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11/29/2006 10:48:26 AM · #26 |
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11/29/2006 11:20:28 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Xilebo:
I feel like a fool now. Why can´t the people who decide the theme for a challenge put things in PLAIN English! If this was indeed meant to interpret some last words before you did something stupid, say so!
There were even discussions showing results of famous sayings of FAMOUS people before they died, I feel like a fool now..
edit: I felt like a fool twice LOL, I'll keep it in because now it made me smile foolishly. |
i agree. i noticed there were a number ofl entries that are actual quotes of actual people. But there are more entries that are made-up quotes. Both are acceptable for me.
the contention is in the word FAMOUS.
how can i say some non-actual "quotes" are FAMOUS Last Words. For me "famous" means they are well known quotations and not just invented quotes for the challenge titles.
the examples given in the challenge description, IMO, should have been, "possible" or "ironic" or "funny" last words or some other terms but NOT "famous." That made the challenge description confusing.
my score is not doing well obviously ;( Had I given it an "invented" title, like most of the other entries, it might be doing better now.
Which is more important, the photo and the photographer's interpretion of the challenge OR the voter's interpretation of the title and the challenge description?
sorry for airing out. first time I felt so sorry for submitting an entry. |
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11/29/2006 11:24:57 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by bood:
Strange the title is almost as important if not more important than the photo. If the photo dont fit the title - trouble
If the title dont fit the challenge - double trouble. |
welcome to DPC! |
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11/29/2006 11:32:49 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by davidus428:
i agree. i noticed there were a number ofl entries that are actual quotes of actual people. But there are more entries that are made-up quotes. Both are acceptable for me. |
I agree, both are acceptable interpretations to me as well and I see no reason for DNMC votes.
Originally posted by davidus428:
the contention is in the word FAMOUS.
how can i say some non-actual "quotes" are FAMOUS Last Words. For me "famous" means they are well known quotations and not just invented quotes for the challenge titles. |
Because: "The term famous last words has become an expression in the English language for a quote, either fictional or true, that showed a lack of foresight. Often the term is uttered after someone makes a statement that expresses undue optimism, particularly about a task they plan to undertake. The person to whom the quote is attributed to, if a real person, may or may not have been near death when the quote was supposedly uttered. Often the quote will be based on the history, philosophy or profession of the atributee. A "famous last words" quote is often expressed in the form of a joke." source: Wikipedia see also: Wikipedia's "Last Words"
Now, can everyone sit back, relax, and enjoy the challenge? Puhleeze? |
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11/29/2006 11:34:14 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by davidus428:
how can i say some non-actual "quotes" are FAMOUS Last Words. For me "famous" means they are well known quotations and not just invented quotes for the challenge titles. |
Unfortunately, "Famous last words" is apparently an American expression that has nothing to do with fame (although the final words of a celebrity would certainly meet the challenge, too). My understanding is that "Famous last words" is similar to saying, "You'll be sorry!" in response to the examples given. Of course, other interpretations may be equally valid. |
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11/29/2006 11:52:45 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by davidus428:
how can i say some non-actual "quotes" are FAMOUS Last Words. For me "famous" means they are well known quotations and not just invented quotes for the challenge titles. |
Unfortunately, "Famous last words" is apparently an American expression that has nothing to do with fame (although the final words of a celebrity would certainly meet the challenge, too). My understanding is that "Famous last words" is similar to saying, "You'll be sorry!" in response to the examples given. Of course, other interpretations may be equally valid. |
hi shannon, thanks for your patient reply. If we had a more detailed challenge description on challenges like this one that is prone to misinterpretation, we could enter challenges more confidently.
Your description would have helped us understand the challenge better. We are crossing-cultures here in DPC and we should appreciate our differences in geography and backgrounds.
A link to a challenge description like KaDi's Wikipedia's last words would also help.
BTW, I'll sit back and relax on my NEXT challenge entry. As for this one, I'm still sorry I got a comment like that. But I rest my case. |
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11/29/2006 12:05:59 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Unfortunately, "Famous last words" is apparently an American expression that has nothing to do with fame (although the final words of a celebrity would certainly meet the challenge, too). My understanding is that "Famous last words" is similar to saying, "You'll be sorry!" in response to the examples given. Of course, other interpretations may be equally valid. |
Yeah, I interpreted it in a similar way, I mean you know something bad's going to happen after the title quote is said... The famous has never really had anything to do with fame in the way I've always seen the phrase "famous last words". I'm actually quite surprised that this is being interpreted in any other way...
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11/29/2006 12:11:37 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Unfortunately, "Famous last words" is apparently an American expression that has nothing to do with fame (although the final words of a celebrity would certainly meet the challenge, too). My understanding is that "Famous last words" is similar to saying, "You'll be sorry!" in response to the examples given. Of course, other interpretations may be equally valid. |
Also, part of the problem is if you stick 'famous last words' into google, the first three hits you get are for the more common & literal definition of the phrase - last words as attributed to famous people, rather than the colloquial definition that is partially alluded to in the challenge definition (though only the last part)
Other examples of famous last words :
'Nobody will misunderstand this challenge definition' ;)
Message edited by author 2006-11-29 12:12:33.
