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11/29/2007 12:58:41 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Well, they aren't viewed that way by "fellow Christians", but by Christians. |
Bzztt! Wrong again. No, no and no. Your facts are unfounded. And directing us to some crappy homepage on page 50 of Google doesn't change history.
Catholicism is part of Christianity. Whichever Christian church you belong to is a part of Christianity. Catholics are Christians. These are the irrefutable facts. Wacko websites and reverted Wikipedia entries don't count. |
No amount of screaming will make your claims so. And they have been logically refuted by me and by the site I referred you to, so you cannot say they are irrefutable either. They are quite refutable.
Again, I would never say a Catholic is not Christian. Amazing you put your trust in Wikipedia, but not in the Bible.
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11/29/2007 01:00:52 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
No amount of screaming will make your claims so. And they have been logically refuted by me and by the site I referred you to, so you cannot say they are irrefutable either. They are quite refutable.
Again, I would never say a Catholic is not Christian. Amazing you put your trust in Wikipedia, but not in the Bible. |
Yeah, cause on page 153 it says "Catholicism is not Christianity, saith the Lord."
edited to fix God's typo
Message edited by author 2007-11-29 13:01:21. |
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11/29/2007 01:02:42 PM · #78 |
It's interesting that the majority of rants on dpc are about religion and homosexuality.
Back to your regularly scheduled groin kicking. |
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11/29/2007 01:02:45 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Amazing you put your trust in Wikipedia, but not in the Bible. |
Wikipedia is closer to the truth. |
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11/29/2007 01:03:08 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
No amount of screaming will make your claims so. And they have been logically refuted by me and by the site I referred you to, so you cannot say they are irrefutable either. They are quite refutable. |
So refute away. Let's see it, you can start any minute now, etc. etc. See, just saying something doesn't make it so (despite the best efforts of your government). You actually have to prove stuff, or at least try to, in order to have even a miniscule amount of credibility.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Amazing you put your trust in Wikipedia, but not in the Bible. |
Psssst...... he's an atheist....
Edited to zing the current US administration.
Message edited by author 2007-11-29 13:04:44. |
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11/29/2007 01:03:21 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Nothing contradicts. Your born, natural sexuality is heterosexual. Everyone is born that way. |
Says who? That is only your opinion. I think you are confusing being born male or female with being born heterosexual. And even that is a myth. What about people born with both sets of sexual organs? What about people that feel they are female but born with male sexual organs (or the opposite)? Did God make a mistake? |
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11/29/2007 01:04:41 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
No amount of screaming will make your claims so. And they have been logically refuted by me and by the site I referred you to, so you cannot say they are irrefutable either. They are quite refutable. |
So refute away. Let's see it, you can start any minute now, etc. etc. See, just saying something doesn't make it so. You actually have to prove stuff, or at least try to, in order to have even a miniscule amount of credibility.
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Amazing you put your trust in Wikipedia, but not in the Bible. |
Psssst...... he's an atheist.... |
The point by point refutation is found: //www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/Catholicism/catholic.htm
If you read it (and are a Christian), then you will see it's pretty well covered.
But oh yeah, you don't like the premise and the truth of it, so you call it "wacko".
Oh well. Perhaps it's time to call someone a Nazi and get this thread locked.
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11/29/2007 01:05:52 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Nothing contradicts. Your born, natural sexuality is heterosexual. Everyone is born that way. |
Says who? That is only your opinion. I think you are confusing being born male or female with being born heterosexual. And even that is a myth. What about people born with both sets of sexual organs? What about people that feel they are female but born with male sexual organs (or the opposite)? Did God make a mistake? |
People who "feel" they are female, need to get their mind corrected, not undergo the creation of very expensive "drag"
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11/29/2007 01:06:37 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by milo655321:
You should review your premises. They̢۪re contradictory.
Premise A: Everyone is born heterosexual.
Premise B: Sexuality is not a choice.
Premise C: Some people have homosexual impulses.
If everyone is born heterosexual and sexuality is not a choice, from whence come homosexual impulses? |
Nothing contradicts. Your born, natural sexuality is heterosexual. Everyone is born that way. Some people have physical urges to engage in sex with all manner of unnatural things... The physical urge is not the same as the wiring. |
You’re contradicting yourself again or you’re lacking some basic understanding. The “physical urge†is the sexuality, and, as you’ve already stated, sexuality is not a choice.
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11/29/2007 01:07:33 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
If you read it (and are a Christian), then you will see it's pretty well covered. |
Ah, one needs to be Christian to understand blind, hate-driven drivel. Got it. |
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11/29/2007 01:08:56 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
People who "feel" they are female, need to get their mind corrected, not undergo the creation of very expensive "drag" |
Using "People" to mean "Men." That's quite a Freudian slip. I see you are a Paulist. |
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11/29/2007 01:09:28 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
If you read it (and are a Christian), then you will see it's pretty well covered. |
Ah, one needs to be Christian to understand blind, hate-driven drivel. Got it. |
If that were the case, then Christians would vote for Hitlary.
