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03/22/2007 01:39:11 PM · #2226 |
Catherine, if you really think about it, do you want to spend your weekends this way?
Now, more about this DQ issue. after reading this image transfer thread, I think that all of the entries I have submitted so far would be DQed if I made it to the top 5. I know I transfer them properly (copy from card to hard drive using Windows file copy function), and I view them using Windows Picture & Fax Viewer (still ok), but then I sometimes rotate them while viewing (BIG NO NO), and also I open the original file in PS and "save as" another file (WAY BIG NO NO).
I think from now on I will copy from card to hard drive, view with Windows Picture & Fax Viewer (never rotating the original). Then for the files I want to work on, I will make a copy using Windows copy file function, and open the copy in PS. Does this sound like a safe bet?
If so, a big thanks to  Noraneko for paving the way and saving me from the same heart break!
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03/22/2007 01:42:17 PM · #2227 |
| Julianne - your best bet is to view them in PS's Bridge utility. It doesn't (as far as I know) alter the file's exif in any way. Windows viewer I just don't trust. Though I do have a question to the effect of viewing in PS that hasn't been answered yet... I shall go bump that thread and get back to you. |
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03/22/2007 01:50:14 PM · #2228 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Julianne - your best bet is to view them in PS's Bridge utility. It doesn't (as far as I know) alter the file's exif in any way. Windows viewer I just don't trust. Though I do have a question to the effect of viewing in PS that hasn't been answered yet... I shall go bump that thread and get back to you. |
My concern about PS Bridge is that I seem to remember it auto-rotates the files if the camera puts orientation info in there (which one of my cameras does). Maybe I'm confusing that with Elements, but I'm very nervous about using anything associated with PS on an original file. |
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03/22/2007 01:52:29 PM · #2229 |
| My CAMERA rotates files. I just don't think it affects the exif data. And I can't say whether Elements handles files differently than CS - that may very well be the case. Hopefully someone can answer these very important questions! |
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03/22/2007 02:01:36 PM · #2230 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Catherine, if you really think about it, do you want to spend your weekends this way?
Now, more about this DQ issue. after reading this image transfer thread, I think that all of the entries I have submitted so far would be DQed if I made it to the top 5. I know I transfer them properly (copy from card to hard drive using Windows file copy function), and I view them using Windows Picture & Fax Viewer (still ok), but then I sometimes rotate them while viewing (BIG NO NO), and also I open the original file in PS and "save as" another file (WAY BIG NO NO).
I think from now on I will copy from card to hard drive, view with Windows Picture & Fax Viewer (never rotating the original). Then for the files I want to work on, I will make a copy using Windows copy file function, and open the copy in PS. Does this sound like a safe bet?
If so, a big thanks to Noraneko for paving the way and saving me from the same heart break! |
I do it the same way you do, but I rotate them when I look at them too! I guess mine would all be DQed if I ever got in the top 5! I'm glad to know this!
I'm shooting in RAW now that I have my new camera so I guess I'm ok. |
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03/22/2007 02:03:58 PM · #2231 |
I normally open my original in PS and save as. I've had several images validated as originals doing that, so I don't think PS changes files just by opening them. At least, not PS CS2.
It's not the safest method, though, because it relies on me to remember not to just hit save.
For those of you using Canon Camera Window, I submitted an original transferred with that utility. We'll see what the SC says, but I've seen posts in the image transfer thread that give me confidence it'll be okay. For the version I'm using, anyway.
I like it because it automatically creates folders by date and sorts the files accordingly.
Meanwhile, Catherine's shot is still there. Catherine, know that all of us are checking the status regularly and pulling for you!
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03/22/2007 02:05:54 PM · #2232 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
My CAMERA rotates files. I just don't think it affects the exif data. And I can't say whether Elements handles files differently than CS - that may very well be the case. Hopefully someone can answer these very important questions! |
There's a lot of confusion about rotating files. At least on my camera, I'm pretty sure that it stores something in the EXIF to say "this is portrait orientation." Then Canon Zoombrowser and PS both display it rotated, but the file itself doesn't change. Zoombrowser can also manually rotate, but it gives you the option of changing the EXIF setting or actually changing the image information itself.
That's different from Windows Image Viewer, which actually does change the file when it rotates.
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03/22/2007 02:08:04 PM · #2233 |
| As long as I shoot in RAW I can do whatever, correct? |
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03/22/2007 02:11:15 PM · #2234 |
... except for entries in the Minimal Editing Ruleset ...
... regarding Langdon's BD pics ... :)
I am on FIRE!
Langdon's Birthday
Votes: 62
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 6.5323
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/22/07 02:10 pm
La la la la la!
Message edited by author 2007-03-22 14:13:27.
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03/22/2007 02:12:38 PM · #2235 |
Originally posted by hipychik:
As long as I shoot in RAW I can do whatever, correct? |
No, not correct. The problem is in the software used to transfer or view files.
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03/22/2007 02:13:59 PM · #2236 |
Yes ... as long as you SAVE the original RAW files that you transfer. JPEGS of RAW files are not valid proof.
Originally posted by bmartuch:
This came directly from the Transfer Software Guidelines. This is one reason I prefer to use raw.
If you shoot in RAW:
Transfer software does not affect the original image data of a RAW file. Therefore, RAW files moved by transfer software are valid originals. Note that you must submit a RAW proof file when requested. A JPEG saved from the original RAW is not sufficient.
If you shoot in JPEG + RAW you may submit either version of the file when requested. However, the JPEG must not be altered by any transfer software. RAW files are always preferable if they are available.
Remember that RAW files are never valid originals for challenges using the Minimal Editing ruleset. |
I just cut and paste files from my card to my hard drive ANYWAYS and ALWAYS (my camera doesn't shoot in RAW only JPG) as I want to see the original EXIF if I ever look back on it in the future ... I have never used transfer software ...
