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10/16/2007 11:15:33 AM · #51 |
As a total optimist, I am looking forward to an ocean on the west coast of Colorado, orange trees in my back yard, tropical rain forests in the Rockies, etc.
Not mentioned in is slant, Why is Mars' ice cap melting? Marsian RVs I assume.
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10/30/2007 08:29:27 PM · #52 |
My favorite part of this is that Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize,
Will Someone please tell me how the heck Al Gore is making peace. I'm not even going to go into his hypocritical money making crap.
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10/30/2007 10:19:08 PM · #53 |
Are you sure you are 16?.....what wisdom!!
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10/30/2007 10:26:35 PM · #54 |
| Originally posted 117 pages ago by me. Why do I keep getting yanko'd in these threads. |
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10/30/2007 10:27:57 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Are you sure you are 16?.....what wisdom!! |
Almost positive ;-)
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11/08/2007 11:28:21 AM · #56 |
Glad to read that Gore and Climate change are alive and well in the rant forum.
Recently came accross an article espousing the frightful conditions in northern waters, whereby fishing was being impacted negatively due to climate change. Local fishermen were very concerned and water levels were rising. It seems to me it was posted in a publication like the NY Times in 1926.
And here I thought my Hummer was the cause of Global Warming.
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11/08/2007 12:21:11 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Glad to read that Gore and Climate change are alive and well in the rant forum.
Recently came accross an article espousing the frightful conditions in northern waters, whereby fishing was being impacted negatively due to climate change. Local fishermen were very concerned and water levels were rising. It seems to me it was posted in a publication like the NY Times in 1926.
And here I thought my Hummer was the cause of Global Warming. |
It is; it's soooooooo awful that the global warming's retroactive!
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11/08/2007 12:29:09 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by ryand:
My favorite part of this is that Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize,
Will Someone please tell me how the heck Al Gore is making peace. |
I'd be glad to. A necessary condition for peace to exist is a reasonable level of stability and prosperity. To the extent that the climate is deteriorating, to the extent that drought conditions get worse and worse, to the extent that crop production declines, and so forth and so on, then to that extent the world is less prosperous and stable, and peace is less and less likely to exist or endure.
At first glance it would seem obvious that if we "want peace" we should "end war", for example, but how do we do that? The best way, of course, would be to remove, as much as possible, the conditions that breed war in the first place.
So giving the Nobel Peace Prize to Al and the rest of that group (he didn't get it alone) is not so much of a stretch as it might seem, IMO. Certainly makes more sense than giving it to Kissinger...
R.
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11/09/2007 09:41:52 AM · #59 |
global warming a hoax
per the meteorologists that initiated the Weather channel...
Warming Skeptic
The TV meteorologist who came up with the idea for The Weather Channel says global warming is "a manufactured crisis" and "the greatest scam in history."
John Coleman has been forecasting since the fifties and now works for a San Diego TV station. He writes on the weather-related Web site called Icecap â "Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the 'research' to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims."
Coleman says in a decade or two â the public will realize that â "we have been duped."
[the article on the waitress is just a bonus]
Message edited by author 2007-11-09 09:42:12.
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11/09/2007 10:23:24 AM · #60 |
Originally posted by Flash:
global warming a hoax
per the meteorologists that initiated the Weather channel...
Warming Skeptic
The TV meteorologist who came up with the idea for The Weather Channel says global warming is "a manufactured crisis" and "the greatest scam in history."
John Coleman has been forecasting since the fifties and now works for a San Diego TV station. He writes on the weather-related Web site called Icecap â "Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the 'research' to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims."
Coleman says in a decade or two â the public will realize that â "we have been duped."
[the article on the waitress is just a bonus] |
No comment on the subject, just good to see you haven't dropped off the face of the earth. |
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11/09/2007 10:23:52 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Flash:
global warming a hoax
per the meteorologists that initiated the Weather channel...
Warming Skeptic
The TV meteorologist who came up with the idea for The Weather Channel says global warming is "a manufactured crisis" and "the greatest scam in history."
John Coleman has been forecasting since the fifties and now works for a San Diego TV station. He writes on the weather-related Web site called Icecap â "Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the 'research' to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims."
