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11/10/2006 05:36:27 AM · #1 |
Someone educate me...
Is there a difference between editing/converting colors to mono
in Adobe Raw Converter compared to opening it in CS2 for conversion?
Pro's and shortcomings?
I've found tht the histogram tends does break apart when editing in RAW
as compared to editing in CS2.-ie, less of a loss of information?
Thanks
JC
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11/10/2006 07:17:23 AM · #2 |
When I show proofs to a customer, they are almost always straight from the raw converter *without* having been through photoshop yet. Therefore, the b&w proofs that I show are done in raw. Sometimes it works out really well that way. Sometimes not.
But if you look around, there are a hundred different ways to convert an image to b&w in photoshop. That's about 99 more ways than there are in raw. I like the flexibility I get by choosing a different way to convert based on what the image looks like.
So when the final picture is edited, I almost always go back to a color conversion from raw, and convert it to b&w in photoshop where I can play with the tonality of the image until I get exactly what I want.
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11/10/2006 08:56:11 AM · #3 |
i like converting photos to B&W in photoshop the best
i go to Image>Mode>Grayscale
and then i switch it back to Image>Mode>RGB Color
then i play with the levels and curves until it looks just right |
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11/10/2006 09:10:50 AM · #4 |
| I haven't found a better tool than Photoshop's Channel Mixer for B&W conversion (although some dedicated B&W conversion plug-ins might be). |
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11/10/2006 09:18:47 AM · #5 |
Google the free PS plug-in "true series conversion" its great for b/w conversions, sepia, infrared, velvia, etc.
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11/10/2006 09:24:47 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
I haven't found a better tool than Photoshop's Channel Mixer for B&W conversion (although some dedicated B&W conversion plug-ins might be). |
do you just go to the channel mixer and check the Monochrome box? |
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11/10/2006 09:27:01 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by slide12345678:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I haven't found a better tool than Photoshop's Channel Mixer for B&W conversion (although some dedicated B&W conversion plug-ins might be). |
do you just go to the channel mixer and check the Monochrome box? |
That will typically give horrible results. After you check the monochrome box, you will want to play with the sliders until you get a nice result. A tip I heard is to always try to get the slider #s to add to 100 (or close to it) for balance of tones.
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11/10/2006 09:28:01 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Originally posted by slide12345678:
Originally posted by scalvert:
I haven't found a better tool than Photoshop's Channel Mixer for B&W conversion (although some dedicated B&W conversion plug-ins might be). |
do you just go to the channel mixer and check the Monochrome box? |
That will typically give horrible results. After you check the monochrome box, you will want to play with the sliders until you get a nice result. A tip I heard is to always try to get the slider #s to add to 100 (or close to it) for balance of tones. |
i'll give it a shot and see what i come up with
thanks |
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11/10/2006 09:29:36 AM · #9 |
| What Idnic said. The default conversion is all Red channel (yuck). I typically start with 70% green, 30% red, and go from there. |
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11/10/2006 09:36:41 AM · #10 |
ok i just tried it again and moved the sliders to around 55 red, 50 green, and -5 blue and i liked it pretty well
thanks! this could be my new B&W conversion method, i'll have to test it on a bunch of different photos now :) |
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11/10/2006 03:09:28 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by idnic:
Google the free PS plug-in "true series conversion" its great for b/w conversions, sepia, infrared, velvia, etc. |
I get 3 results...2 from YOU on DPC and one other. Nothing about this plug in. :)
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11/10/2006 04:06:04 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by slide12345678:
ok i just tried it again and moved the sliders to around 55 red, 50 green, and -5 blue and i liked it pretty well
thanks! this could be my new B&W conversion method, i'll have to test it on a bunch of different photos now :) |
Now go for the ultimate by adding a Selective Color Adjustment Layer below the Cannel Mixer Adj layer.
Play with the sliders and watch the effects
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11/10/2006 04:16:09 PM · #13 |
While it is not all conclusive of all B&W conversion techniques, this might help you get an idea of what different conversion methods produce for you.
//www.dpchallenge.com/tutorial.php?TUTORIAL_ID=43
FWIW, most of my conversions for clients are done with Alien Skins Exposure now. Mostly because of speed and consistancy.
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11/10/2006 04:17:31 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Originally posted by idnic:
Google the free PS plug-in "true series conversion" its great for b/w conversions, sepia, infrared, velvia, etc. |
I get 3 results...2 from YOU on DPC and one other. Nothing about this plug in. :) |
I just searched for them too; even the link provided in the plug-in isn't working. Looks like company may be gone - or using another name now. PM me an email address & I'll send you the plug-in.
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11/10/2006 04:18:11 PM · #15 |
that's how i (and probaly many others) do it:
convert from raw, THEN do the conversion (on which ever way you like it)
a very helpful tool to produce fast and nice (though it doesn't replace a "manual" b&w conversion imho) is "Johny's B&W Package V2.0", a free photoshop plugin is available for download on www.jakerlund.net, i guess, otherwise just google...;) |
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11/10/2006 04:25:28 PM · #16 |
This is what I have been doing lately.
In CS2. Two Hue/Saturation adjustment layers. The one on the bottom leave alone at first. The second desaturate completely, then close. Go back to the first one(on the bottom) and go to the individual color channels and play with the lightness levels until I get a good mix. On occasion I will use a selective color adjustment layer underneath the desaturated layer and do the same thing playing with the black level. Then once I have that the way I like it I create a gradient map on top of everything using the black and white gradient map and fade it in normal mode until I i get a good final product. That is how I converted this shot.
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11/10/2006 05:07:06 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
This is what I have been doing lately.
In CS2. Two Hue/Saturation adjustment layers. The one on the bottom leave alone at first. The second desaturate completely, then close. Go back to the first one(on the bottom) and go to the individual color channels and play with the lightness levels until I get a good mix. On occasion I will use a selective color adjustment layer underneath the desaturated layer and do the same thing playing with the black level. Then once I have that the way I like it I create a gradient map on top of everything using the black and white gradient map and fade it in normal mode until I i get a good final product. That is how I converted this shot.
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This is close to DigiDaan's BW conversion. Does a good job. Right click to download at the site.
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11/10/2006 05:13:41 PM · #18 |
Try the gradient map too, I really like the end output with this function. I think the hue saturation technique is also in fotomann's tutorial on conversion.
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