Message edited by author 2007-03-22 14:18:59.
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03/22/2007 02:22:11 PM · #2237 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
... regarding Langdon's BD pics ... :)
I am on FIRE! |
Congrats!
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03/22/2007 02:32:30 PM · #2238 |
Originally posted by Greetmir:
... except for entries in the Minimal Editing Ruleset ...
... regarding Langdon's BD pics ... :)
I am on FIRE!
Langdon's Birthday
Votes: 62
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 6.5323
Comments: 0
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/22/07 02:10 pm
That good of a score I can't believe you don't have any comments! Good job!
La la la la la! |
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03/22/2007 03:24:40 PM · #2239 |
Nice going, Greetmir!!
I don't have quite that good a score but I am getting a lot of "LOL" type comments on mine. Humor is good. :-) |
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03/22/2007 03:26:08 PM · #2240 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Originally posted by hipychik:
As long as I shoot in RAW I can do whatever, correct? |
No, not correct. The problem is in the software used to transfer or view files. |
AFAIK, you cannot alter RAW files with any transfer software as it was explained to me. That's in the Admin thread on the subject. |
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03/22/2007 07:29:42 PM · #2241 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Meanwhile, Catherine's shot is still there. Catherine, know that all of us are checking the status regularly and pulling for you! |
Thank you, you guys rock!!! I'm sure it will be pulled, though. Just a matter of when they get around to it :-(
However, if it keeps others from the same heartbreak, at least it will have served some useful purpose!
And  Greetmir congrats on that awesome score you have going! |
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03/22/2007 08:09:38 PM · #2242 |
Originally posted by noraneko:
Thank you, you guys rock!!! I'm sure it will be pulled, though. Just a matter of when they get around to it :-(
However, if it keeps others from the same heartbreak, at least it will have served some useful purpose!
And Greetmir congrats on that awesome score you have going! |
Now THAT sounds like the Catherine we know. :)
Before you guys get too far down the road discussing Langdon's birthday, I'm still excited about my color portrait entry:
Votes: 164
Views: 273
Avg Vote: 6.3902 (wahoo!)
Comments: 13
Favorites: 1 (wahoo!)
If I'm lucky, it'll just sneak into my top shots on my profile page, and I'll get to look at the subject for some time to come.
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03/22/2007 09:00:21 PM · #2243 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Julianne - your best bet is to view them in PS's Bridge utility. It doesn't (as far as I know) alter the file's exif in any way. Windows viewer I just don't trust. Though I do have a question to the effect of viewing in PS that hasn't been answered yet... I shall go bump that thread and get back to you. |
I think the issuewe is more fundamental than that.
I believe we're talking about the files getting modified by software downloading them from your camera.
You have to go into "My Computer" and open the files in camera and load them into their own dedicated folder manually.
Even though I shoot in RAW, that's how I do it any more, and then the files are completely untouched.
Then you can just send a copy to wherever, and process it.
I believe that opening it without making an original copy to voew and process creates a file modification that shows up in the EXIF info.
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03/22/2007 09:23:00 PM · #2244 |
I think there's a little too much concern. Yes, Windows viewer changes things, and yes, some transfer programs do. But it's not universal.
I've been transferring files from card to computer using Canon Camera Window, opening in Photoshop, and saving a PS file from the very beginning. I've had several validations with nary an eyebrow raised.
I've now sent in two files to the SC to verify. I'll let everyone know what I find out.
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03/22/2007 09:35:55 PM · #2245 |
| I'm sooooooo confused! If I shoot in RAW, put my card in my card reader, open "MY COMPUTER", move the files off my card into a folder, open the RAW files in RawShooter essential, convert to tiff, open in paint shop pro, fix them (or wreck them), then save for web, then I am doing it right? HELP! Cause when I convert them to TIFF files it still saves the RAW info in the original folder, correct? |
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03/22/2007 10:03:35 PM · #2246 |
Originally posted by hipychik:
I'm sooooooo confused! If I shoot in RAW, put my card in my card reader, open "MY COMPUTER", move the files off my card into a folder, open the RAW files in RawShooter essential, convert to tiff, open in paint shop pro, fix them (or wreck them), then save for web, then I am doing it right? HELP! Cause when I convert them to TIFF files it still saves the RAW info in the original folder, correct? |
YES!
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03/22/2007 10:04:43 PM · #2247 |
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03/22/2007 10:18:46 PM · #2248 |
A cool thing happened.
I got a call about 4:00 from another local photog, who bought a copy of my January Free Study pic, she was in a time crunch, so she paid me $100 to go blast some quick shots of four houses for a realtor.
It wasn't art, but it was cool the way I knew that I could go and do the job and get good shots for the listings.
I also snagged an awesome shot I just submitted for Still.
I just unsubmitted it.....gonna have to chew on the dilemma....might want that one for the Free Study.
Message edited by author 2007-03-22 23:41:56.
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03/22/2007 11:15:25 PM · #2249 |
Hey, I just saw one of the best portraits I've ever had the pleasure of admiringl it's on another site. Everything about it speaks to me, from the lighting, the sepia, and the composition to the beauty and expression of the model. My first thought of who I wanted to share it with was this group, so here you go. :)
//www.dailyawards.com/image_viewer.aspx?ImageID=62512
Message edited by author 2007-03-23 00:58:19.
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03/23/2007 12:26:59 AM · #2250 |
Hi fellow suckers.
Just got home from our local camera club meeting tonite and wanted to tell everyone that Elaine (aka Chaimelle) won 1st place in both color print and Black and white print in our frist quarter club contest.
Congrats Elaine!!! |
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