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Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

01/13/2006 04:47:13 PM · #102

Originally posted by Kavey:

Can you tell us anymore about this lot?

I've only recently uploaded images there. They take a 20% cut and let you deal directly with the client. They also email requests out for photo needs with what they are willing to pay.

Brent_Ward

Sigma 15mm f/2.8 EX Diagonal Fisheye for Nikon

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

01/13/2006 04:48:27 PM · #103

Originally posted by mavrik:

Photographers Direct is EXACTLY what you just described Kavey - they won't take you if you have anything up on microsites.

Forgot about that. You guys are married. Use one's account for micro and the other's for macro. Simple.

muckpond

Nikon D200

01/13/2006 04:51:55 PM · #104

please refrain from personal attacks. this thread shouldn't turn into a

contest.

hankk

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX Aspherical DF for Canon

01/13/2006 04:53:17 PM · #105

Originally posted by Kavey:

Originally posted by idnic:

Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:
umm... not to be rude Kavey but did you guys read the posts? They are NOT the same images.

That is correct, I am not trying to offer MyLoupe the same images I have already posted to micro sites.

Seems to me that the assumption they are making is that you WILL load the same images - otherwise why would they say they were worried about their clients being able to buy the images you give them elsewhere for a $1?

Their concern may be that you sell similar images. For example, you shoot 100 photo's of a pocketwatch's innards. You put the best 3 up on the high-priced stock site, and the next best 10 on a micro stock site. While they're not the same pictures, they're close enough for use by many of the site's customers.

On the other hand, what's to stop you from taking similar pictures as many that are shown on the macro sites and selling them to the micro sites? Or even start your own site (call it //www.CheapAlmay.com) and only charge $30 per picture.

Seems that the macro stock site is saying you're good enough for us, but we won't accept your work. Go sell your high quality, desireable pictures to our competition.

Kavey

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

01/13/2006 04:56:59 PM · #106

Originally posted by muckpond:

please refrain from personal attacks. this thread shouldn't turn into a contest.

No peeing going on here. I did pee deliberately on one a school teacher's feet once. Perhaps that's the kind of information I should never ever divulge in public? LOL

Thanks Mav, Brent. Will look into it.

Skyarcher

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

01/13/2006 04:59:34 PM · #107

Originally posted by Kavey:

Originally posted by muckpond:
please refrain from personal attacks. this thread shouldn't turn into a contest.

No peeing going on here. I did pee deliberately on one a school teacher's feet once. Perhaps that's the kind of information I should never ever divulge in public? LOL

Thanks Mav, Brent. Will look into it.

BOL.... I so do not thank you Kavey for that mental image now. ;)

Brent_Ward

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L USM

01/13/2006 05:01:25 PM · #108

Originally posted by Kavey:

I've heard of little boys doing that, but a girl??!! LMAO!

Kavey

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

01/13/2006 05:03:13 PM · #109

Originally posted by Brent_Ward:

Originally posted by Kavey:

Originally posted by muckpond:
please refrain from personal attacks. this thread shouldn't turn into a contest.

No peeing going on here. I did pee deliberately on one a school teacher's feet once. Perhaps that's the kind of information I should never ever divulge in public? LOL

I've heard of little boys doing that, but a girl??!! LMAO!

I'm a girl of many talents even if you don't think photography is one of them! ;) :o)

ganders

Canon EOS-40D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/13/2006 05:05:06 PM · #110

Originally posted by muckpond:

please refrain from personal attacks. this thread shouldn't turn into a contest.

No fair - I missed my personal attack! :-)

I did get the general spirit of it from my spies, and all I'll say is that it kind of disproves your entire argument doesn't it Brent?!

Ecce_Signum

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/13/2006 05:06:47 PM · #111

Originally posted by idnic:

Just got this email from MyLoupe in response to my application:

Dear Cindi,

Thank you for your interest in myLoupe. Your work looked good. However myLoupe does not use the micropayment pricing model and there is a fundamental incompatibility between our pricing and the micropayment sites where your work is now represented. We could not in good conscience have one of our clients paying our prices for an image that could be obtained elsewhere for $1 or so.

Now that doesn't seem fair at all to me. "We like your work, but won't work with you because you work with micro sites"

So I replied with this:
Hello xxx,
Thank you for taking time to review my MyLoupe application. Please be aware that I have very few images on microstock sites and that I am hoping to remove them forever if I can get representation from a more reputable site like MyLoupe. I would be happy to sell exclusively with MyLoupe given the opportunity. In that light, I request your reconsideration.

I'm not sure what else to do, I would really like to work with them, but the flat refusal seems rather unfair.

Just getting the thread back on track ...

I think you did the right thing by being honest (I guess you use your real name on micro sites as well?

