avoid tipping people off about which photo is yours. None are mine. Ergo... *shrug*
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04/26/2006 01:56:12 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by karmabreeze:
Originally posted by pidge:
[quote=karmabreeze] The link is incorrect, but you do know that outakes are not permitted while a challenge is being voted on? |
I didn't think that would apply if I didn't participate in the challenge in any way? The whole purpose of the outtake rule is to avoid tipping people off about which photo is yours. None are mine. Ergo... *shrug* |
ACTUALLY, the point of "no outtakes" is so that images that are in the challenge are not prejudiced by outtakes threads, either by revealing entries or by taking attention away from the challenge.
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04/26/2006 01:59:47 PM · #30 |
Techno -- you don't have to be entered in the challenge to not be allowed to post outtakes for a challenge. it applies to ALL members for the reasons I already outlined.
If you want comments on your image, please wait until the challenge is over and then post it or ask that your original posts in this thread be restored.
Thanks!
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04/26/2006 02:00:50 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by kiwiness:
You forgot oversharpened and Neat Imaged to pieces :) |
YEAH THATS ME!
LMAO |
Oh yeah right :) Love you photo with the NI book :) |
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04/26/2006 02:01:30 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Techno -- you don't have to be entered in the challenge to not be allowed to post outtakes for a challenge. it applies to ALL members for the reasons I already outlined.
If you want comments on your image, please wait until the challenge is over and then post it or ask that your original posts in this thread be restored.
Thanks! |
Ah I get it, sorry if I've been a pain :( gott be fair I understand.
At the start I thought something was wrong with the browser so I re-posted. I'm a newb! lol
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:10:42. |
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04/26/2006 02:02:31 PM · #33 |
No matter how much talent and creativety you have, there's someone on this site with more - and there's someone on this site with less. In my opinion, blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters) and as such should not be allowed ... but I realize this is only my opinion.
Perhaps individual comments on those submissions you feel need some help would be more useful for those people.
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:04:13. |
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04/26/2006 02:25:21 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by hopper:
... In my opinion, blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters) and as such should not be allowed ... |
I agree and feel they should be censored the same as outtakes. I might have a flower shot out there somewhere. ;^) |
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04/26/2006 02:29:10 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by hopper:
No matter how much talent and creativety you have, there's someone on this site with more - and there's someone on this site with less. In my opinion, blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters) and as such should not be allowed ... but I realize this is only my opinion.
Perhaps individual comments on those submissions you feel need some help would be more useful for those people. |
I agree with hopper. I lost 0.2 on my not so creative entry after this thread started. It may be just conincident, I hope.
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:29:26. |
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04/26/2006 02:29:30 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by hopper:
... In my opinion, blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters) and as such should not be allowed ... |
I agree and feel they should be censored the same as outtakes. I might have a flower shot out there somewhere. ;^) |
You boys need to have more faith - i think the majority of us take these comments for what they are; either misguided or bad whine wine from sour grapes. ;)
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:33:18. |
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04/26/2006 02:31:37 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by hopper:
No matter how much talent and creativety you have, there's someone on this site with more - and there's someone on this site with less. In my opinion, blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters) and as such should not be allowed ... but I realize this is only my opinion.
Perhaps individual comments on those submissions you feel need some help would be more useful for those people. |
you know this isn't a bad point..I think it can be difficult to vote on a challenge that is a repeat challenge..this theme was done so recently that it can be hard to create a refreshing look..
personally I just avoid voting on challenges that don't inspire or annoy me..I don't think it is fair to the people who entered it, to have me click blindly...
hopper's suggestion that " blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters)" makes sense..just imagine being someone with a personal best in the challenge and then reading this forum..
I personally hope that NEW themes appear more often...I have seen lots of suggestions in the forums that have been thus far ignored.. |
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04/26/2006 02:36:44 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by hopper:
... In my opinion, blanket statements about the quality of challenge submissions sways voters (and insults submitters) and as such should not be allowed ... |
I agree and feel they should be censored the same as outtakes. I might have a flower shot out there somewhere. ;^) |
You boys need to have more faith - i think the majority of us take these comments for what they are; either misguided or bad whine wine from sour grapes. ;) |
I'm mostly making a tongue-in-cheek poke at restrictions/censoring placed on what is allowed in threads these days. It's ok to make a discouraging remark about an entire category of images in a current challenge, yet not ok to post a photo - either one can influence voters. Yes/No? |
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04/26/2006 02:37:26 PM · #39 |
I'm just trying to light a fire under some people and apparently it's working (not in the right way though). This isn't about negativity, look at all the intelligent dialogue that's been sparked. My purpose was to motivate people to step out of their comfort zone and see what happens. If it helps even one person grow as a photographer, how can that be negative?
Hopper - I see your point about influencing voting on this challenge and it was definitely not my intention. In the future I'll be more aware of this. |
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04/26/2006 02:40:26 PM · #40 |
yup ... i think you're right for the most part ... this type of thread is just becoming weekly.
no big deal
i'm not even in this challenge
Originally posted by Pedro:
You boys need to have more faith - i think the majority of us take these comments for what they are; either misguided or bad whine wine from sour grapes. ;) |
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04/26/2006 02:40:51 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by RyShu:
I'm just trying to light a fire under some people and apparently it's working (not in the right way though). This isn't about negativity, look at all the intelligent dialogue that's been sparked. My purpose was to motivate people to step out of their comfort zone and see what happens. If it helps even one person grow as a photographer, how can that be negative? |
Nothing wrong with that at all. However, I think a good percentage of the people you are trying to influence don't participate much in the forums.