Coleman says in a decade or two â the public will realize that â "we have been duped."
[the article on the waitress is just a bonus] |
No comment on the subject, just good to see you haven't dropped off the face of the earth. |
Al Gore says gravity will be the next thing to go... |
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11/09/2007 10:26:09 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Flash:
global warming a hoax
per the meteorologists that initiated the Weather channel...
Warming Skeptic
The TV meteorologist who came up with the idea for The Weather Channel says global warming is "a manufactured crisis" and "the greatest scam in history."
John Coleman has been forecasting since the fifties and now works for a San Diego TV station. He writes on the weather-related Web site called Icecap â "Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the 'research' to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims."
Coleman says in a decade or two â the public will realize that â "we have been duped."
[the article on the waitress is just a bonus] |
No comment on the subject, just good to see you haven't dropped off the face of the earth. |
Al Gore says gravity will be the next thing to go... |
Sweet. The Doc says I need to lose a few pounds. |
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11/09/2007 11:28:49 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
No comment on the subject, just good to see you haven't dropped off the face of the earth. |
Thanks.
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11/09/2007 02:27:44 PM · #64 |
wow,someone should make a movie about this thread,lol...
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11/09/2007 02:54:40 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by jonnienye:
wow,someone should make a movie about this thread,lol... |
Just some guy and his power point slide show. |
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11/12/2007 10:23:32 AM · #66 |
Concensus challenge
above is an article by Steve Milloy. Some here challenge Steve's credentials and claim him to be a biased hitman. Others read his writings and ponder his points. Presented here for your own conclusion.
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11/12/2007 01:06:19 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Concensus challenge
above is an article by Steve Milloy. Some here challenge Steve's credentials and claim him to be a biased hitman. Others read his writings and ponder his points. Presented here for your own conclusion. |
His views do seem to misrepresent his own survey results (when interpreted with a different bias).
The same figures paint a picture of broad based consensus on the causes and consequences of global warming from a within a large group of scientists representing a diverse range of interests:
83% of respondents said that human activity drives climate change, and only 4% said that natural variability is the principal driver.
87% of respondents agreed that manmade CO2 emissions drive climate change.
91% of respondents agreed that limiting manmade emissions would have an impact and none said that it would have no impact.
87% of respondents agreed that current mean global temperature is moving to unprecedentedly warmer levels.
88% of respondents agreed that 1 degree Celsius warming would be undesirable for some or all humans.
61% of respondents rejected the questioner's suggestion that there was such a thing as an "ideal" climate, but just 2% thought that the ideal climate would be warmer than it is today.
Message edited by author 2007-11-12 13:07:00.
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11/12/2007 01:42:10 PM · #68 |
Gotta love this quote...so true, but VERY overlooked.
As economist John Kay recently wrote in an op-ed entitled "Science is the pursuit of truth, not consensus" (Financial Times, Oct. 10), "Statements about the world derive their value from the facts and arguments that support them, not from the status and qualifications of the people who assert them."
I am just waiting for Dec 21, 2012...world gets destroyed then anyway. (Sorta)
Message edited by author 2007-11-12 13:42:24.
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11/13/2007 04:58:35 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
88% of respondents agreed that 1 degree Celsius warming would be undesirable for some or all humans.
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I agree that it is possible that humans can be responsible for the change in temperature, but the fact is that it is an extremely slow change. There is not a single person on this planet, that would start complaining because instantaneously the temperature raised 1 degree. The truth is, that it takes years for it to increase 1 degree Celsius. Our bodies will easily adjust to a 1 degree increase in temperature. People need to be more tolerable if 1 degree every 5 or 10 years really bothers them.