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11/29/2007 01:11:03 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
If that were the case, then Christians would vote for Hitlary. |
Many will. After all, Hitlary is a Christian. |
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11/29/2007 01:12:23 PM · #89 |
| Still trying for that thread-lock Kevin? - You must be feeling a bit outnumbered. If all else fails, lock the thread. :-/ |
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11/29/2007 01:12:43 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
If that were the case, then Christians would vote for Hitlary. |
Many will. After all, Hitlary is a Christian. |
She keeps it hidden so well, no one would ever know it. Guess she has to to get all those liberal anti-God, anti-America, anti-Life voters.
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11/29/2007 01:14:23 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Nothing contradicts. Your born, natural sexuality is heterosexual. Everyone is born that way. |
Says who? That is only your opinion. I think you are confusing being born male or female with being born heterosexual. And even that is a myth. What about people born with both sets of sexual organs? What about people that feel they are female but born with male sexual organs (or the opposite)? Did God make a mistake? |
People who "feel" they are female, need to get their mind corrected, not undergo the creation of very expensive "drag" |
OK, that's your opinion. You didn't answer my other questions. Who says that people are born heterosexual? And what of the people born with both sets of organs? What are your opinions there? |
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11/29/2007 01:14:50 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Still trying for that thread-lock Kevin? - You must be feeling a bit outnumbered. If all else fails, lock the thread. :-/ |
nah... I'm used to being outnumbered in matters of faith. The non-Christians think they are enlightened and some of the Christians have an incorrect "don't judge" mentality...
But I'm about done here -- I've offered some good points that hopefully many are reading and digesting. It really just gets to be repetition as the mob here asks the same thing and throws the same softballs over and over.
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11/29/2007 01:15:43 PM · #93 |
| Back to the topic at hand then. I think it is incumbent on atheists to be true to their views and espouse them where reasonable, in order to gain traction is society as a whole. jhonan, this means you must face the music, as it were, in regards to where you are with respect to your family. |
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11/29/2007 01:16:41 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Nothing contradicts. Your born, natural sexuality is heterosexual. Everyone is born that way. |
Says who? That is only your opinion. I think you are confusing being born male or female with being born heterosexual. And even that is a myth. What about people born with both sets of sexual organs? What about people that feel they are female but born with male sexual organs (or the opposite)? Did God make a mistake? |
People who "feel" they are female, need to get their mind corrected, not undergo the creation of very expensive "drag" |
OK, that's your opinion. You didn't answer my other questions. Who says that people are born heterosexual? And what of the people born with both sets of organs? What are your opinions there? |
Common sense and reason says that people are born heterosexual. Since even if you believe the nonsense of evolution, reproduction is necessary and is only available from heterosexuality.
As for the RARE cases where both organs are included, I'm not an expert and that would have to be a decision for the family.
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11/29/2007 01:18:17 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Well, they aren't viewed that way by "fellow Christians", but by Christians. |
Bzztt! Wrong again. No, no and no. Your facts are unfounded. And directing us to some crappy homepage on page 50 of Google doesn't change history.
Catholicism is part of Christianity. Whichever Christian church you belong to is a part of Christianity. Catholics are Christians. These are the irrefutable facts. Wacko websites and reverted Wikipedia entries don't count. |
No amount of screaming will make your claims so. And they have been logically refuted by me and by the site I referred you to, so you cannot say they are irrefutable either. They are quite refutable.
Again, I would never say a Catholic is not Christian. Amazing you put your trust in Wikipedia, but not in the Bible. |
No amount of screaming on your part will make your intolerant, hate mongering drivel into the truth. |
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11/29/2007 01:18:31 PM · #96 |
I can't wait to tell my friends about this. I'm in shock!
Even in Northern Ireland where Protestants and Catholics have hundreds of years of genuine hatred behind them, at least they accept they're all Christians. |
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11/29/2007 01:19:38 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Common sense and reason says that people are born heterosexual. Since even if you believe the nonsense of evolution, reproduction is necessary and is only available from heterosexuality. |
Sorry, you're not allowed to use a theory you reject to support your prejudices. |
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11/29/2007 01:20:19 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Common sense and reason says that people are born heterosexual. Since even if you believe the nonsense of evolution, reproduction is necessary and is only available from heterosexuality.
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So, demonstrate some of your common sense and reason and show us the proof. I'm not buying it. |
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11/29/2007 01:20:45 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Back to the topic at hand then. I think it is incumbent on atheists to be true to their views and espouse them where reasonable, in order to gain traction is society as a whole. jhonan, this means you must face the music, as it were, in regards to where you are with respect to your family. |
Thanks for attempting to divert us back on topic Louis.
Actually, I think my parents would be more accepting if I told them I was gay, rather than an Atheist. :) |
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11/29/2007 01:23:45 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
Originally posted by Louis:
Back to the topic at hand then. I think it is incumbent on atheists to be true to their views and espouse them where reasonable, in order to gain traction is society as a whole. jhonan, this means you must face the music, as it were, in regards to where you are with respect to your family. |
Thanks for attempting to divert us back on topic Louis.
Actually, I think my parents would be more accepting if I told them I was gay, rather than an Atheist. :) |
I thought I had problems. :/ I'm somewhat concerned with what my parents' reactions would be to my atheism, but ultimately it would be accepting I think. I truly believe that atheists have to take a stand where they can, and was encouraged by the end of Dawkins' lecture, where he addressed this somewhat. |
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