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12/29/2006 04:47:09 AM · #76 |
Just picking up on these comments about microstock prices. I thought the whole point of microstock was to allow people to purchase stock photos at low prices. And that they are allowed to use the photos for commercial purposes?
I've bought microstock before and used it on commercial websites and in brochures for mailshots, and in flyers and posters. Is there something wrong with doing that?
Or is it just when a 'big' company uses it for a 'big' campaign that people think it's wrong? |
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12/29/2006 05:18:35 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by wendynz:
...the extremely wealthy company has made a killing by not having to pay a great photographer top rates. |
No offense, but that's over the top, IMO. I could be wrong, but I am guessing that you are just guessing that the company is "extremely wealthy" - not that it matters and I'm fairly confident you don't know if they are "making a killing" from that ad or not. In fact, they probably spent a fortune on the ad itself and may even lose money on it - who knows? - who cares? - as jhonan indicated, Leroy agreed to sell the image for microcash and the buyer paid it. If you don't want to feel like crap when you get two bucks for a shot that ends up in a million dollar ad, don't sell it on microstock sites. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to sell microstock. It is driven by the market as I very strongly believe it should be.
I build websites for a living. I charge a lot of money compared to many low end firms and I compete with "build your own for free" all the time. When that becomes too competitive for me, I'll look for another line of work. That's the way it goes and I wouldn't want it any other way.
*jumps off soapbox*
Be proud of it Leroy, and have no regrets - if it was not sold as microstock, it would not likely be in any major ad campaign - not because it's not good enough, but because of the competition. |
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12/29/2006 05:23:25 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by wendynz:
...the extremely wealthy company has made a killing by not having to pay a great photographer top rates. |
No offense, but that's over the top, IMO. I could be wrong, but I am guessing that you are just guessing that the company is "extremely wealthy" - not that it matters and I'm fairly confident you don't know if they are "making a killing" from that ad or not. In fact, they probably spent a fortune on the ad itself and may even lose money on it - who knows? - who cares? - as jhonan indicated, Leroy agreed to sell the image for microcash and the buyer paid it. If you don't want to feel like crap when you get two bucks for a shot that ends up in a million dollar ad, don't sell it on microstock sites. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to sell microstock. It is driven by the market as I very strongly believe it should be.
I build websites for a living. I charge a lot of money compared to many low end firms and I compete with "build your own for free" all the time. When that becomes too competitive for me, I'll look for another line of work. That's the way it goes and I wouldn't want it any other way.
*jumps off soapbox*
Be proud of it Leroy, and have no regrets - if it was not sold as microstock, it would not likely be in any major ad campaign - not because it's not good enough, but because of the competition. |
So true. Personally I don't think Leroy has any regrets with it! For those of us (myself included) who do use stock sites then we know how it works! I'm happy for him that his picture has been used and even happier that someone spotted it so he could see it in use!
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12/29/2006 05:42:24 AM · #79 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
... Or is it just when a 'big' company uses it for a 'big' campaign that people think it's wrong? |
I think a lot of times it is just a case of the 'if only ...' syndrome. That same image in the same ad could have been worth a lot more, if only ...
This fails to look at the bigger picture of what goes into getting a picture into ads at higher prices. Just guessing, but things like promotion, client portfolio and proven repeatability are important in many areas -- I imagine they are just as important here.
This is a big step toward Leroy building a portfolio of past clients that will attract attention later. I don't see what difference it makes how that portfolio is made, as long as it attracts attention later on.
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12/29/2006 05:49:24 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by David.C:
This is a big step toward Leroy building a portfolio of past clients that will attract attention later. I don't see what difference it makes how that portfolio is made, as long as it attracts attention later on. |
Exactly! And puts you in a position to have a much better chance in the higher end stock photo or custom photo shoot market, which still exists and probably always will, but it's one of those things where success requires a combination of luck, skill, experience, targeted exposure and perserverance, whereas microstock is all about volume, variety and mass exposure. At least that's the way I see it. |
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12/29/2006 05:54:58 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by David.C:
This is a big step toward Leroy building a portfolio of past clients that will attract attention later. I don't see what difference it makes how that portfolio is made, as long as it attracts attention later on. |
Good point - But one of the problems I see is that the photographer doesn't know who's using their photo for which purpose. It's pure luck that Leroy found out. |
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12/29/2006 05:58:13 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by David.C:
This is a big step toward Leroy building a portfolio of past clients that will attract attention later. I don't see what difference it makes how that portfolio is made, as long as it attracts attention later on. |
Good point - But one of the problems I see is that the photographer doesn't know who's using their photo for which purpose. It's pure luck that Leroy found out. |
Good point! That's why it pays to be part of a large, global community like this. :) |
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12/29/2006 11:03:21 AM · #83 |
Believe me, Leroy is going to be sticking his head out of the microstock hole more often this year, but I don't plan to abandon it.
Finding one of my photos in a major ad campaign has been a big boost to the ego, but has been a wakeup call too in that I can charge considerably more for my stock work.
I come from a photojournalism background. I'm accustomed to basically working for peanuts. Commercial and stock photography are really new to me.
Message edited by author 2006-12-29 11:04:32.
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12/29/2006 11:17:19 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Believe me, Leroy is going to be sticking his head out of the microstock hole more often this year, but I don't plan to abandon it.
Finding one of my photos in a major ad campaign has been a big boost to the ego, but has been a wakeup call too in that I can charge considerably more for my stock work.
I come from a photojournalism background. I'm accustomed to basically working for peanuts. Commercial and stock photography are really new to me. |
I'd be wrapped to find one of my photos used for something like that. Your ego is allowed to be boosted! Let's you know you are on the right track!
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12/29/2006 11:59:59 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by Makka:
I'd be wrapped to find one of my photos used for something like that. Your ego is allowed to be boosted! Let's you know you are on the right track! |
Thank you :-)
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12/29/2006 05:42:04 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Believe me, Leroy is going to be sticking his head out of the microstock hole more often this year, but I don't plan to abandon it. |
"Leroy loves being talked about in the third person!", said jhonan. |
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12/29/2006 05:45:18 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Believe me, Leroy is going to be sticking his head out of the microstock hole more often this year, but I don't plan to abandon it. |
"Leroy loves being talked about in the third person!", said jhonan. |
Yes, Leroy does :-)
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