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12/12/2007 02:15:31 PM · #70 |
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12/12/2007 03:52:05 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by ryand:
Our bodies will easily adjust to a 1 degree increase in temperature. People need to be more tolerable if 1 degree every 5 or 10 years really bothers them. |
I think it is more the consequent food issues that are underlying it, not if we'll get a tan or have to turn up the A/C
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12/12/2007 06:12:56 PM · #72 |
Hm, what a "fair and balanced" editorial. It starts off comparing "green" to the "deadly sin of envy". Retarded. It also mischaracterises his message, and repeats one of the oft-quoted stupidities that is somehow supposed to equal reasoned criticism: that he flies in a jet. Try that Stephen Frye link Gordon posted a short while ago. Here's an interesting bit:
"Using the jet, though: this one hears more of. So far as I know Al Gore hasnât gone around saying we should all stop using jets, it seemed to me from his film that his whole argument was that we donât have to get all medieval and pre-industrial in order to halt the threat of global warming. I appreciate it would be terribly convenient to those who deny the problems he has drawn our attention to if he could be leapt upon for not recycling this, not saving that, for actually using electricity, for shamelessly driving a car etc etc. But even if Al Gore had said that no one should fly around in jets or use electricity, then does it actually mean the world isnât getting warmer and that we shouldnât do something about it? I mean itâs perfectly possible that heâs a hypocrite, but how does that alter the central facts? After all, I can say âalways be kind, always be responsible, always treat others wellâ â if I then spent a day being unkind, irresponsible and unpleasant in my treatment of others if might make me something of a Tartuffe but it would not instantly render the ethical standards I had recommended worthless, it would simply mean that I hadnât lived up to them. So even if Gore is the completest hypocrite, it has no bearing on his claims." |
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12/12/2007 07:23:49 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Also.....do some more homework.....the Hybrids?
They cost more energy to build, operate, and deal with the disposal of batteries than a regular car. The cradle-to-grave trail for those cars sucks!
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This is totally wrong! Where the heck are you getting the info for this or just a gut feeling?
Hybrid batteries
I say stick to facts.
What Al Gore did (Like him or not) was to raise awareness for the fact adding CO2 or simply burning carbon raises the levels in the atmosphere. Which in turn raises the atmospheric temp, due to the greenhouse effect. |
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12/13/2007 06:59:12 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by Louis:
I mean itâs perfectly possible that heâs a hypocrite... So even if Gore is the completest hypocrite, it has no bearing on his claims." |
I especially agree with this part of your post, except of course that this hypocrite received the Nobel Prize while being one.
I nor anyone else I am aware of, says that we should not responsibly address emisions. The problem comes in on the definition of responsibly.
As I have posted elsewhere, what is the "appropriate" number of energy units for each person/family/city/country etc? If a person engages in zero emissions activities like canoeing, bicyling, hiking/backpacking, etc, then do they get to accumulate points towards say a higher emmisions vehicle? Or do they just forfeit any "credits" to be gobbled up by the Nobel Prize winning Al Gore consumption empire, or the other globe trotters who consume massive quantities of fuel flying to all manner of places. If we are serious about the address of emissions, then get serious. Otherwise it is just hyperbole, feel good hyperbole, aimed at pitting one group of consumers against another.
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12/13/2007 09:05:19 AM · #75 |
This further illustrates my point
I have extracted a couple of points:
"U.S. delegates on the sidelines of the conference said America had spent more than any other country -- $37 billion -- since 2001 on climate change-combating activities..."
"Alexander Karsner, the U.S. assistant secretary of energy, said such criticism ignored what the United States is already doing.
For example, U.S. ethanol production has increased by 250 percent since 2000, he said, and new energy capacity coming on line from renewable sources has gone from 2 percent in 2004 to 22 percent in 2006.
The numbers for renewable energy additions were comparable to Germany and Japan, he said, and higher than many other European nations.
"I get a little confused when I hear the United States isn't doing much. There is an enormous amount going on in the United States," Karsner said. "Something is going terribly right in the United States with respect to the growth of renewable energy technology."
Then we have these hypocrital participants, the ones that are flying to Bali, wasting huge amounts of jet fuel instead of an internet conference, accusing the US administration of being a hypocrite. "They accused the Bush administration of hypocrisy..."
I just scratch my head. Gore condeming the US - EU condeming the US -
Without turning this into ANOTHER thread on religion, there is a verse that reads something like, "before you remove the splinter from your brothers eye, remove the plank from your own, so that you may see clearly" commonly interpreted as, those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones or "let he who has no sin, cast the first stone" or a miriad of other similar phrases, each attempting to teach that the words of a hypocrite are judged by their actions.
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