It's a shame because other parts of this site are more beneficial than the challenges themselves.
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04/26/2006 02:41:43 PM · #42 |
no real harm done in the big picture of life
sometimes i talk too much
:)
Originally posted by RyShu:
Hopper - I see your point about influencing voting on this challenge and it was definitely not my intention. In the future I'll be more aware of this. |
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04/26/2006 02:43:25 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by jonr:
I sometimes get the feeling that some photos have 'dpchallenge' style. A mix of Heiða and some others....
/sour grapes and all :) |
There is absolutely nothing wrong with "dpchallenge style" if your goal is to get higher scores at DPC. Kiwiness has it right when he adjusts the images he submits differing from his own interests to meet the audience. That is true with DPC or any other audience you may be trying to reach. If you think that wrong then you may need an attitude readjustment regarding photography in general. Photographers are always trying to reach a certain audience. We may not always know what that is up front, but we are. The trick is to understand your audience. Kiwiness does it as well as anyone.
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:46:01.
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04/26/2006 02:45:22 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by RyShu:
I just finished voting on the complementary colors challenge and thought the large majority of entries, in my opinion, were lackluster and uninspired. Sure there is a technical ability displayed in many entries, but where is the photographer's own unique idea and vision? The flower shots became so repetititve that I don't know how I finished the vote. Am I the only one that feels this way? Where is the creativity and personal expression?
When approaching a challenge, please ask yourself, are you putting part of yourself into the image? Are you just copying an idea you've already seen? Are you spending some time developing an idea, or using the first thing that comes to mind? If you answered yes to these questions, I beg you, for your own personal growth, and the interest of the voters, show us what makes you an individual. |
This coming from someone who's Avg vote cast is: 3.5779. Thanks man, I put everything I have into a photo. I guess I'm not a pro so I don't have the expertise of a master as yourself.
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 14:52:04.
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04/26/2006 02:47:54 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by RyShu:
I'm speaking to those that aren't spending time developing an idea, building a compostion, and putting their own charachter into their work, whether it be flowers or any other subject. |
Problem is, most of us have done that and been slapped down with low scores, and reached a point where we'll take that kind of thing for ourselves, sure, but we know better than to enter it here. It's easy to say 'the point isn't to win' but the point isn't to be humiliated either.
Rachel
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04/26/2006 02:48:11 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by stdavidson:
Originally posted by jonr:
I sometimes get the feeling that some photos have 'dpchallenge' style. A mix of Heiða and some others....
/sour grapes and all :) |
There is absolutely nothing wrong with "dpchallenge style" if your goal is to get higher scores at DPC. Kiwiness has it right when he adjusts the images he submits differing from his own interests to meet the audience. That is true with DPC or any other audience you may be trying to reach. If you think that wrong then you may need an attitude readjustment regarding photography in general. Photographers are always trying to reach a certain audience. We may not always know what that is up front, but we are. The trick is to understand your audience. Kiwiness does it as well as anyone. |
very well said. DP is about peer voting, therefore mass appeal is the key. Kiwi's taste may differ from the masses, and probably differs from mine. What will score a 10 from us may only be a 5 to the masses. Cater to your audience. |
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04/26/2006 02:54:01 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by naldslc:
This coming from someone who's Avg vote cast is: 3.5779. |
What's wrong with that? I told you I'm looking for more in the entries. I'm a strict voter that only gives high votes to those images that move me. I try to vote on all images in a challenge so as not to skew it though. |
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04/26/2006 03:00:18 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by RyShu:
Originally posted by naldslc:
This coming from someone who's Avg vote cast is: 3.5779. |
What's wrong with that? I told you I'm looking for more in the entries. I'm a strict voter that only gives high votes to those images that move me. I try to vote on all images in a challenge so as not to skew it though. |
Nothing, your vote to give, but if your looking for more perhaps you can enlighten us all with your profound knowledge... lets see some constructive commenting on your part to help beginners become better photographers.
If I throw out a 3 then I'm backing it up with a comment in hopes that I will help the person out a little..
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 15:01:15.
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04/26/2006 03:16:58 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Cater to your audience. |
In the REAL world you have focus groups, demographic statistics, industry profiles, etc., and even then you may miss the target. Here you have none of that except to just look at past results (if applicable) and "copy" ones that did well, which is why we have the dozen upon dozens of water shots and reflections at least from the ones that don't have access to pro looking models.
Edited for clarity.
Message edited by author 2006-04-26 15:19:17.
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04/26/2006 03:28:30 PM · #50 |
I comment when I'm moved by an image or I see where I think I can help. I'm a discriminating voter and don't have the time to comment on every shot I don't like. I started this thread to get the masses thinking about their personal process and how they can broaden and improve it. In many ways, it's about looking deep inside and finding some of the answers in yourself. It really only pertains to you if it helps.
That said, I feel that commenting is equally important to the photog's growth and will do my best to do a little more in the future. Thanks for keeping me in check naldsic. |
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