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11/01/2007 01:45:54 AM · #26 |
It is a Global society! Why some Usa people just single out USA?
Course USA is the best in the World but We only should said
"God Bless the World"
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11/01/2007 01:46:28 AM · #27 |
| All i have to say is alot of people in america boycot walmart and would rather go to shopko, i know veterans of war that say it alot. i have to say, at least walmart raises the flag infront of their store. the only other company i have seen do this is fleetfarm. |
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11/01/2007 03:26:28 AM · #28 |
The Canadian flag is prettier and the British flag is cooler. As far as flags go, the stars and stripes really isn't a pretty design.
*whoa was that incoming fire?*
BTW, yeeeeehaw!
Heehee...:-P
Message edited by author 2007-11-01 03:30:06.
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11/01/2007 04:42:31 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by alanfreed:
but from my recollection, it seems that it's really quite rare that I've seen too many really good, creative shots involving the flag, too. |
I think you are right and "pride" may be blinding the photographers into thinking they will score well. |
I agree. I do not subtract points for using the US (or any other) flag per se, but if the picture just conveys patriotism and no creativity, the score drops. That said, I reserve my 1's for the very very very bad pictures.
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11/01/2007 04:47:10 AM · #30 |
This one did OK, and it was an absolute expression of patriotism.
22 out of 348, only 19 votes of 3 or less with some great comments and a couple of favs. I'd rather be here than anywhere else in the world.
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Message edited by author 2007-11-01 04:57:26.
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11/01/2007 05:19:37 AM · #31 |
| I nca't help but wonder what would happen if an Iraqi or Saudi flag appeared in a challenge. Would it be seen as an expression of patriotism or topophilia or just bad taste? |
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11/01/2007 05:40:38 AM · #32 |
| I think the ones (flag shots) that have put me off the most are those that have a stars and stripes with a title like 'Pride' or 'Honour'. It would be every bit as bad with any other flag. Flag-waving stinks. We are better than you = you are worse than us. Our pride = your shame. Etc. Bad manners don't come a lot worse. |
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11/01/2007 05:45:54 AM · #33 |
It would be like taking a photo of my kids being cute. Cute to me but the the rest of the population a boring shot. To an American the American flag is symbolic, to me it's just another flag that isn't Australian. Let art be art and if a flag can be used creatively then use it. If The shot relies on just patriotic juices ozing out of your eyes than re-think your shot.
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11/01/2007 05:49:15 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
The Canadian flag is prettier and the British flag is cooler. As far as flags go, the stars and stripes really isn't a pretty design. |
That is untill we ausies made the british flag cool by adding a cross made of stars! cos stars are cool and so are crosses so by combing the two......well it's just too cool. ;P
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11/01/2007 05:56:20 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by raish:
I think the ones (flag shots) that have put me off the most are those that have a stars and stripes with a title like 'Pride' or 'Honour'. It would be every bit as bad with any other flag. Flag-waving stinks. We are better than you = you are worse than us. Our pride = your shame. Etc. Bad manners don't come a lot worse. |
I think one can show pride without suggesting superiority however I get your point. It's easy to go over the line. The thing is just about everyone does it to some extent or another and I'm not just talking a about one's country but also one's family/circle of friends. For example, announcing to the world family accomplishments in the form of bumper stickers on big SUVs or in greeting cards that get sent out in masses updating everyone they know about their family's ongoings for the year. If I was interested I'd pick up the phone. :P Now that I say this probably only Americans do this so I probably lost whatever point I had.
Message edited by author 2007-11-01 05:58:51.
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11/01/2007 06:18:41 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by raish:
I think the ones (flag shots) that have put me off the most are those that have a stars and stripes with a title like 'Pride' or 'Honour'. It would be every bit as bad with any other flag. Flag-waving stinks. We are better than you = you are worse than us. Our pride = your shame. Etc. Bad manners don't come a lot worse. |
I think one can show pride without suggesting superiority however I get your point. It's easy to go over the line. The thing is just about everyone does it to some extent or another and I'm not just talking a about one's country but also one's family/circle of friends. For example, announcing to the world family accomplishments in the form of bumper stickers on big SUVs or in greeting cards that get sent out in masses updating everyone they know about their family's ongoings for the year. If I was interested I'd pick up the phone. :P Now that I say this probably only Americans do this so I probably lost whatever point I had. |
Yep ;P
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11/01/2007 06:20:39 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by raish:
I think the ones (flag shots) that have put me off the most are those that have a stars and stripes with a title like 'Pride' or 'Honour'. It would be every bit as bad with any other flag. Flag-waving stinks. We are better than you = you are worse than us. Our pride = your shame. Etc. Bad manners don't come a lot worse. |
I think one can show pride without suggesting superiority however I get your point. It's easy to go over the line. The thing is just about everyone does it to some extent or another and I'm not just talking a about one's country but also one's family/circle of friends. For example, announcing to the world family accomplishments in the form of bumper stickers on big SUVs or in greeting cards that get sent out in masses updating everyone they know about their family's ongoings for the year. If I was interested I'd pick up the phone. :P Now that I say this probably only Americans do this so I probably lost whatever point I had. |
I'm sure it was a great little point, but never mind, another one'll be along shortly.
Basically we're just a bunch of monkeys whose love of our fellow monkeys tends to be increased by proximity and family likeness etc. There's not a whole lot left for distant monkeys who don't talk like us.