I hope MyLoupe come back with a favourable reply and you live to sell many images (micro or macro). Its your choice as to selling images on micro sites and its their choice to be confused about your intentions.

mcmurma

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Nikon MF 180mm f/2.8 ED AIS

01/14/2006 03:23:15 AM · #112

I came across the follow discalimer from World of Stock (who are not currently accepting new photographers, btw):

"Photographers with Exclusive Arrangements or Photographers with images listed on Micropayment Sites Need Not Apply. Why no Micropayment photographers? It's a matter of principle. We believe in providing a fair deal for photographers and Micropayment sites sell your work for peanuts and give you the shells. These new breed of sites are undermining the industry and we can't in good faith endorse those who are helping them do it...."

If this has already been mentioned, my apologies. But I thought that it was a fair description of what is happening.

I think part of the reason Brent and several other have been so vocal is that they are really trying to help. Not only are they trying to help themselves by steering good photographers with good images of salable size away from the microstock sites, but also the photographers themselves.

Believe in yourself, and work harder to get what you are really worth. If your images are only of sufficient size and quality for microstock, then by all means, sell through microstock. But, if they are suitable for better, then why not try?

Also, 4MP are enough for Alamy if the images are not cropped and are properly upsized. They accepted several 3.2mp images from my Canon S30... but then, I am a photoshop genius :) (Well, maybe not, but I can upsize a file and keep it looking good.)

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

01/14/2006 08:29:40 AM · #113

Wow! Who says it doesn't pay to bitch??

Today I was contacted directly by a representative of a MACRO site (one that was mentioned in this thread)who says his company would be happy to represent my work if I agree to remove my micro postings. (He had been reading THIS thread).

Sooooooooooooooooooo.... today I will be removing my few micro images and will begin my macro-stock endeavor! :D yayayay!

Kavey

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

01/14/2006 08:38:47 AM · #114

Good to hear it, Idnic!
Which site contacted you?

cbeller

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/14/2006 08:38:54 AM · #115

Originally posted by idnic:

Congrats!

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/14/2006 08:41:37 AM · #116

Originally posted by Kavey:

Good to hear it, Idnic!
Which site contacted you?

Photographer's Direct :)

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

01/14/2006 09:02:38 AM · #117

That's cool - they must be trying to swipe your talent away from the micro places.

Now, they didn't exactly email me at the same time, so I will stick with micro until I get to changin. :)

dacrazyrn

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

01/14/2006 09:40:00 AM · #118

I have loved how Photographers Direct works so far (nothing sold yet, but...) and am working on getting a few more shots up, not only to the requests that seem to come in 2-3 times a day, but some others that I think will work well, somewhere.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

01/14/2006 09:51:29 AM · #119

Its begun. I removed my micro postings. In about 3-4 months of goofing with them I earned a whopping $13.00. Lets see how that compares to the next few monts....

Tracy, how long have you been working with PD? How many images do you have posted? I am looking forward to the requests.

ganders

Canon EOS-40D

01/14/2006 10:11:17 AM · #120

Originally posted by idnic:

Today I was contacted directly by a representative of a MACRO site (one that was mentioned in this thread)who says his company would be happy to represent my work if I agree to remove my micro postings. (He had been reading THIS thread).

Hehe... I guess if I ever did want to deal with PD, I'm now pretty well screwed :-)

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

01/14/2006 10:19:48 AM · #121

Originally posted by ganders:

Hehe... I guess if I ever did want to deal with PD, I'm now pretty well screwed :-)

LMAO Quick! Change your name! :P

hokie

Nikon D2X

01/14/2006 11:21:31 AM · #122

My company has about 8 photographers (9 if you included me but I am not paid to be a photographer).

We used to send a lot of images to various sites like Corbis or Photo.com but we just got away from that as royalty free ttook over.

Every photographer or photoservice company will have to make decisions about how they market themselves.

We side with professional photographers and the current trend is giving too much power to the marketing people and not enough to the pros so a lot of companies like us pull our stuff from sites that are not 100% photographer oriented.

Our company feels that royalty free and micro style photography is just a different (and for us) negative way for the industry to go. Most of our clients (a lot of agenicies and end users) feel the same way.

Most of the photgraphers I know in my daily business feel that micro and royalty free takes advantage of the current glut in hobby photographers but, just like a lot of industries, that is the way it goes sometimes.

For those photographers that make the transition from hobby to more professional stock sales, it can be a hard transition but not all doors are closed. Ultimately, your talent to take a photo and market yourself will determine your income in the long run. But, I also think as people transition from hobby photographer to semi-pro to pro..their attitude may change about Micro/royalty free as well :-)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

05/19/2006 11:57:39 PM · #123

New Development! Today, a director of MyLoupe saw this thread and emailed me! (Hope you don't mind me mentioning you, Brian Heston). Seems he JUST saw this thread, and given my lack of participation in micros, is now willing to chat. Just gotta say, guys. DPC is seen. Is heard. Is noticed! This is now two financial opportunities that have found me as a result of this DPC thread. Don't underestimate our community, we do have power and a say about our photography world, no matter which stand we choose to take.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

05/20/2006 12:09:35 AM · #124

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