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11/29/2006 12:33:46 PM · #34 |
Is it possible that "Famous Last Words" that have a formal meaning may also have a colloquial meaning?
And I still read the challenge description as "your idea of "famous last words"" so to me it seems that all the images entered meet the challenge.
How about that! |
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11/29/2006 12:50:30 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
it seems that all the images entered meet the challenge. |
Well, that claim certainly does! ;-) |
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11/29/2006 12:51:08 PM · #36 |
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11/29/2006 12:52:07 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by klstover:
8 votes: 5.1
10 votes: 4.8
earlier I was at 6 something.
Hope this doesn't continue too much! :-D |
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4.3 is a long way away from a 6. ugh. |
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11/29/2006 12:55:18 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by davidus428:
Your description would have helped us understand the challenge better. We are crossing-cultures here in DPC and we should appreciate our differences in geography and backgrounds. |
Well, I DID post similar explanations in several threads questioning the challenge description. Such misunderstandings have happened before, and I'm sure they'll happen again simply because it's difficult to explain a conceptual topic in a way that everyone understands. FWIW, you could withdraw your entry with a self-DQ if you like. |
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11/29/2006 01:39:58 PM · #39 |
Well, as the first person to have posted something about the interpretation, I'll come back and repeat that I plan to go back through with more liberal interpretations in mind. Whoever above said that we have to think across cultures was exactly right. In fact, I'm grateful to DPC for forcing me to think more broadly. :)
Here's what I'll count as meeting the challenge:
1) ironically or foolishly optimistic, like the examples in the description
2) last words of some type, whether famous or not, real or made up, as long as they seem related to the concept "last:" last in life, last in office, last at the end of some occasion, etc.
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11/29/2006 01:49:40 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Here's what I'll count as meeting the challenge:
1) ironically or foolishly optimistic, like the examples in the description
2) last words of some type, whether famous or not, real or made up, as long as they seem related to the concept "last:" last in life, last in office, last at the end of some occasion, etc. |
This is one of the very few challenges I've voted on where I've used a scale (certain points assigned for certain things). I've decided that I'm going to give more points for your #1 than for #2, but #2 still gets more than nothing (which I will give if any have basically no relation whatsoever to the challenge). |
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11/29/2006 01:50:24 PM · #41 |
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image itself? Oh well ...
Message edited by author 2006-11-29 13:55:52. |
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11/29/2006 01:51:23 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image it self? Oh well ... |
are you new here ? ;)
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11/29/2006 01:52:39 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image it self? Oh well ... |
What? Did you think this was a photography site or something? ;)
Message edited by author 2006-11-29 13:52:57. |
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11/29/2006 01:52:58 PM · #44 |
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11/29/2006 01:59:27 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image itself? Oh well ... |
Personally, the points I assigned to meeting the challenge are way less than other categories I'm using. (If you score "perfectly" for meeting the challenge, you get half as many points as if you score perfectly for technicals, for example) |
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11/29/2006 02:14:03 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image itself? Oh well ... |
Personally, the points I assigned to meeting the challenge are way less than other categories I'm using. (If you score "perfectly" for meeting the challenge, you get half as many points as if you score perfectly for technicals, for example) |
I dig Kelly! Everyone has their own criteria. I was just kinda poking fun at the fact that so many put so much weight on the description and I think, when you do that, it blinds you to what may be a fantastic image that's all.
Message edited by author 2006-11-29 14:14:38. |
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11/29/2006 02:21:50 PM · #47 |
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11/29/2006 02:24:01 PM · #48 |
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Not too bad of a start for me....only 1 comment and apparently the voter/commenter didn't "get" my take on the challenge.
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11/29/2006 02:38:40 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
Originally posted by klstover:
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image itself? Oh well ... |
Personally, the points I assigned to meeting the challenge are way less than other categories I'm using. (If you score "perfectly" for meeting the challenge, you get half as many points as if you score perfectly for technicals, for example) |
I dig Kelly! Everyone has their own criteria. I was just kinda poking fun at the fact that so many put so much weight on the description and I think, when you do that, it blinds you to what may be a fantastic image that's all. |
So how do you handle an exceptional image that does not fit the challenge?
If you don't take meeting the challenge into account then what is the point of having the challenge.
There have been many examples of good images scoring poorly due to meeting the challenge criteria.
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11/29/2006 03:04:13 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by thegrandwazoo:
What ever happened to voting on the merit of the image itself? |
That's how I choose which images get high scores within those that meet the challenge.
Originally posted by scarbrd:
If you don't take meeting the challenge into account then what is the point of having the challenge. |
Bingo. Put another way, if you don't consider the challenge, then how is the normal challenge different from a free study?
There are plenty of other sites where pure photography is the point. I participate in a few, in fact.
DPC is different by design.
I heard it put best by someone else: challenges aren't just wide open contests, they're challenges: within a tight time frame, go take a specific type of picture.
Message edited by author 2006-11-29 15:05:40. |
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