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 08/29/2007 02:52:47 PM · #76
What about one with no circles? ;o)

08/29/2007 02:53:13 PM · #77
Originally posted by goodman:
i do my best bokeh when i dont try. :p


Yeah? I bokeh in my sleep.
 08/29/2007 02:54:20 PM · #78
Circles schmircles.

08/29/2007 02:56:23 PM · #79
Originally posted by ursula:

Yeah? I bokeh in my sleep.


uhhhhh...
 08/29/2007 02:56:31 PM · #80
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by goodman:
i do my best bokeh when i dont try. :p


Yeah? I bokeh in my sleep.

That I can believe for sure! :)

- by ursula
 08/29/2007 03:00:25 PM · #81
Originally posted by mk:
Circles schmircles.



Love that dark bokeh in the bird's beak! The OOF bg ain't so bad either.
 08/29/2007 03:03:09 PM · #82
Originally posted by ursula:

Love that dark bokeh in the bird's beak! The OOF bg ain't so bad either.


LMAO!
 08/29/2007 03:29:47 PM · #83
Interesting that the challenge description is not given....so that whomever decided on the challenge cannot possibly be held responsible for any arguement. Sort of like how the upside down challenge was changed with two days to go...and the definition pretty much eliminated.

Why not have a very clear description of the challenge for a change? Then make very clear that images not meeting that challenge should be voted low? For example the photos which were lit by frontal flash in the "backlight" challenge or the ones that were silhouettes in the backlight challenge, even though the description actually stated not to make it into a silhouette? (and no, I did not enter that challenge so it is not sour grapes)
 08/29/2007 03:51:59 PM · #84
Originally posted by basssman7:
Why not have a very clear description of the challenge for a change? Then make very clear that images not meeting that challenge should be voted low? For example the photos which were lit by frontal flash in the "backlight" challenge or the ones that were silhouettes in the backlight challenge, even though the description actually stated not to make it into a silhouette? (and no, I did not enter that challenge so it is not sour grapes)


So where are the non-backlit shots or silhouettes that scored highly if it is such a problem ? I didn't notice any on a quick glance.
 08/29/2007 03:56:23 PM · #85
sorry, I was not trying to hijack this thread. please go to THIS one for the discussion on the backlighting.
 08/29/2007 04:50:52 PM · #86


Excellent Bokeh, no circles, do the same with a cheap design and you get the same OOF but crap bokeh.
 08/29/2007 04:53:14 PM · #87
Originally posted by Azrifel:


Excellent Bokeh, no circles, do the same with a cheap design and you get the same OOF but crap bokeh.


Excellent example.
 08/29/2007 05:03:33 PM · #88
Let us not forget that this whole argument of what bokeh is and isn't only applies to the average to poor shots entered. The pretty shots with subject matter that doesn't offend anyone can cancel out whatever low votes it gets due to DNMC with equally high scores from those mesmerized by beautiful technicals and such.

This isn't a great example but it illustrates that trend, IMO:

Bokeh I:

Score: 6.2

Bokeh II:

Score: 5.1

Notice the first one doesn't have the circles yet scored ok. The second one had loads of it and suffered a poor result. Now you could say the first one simply is a better photograph however judging by the 1s, 2s and 3s which neither of these should have gotten (IMO) clearly show a more ridged criteria was applied to the poorer photograph when voting on it especially since there was a raging debate at the time about whether the circles should be there or not. Judging by the results of the Bokeh II challenge it clearly seemed like there was a heavy backlash towards the shots with the circles in it.

Message edited by author 2007-08-29 17:06:27.
 08/29/2007 05:36:04 PM · #89
Most of the bokeh websites I'm find are all about technical details (which lenses have good bokeh, bad bokeh or neutral bokeh - I love the one that decribes bad bokeh as looking like "little rolled up condoms" lol).

BUT - I noticed in some threads about earlier Bokeh challenges, that people were complaining that "so many" photos were just using DOF and not bokeh. I know DOF is depth of field (or depth of focus), but this thread seems to be saying that there is no difference - as long as the OOF bg (lol) enhances the subject.

Please explain what makes it bokeh, and not just DOF!! (Although I may just be shooting for power this week, lol)
 08/29/2007 05:39:18 PM · #90
Originally posted by Moatz:
So OOF means out of focus!! I just thought people on here didn't know how to spell off. I saw coments saying, this is a little OOF, haha. Forget the definition to bokeh, I am glad I know what OOF means now!!


In addition to that definition... OOF can also describe the sound some people make then they open some of their bills, which is usually followed by a groan or wailing sound.

Ray
 08/29/2007 05:42:03 PM · #91
Originally posted by RayEthier:
In addition to that definition... OOF can also describe the sound some people make then they open some of their bills, which is usually followed by a groan or wailing sound.

Ray


Or the sound they make when they see they're challenge score first thing Wednesday morniing!
 08/29/2007 05:51:53 PM · #92
Just to add to the matter...either of these have what you are calling bokeh???



08/29/2007 05:52:57 PM · #93


This is my entry from the last bokeh challenge. I think this is maybe just shallow DOF.

It is said that a shallow DOF creating BG blur is not BOKEH. So, it is not enough to shoot wide open, get your subject in focus, & your BG OOF. You have to create a shot that the average voter can recognize as bokeh in less time than it takes to click the mouse. Since nobody knows for sure what bokeh is, the way I see it you may as well do what you like & vote as fast as possible. Right? [edit to add thumb]

Message edited by author 2007-08-29 17:59:19.
 08/29/2007 05:54:57 PM · #94
Originally posted by Donna21:
Most of the bokeh websites I'm find are all about technical details (which lenses have good bokeh, bad bokeh or neutral bokeh - I love the one that decribes bad bokeh as looking like "little rolled up condoms" lol).

BUT - I noticed in some threads about earlier Bokeh challenges, that people were complaining that "so many" photos were just using DOF and not bokeh. I know DOF is depth of field (or depth of focus), but this thread seems to be saying that there is no difference - as long as the OOF bg (lol) enhances the subject.

Please explain what makes it bokeh, and not just DOF!! (Although I may just be shooting for power this week, lol)


BoKeh is a concept which requires the majority of the image to be OOF. BoKeh is a concept to describe the pleasing blured part of an image that helps the main, in focus, subject of the image stand out.
 08/29/2007 05:56:15 PM · #95
Originally posted by liberty:
Just to add to the matter...either of these have what you are calling bokeh???



Yes both have BoKeh however the first image has a more pleasing BoKeh than the second.
 08/29/2007 05:58:08 PM · #96
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! greatly appreciated
 08/29/2007 06:16:34 PM · #97
Maybe the one of the most hated name here in this site "Ken Rockwell" has a good definition of bokeh. :-p

What is Bokeh?
08/29/2007 06:17:38 PM · #98
So basically you need a subject- pretty sharp focus- against a not too distracting out of focus background. Best achieved with a long lens shot wide open or with a macro lens fairly close up.

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 08/29/2007 06:31:53 PM · #99
Originally posted by vdbe:
Maybe the one of the most hated name here in this site "Ken Rockwell" has a good definition of bokeh. :-p

What is Bokeh?


Yeah I don't think so...
 08/29/2007 06:35:06 PM · #100
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
The funny thing is, this shot, which has them "little circles" (also f/4), did much worse in Bokeh III.



I think this photo is very nice and crisp... i happen to like this one =)

Message edited by author 2007-08-29 18:40:18.
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