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09/21/2003 09:09:32 AM · #1 |
| To me the site would be much more interesting if I could see all the challenge submissions right from the start. So even in the submission stage of a challenge. |
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09/21/2003 09:14:05 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Ruud Vermeij:
To me the site would be much more interesting if I could see all the challenge submissions right from the start. So even in the submission stage of a challenge. |
I think it is a very good point actually.
It gives advantage to photos who have been posted earlier and I find it pretty fair considering that it is a time based challenge and that whoever posts later had more time to think and produce the submission.
Also, it would span the voting process over two weeks instead of one only allowing user to vote little by little.
Of course, there may be good reason for not allowing it but I cannot think of anyone at the moment.
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09/21/2003 09:30:47 AM · #3 |
I disagree. If this was done, you would see much more copying or "improvements" on existing subject matter. Part of the game is coming up with something original and shooting it with skill and imagination.
Be creative and use your imagination. |
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09/21/2003 09:35:52 AM · #4 |
It could also turn into a race for a particular idea. A few weeks ago I had a hammer swinging into a nail shot for tools but another one got 4th place. We'd get a lot of "you took my idea for something to submit but then both of us did worse" type posts.
Also - imagine the blue ribbon winner is the first to submit. Everyone else may think "oh damn, I may as well not bother - what a great shot, what chance do I have if they are all like this?"
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09/21/2003 09:50:25 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by mavrik:
Also - imagine the blue ribbon winner is the first to submit. Everyone else may think "oh damn, I may as well not bother - what a great shot, what chance do I have if they are all like this?"
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That would make voting pretty quick, dontcha think? ;-)
I guess the idea has some merit, but if it did give an advantage, somehow, to the first ones to enter, I think we could also see a lot (more) rushed shots.
Seems to me it would work better like it is, so that everyone starts from the starting line at the same time.
Message edited by author 2003-09-21 09:51:10. |
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09/21/2003 10:04:49 AM · #6 |
I think the advantage, if any, would be to the photographer who waited to see what was being submitted. If the challenges were run this way, I would not hesitate to take an idea that I see already submited and improve on it and make a better image...
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09/21/2003 10:10:43 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by glimpses:
It gives advantage to photos who have been posted earlier and I find it pretty fair considering that it is a time based challenge and that whoever posts later had more time to think and produce the submission.
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Not necessarily. Later submissions don't always mean more time spent on the shot...some people do things beside this site and just don't have time until the end.
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09/21/2003 10:11:10 AM · #8 |
By not having the images available keeps the challenge more on the level unlike other sites. Sites that allow photos to be seen, sometimes also have several changes to the same photo as others look at the photo then email the photographer telling them that this or that is wrong. Thus giving the photographer who thought his or her photo was fine a chance to correct it giving them an upper hand to photos being submitted near the end.
If you are going to do this then you might as well allow all spot editing too. And then once that is done lets also get rid of the dates the photos have to be taken during and well gee while we are at it lets just not even bother to vote.
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09/21/2003 11:17:41 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Ruud Vermeij:
To me the site would be much more interesting if I could see all the challenge submissions right from the start. So even in the submission stage of a challenge. |
So how many challenges has Ruud joined in? Perhaps users should actually try the challenge system before suggesting we change something that so many of us like about DPC.
Personally I like the impersonal voting system of DPC where I can't vote for the photographers that I like; I have to vote for the photographs I like. This way I think everyone gets an equal opportunity to win the challenges (or, better yet - everyone gets an equal opportunity to submit their own creations. Heck, if I could see everyone else's submissions before I had to submit why wouldn't the majority of 3, 4 & 5 photographers wait to see what the regular 6 & 7 photographers submit and then just copy their work?
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09/21/2003 12:12:53 PM · #10 |
I don't really subscribe to the notion that anything in a photograph is 'wrong' as OSS put it, simply because documentation in such a fashion can never be considered incorrect. Furthermore, I don't believe that art is ever 'wrong'. It's an image, and should be displayed and considered at face value. The world existed that way at the time you took the photo. A subject can be portrayed differently (and perhaps in a better way in some eyes) but never incorrectly. The 'rules' in photography were made as a guideline and not as law. They can be broken to great effect.
I think it'd just up the quality of the photographs. I've seen this effect directly distance running, which I do competitively. The people who form a tight training group and feed off each others' energy almost always run faster after a given training cycle than those training by themselves. The riffing that goes on between a group, in my opinion, just makes everyone better. Ideas and efforts flow and antes are upped.
Artists have 'competed' against each other in open and unrestricted manners for centuries. While it is not competition in a true sense, exposure to other works leads to the trading and evolving of ideas and techniques which refine the skill and vision of the artist. I think of the Seattle music scene (watch the movie 'Hype' if you haven't) in the late 80s and early 90s and remember interviews with members of Soundgarden and Mudhoney and Alice in Chains (and others) and them saying that the exposure to others' music in such a tight community led to much greater things than had it been individual efforts.
If you could make a photograph better after seeing others' work, what's wrong with that?
Message edited by author 2003-09-21 12:14:41. |
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09/21/2003 12:35:37 PM · #11 |
HI. I'm new so I don't have the experience to comment as in-depth as some people that have entered lots of photos. There are lots of examples of photos on the site already that someone can look at to get ideas of good work. I have been going thru the macro gallery to see if what I entered into the current challenge is, somewhat, the same quality as previous entries. Actually, now I am scared because I see that the best rated photos have a large area in focus and I like selective focus.
I joined to improve my skills and to learn how to focus on a given subject. I feel that this will be accomplished best without seeing every entry. As someone said before, I might think mine might not be good, so I will wait for the next...or the next... and might not enter at all considering the number of really talented photographers on the site. Also, comments are a way to offer the feedback that everyone appreciates and build a community of people helping people.
Thanks. |
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09/21/2003 01:02:38 PM · #12 |
I think that would spoil it a little, for me half the excitement is eeing what other ideas everyone else came up with.
I think there would be a tendancy to copy other shots (subconsiously).
Also, when you see a humdinger of a shot, it will put some people off submitting for fear of comming last )
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