It would be nice to think that up to the minute homo sapiens monkey operating software would enable us to overcome a lot of the hard-wired agro left over from the original tribal time-share versions. Actually it does, which is probably why you can walk down the street and come back home with a fair chance of survival. Over and above that, though, we're all stuck with Beta versions and masses of incompatibility. |
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11/01/2007 06:34:27 AM · #38 |
I never understood the deal with ultrapatriotism.
Its such a subjective issue..
Whats so great about the US or UK, or France or Taiwan?
Ive lived in many countries, and each one has its own merits and faults, and definately there is no country that has exclusive rights to anything (being great beaches, freedom, or food). many countries have all the qualities that one might think is exclusive of their own.
That said, I obviously am not crazy about flag waving |
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01/01/2008 11:33:09 PM · #39 |
I think it is because American Patriatism is seen as being overdone. For me the overuse of the Bald Eagle in photos does the same thing. If it is a great photo I score it accordingly, but it seems that many seem to submit a photo of the eagle because they think it will get a higher vote from the USA voters, and it usually does.
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01/01/2008 11:37:27 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
... it seems that many seem to submit a photo of the eagle because they think it will get a higher vote from the USA voters, and it usually does. |
Why would you assume they submitted it for that reason as opposed to it being a good picture? And why would you assume USA voters would treat it any differently?
I find both assumptions to be rather remarkable, actually.
When you assume Americans are jingoistic, you're being just as biased as what you accuse us of being.
Message edited by author 2008-01-01 23:39:23.
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01/01/2008 11:47:06 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Jimbo_for_life:
All i have to say is alot of people in america boycot walmart and would rather go to shopko, i know veterans of war that say it alot. i have to say, at least walmart raises the flag infront of their store. the only other company i have seen do this is fleetfarm. |
Now go through the doors and try to find a product that wasn't made using sweat-shop/child labor (slavery) in China. Waving a flag doesn't make them a good company, nor a symbol of the USA that I'd want to hang my hat on. |
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01/02/2008 12:01:55 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Why would you assume they submitted it for that reason as opposed to it being a good picture? And why would you assume USA voters would treat it any differently?
I find both assumptions to be rather remarkable, actually.
When you assume Americans are jingoistic, you're being just as biased as what you accuse us of being. |
I am referring to pictures of eagles submitted with titles such as "strength of a nation" & "power" & "Freedom" & "Symbol of Independance" & "Symbolizing the Triumph of Freedom". (those are all actual titles for eagle photos on this site) Those kinds of titles tell me that the submitter is appealing to the viewer's sense of patriotism.
I am amazed that you would find it "remarkable" that I would find Americans to be overly enthusiastic flag wavers, as that is what this whole discussion is based on. It is not a secret that the rest of the world considers the USA to be that way.
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01/02/2008 12:21:04 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
I am referring to pictures of eagles submitted with titles such as "strength of a nation" & "power" & "Freedom" & "Symbol of Independance" & "Symbolizing the Triumph of Freedom". (those are all actual titles for eagle photos on this site) Those kinds of titles tell me that the submitter is appealing to the viewer's sense of patriotism. |
I think that it is a little presumptous to claim that they are appealing to the viewer with their title. Maybe they are appealing to themselves and how they see the bald eagle and that's why they named it such. I'm sure some may try to play the card but I wouln't assume that they all do. Trevor~
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01/02/2008 02:11:50 AM · #44 |
Not every photo of the "Stars and Stripes" has the purpose of extoling the superior virtues of the USA.
It's obviously a symbol, but one whose meanings can be varied. As has been mentioned, many people find the oft-expressed attitude of cultural superiority (jingoism) rightfully annoying, but I don't think it's fair to paint everyone who uses the flag (any flag) as a subject with the same brush, nor is it right to condemn people for their personal feelings, even if you don't share them. If an expression of patriotism is appropriate to the challenge topic, and it's a good photo which clearly conveys that feeling, I'll give it a good score; if not, I won't. |
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01/02/2008 02:25:17 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
...many people find the oft-expressed attitude of cultural superiority (jingoism).... |
Thanks for the definition, General! I was going to have to go look that up.
I think that it's important to note that photography and visual communication often rely quite a bit on symbolism in order to communicate a concept and idea - and the flag and the eagle are just symbols. While I would agree that some might be using them in order to hit people in the patriotic soft spot, if you've been perusing the rant forums at all you'd see that some have a bitter spot instead.
Point being - it's a symbol, it is what it is, and people respond as they will to symbols. Play with some others and do some experimenting, see whatcha get! |
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01/02/2008 02:30:32 AM · #46 |
So what does this one say about me?
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01/02/2008 02:38:46 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
I am amazed that you would find it "remarkable" that I would find Americans to be overly enthusiastic flag wavers, as that is what this whole discussion is based on. It is not a secret that the rest of the world considers the USA to be that way. |
That's not what you said, and that's not what I called remarkable. You assumed Americans would vote higher on a shot of an American flag. THAT'S what I found remarkable.
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01/02/2008 02:39:40 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
So what does this one say about me?
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That you don't know how to spell "coloring." ;)
Note to the humour-impaired: I know there are two different spellings. :P
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01/02/2008 02:45:56 AM · #49 |
I set out to break my comments record with this shot, and did just that.
Here is a cool recent rendition.
As for the flag and its abnormal low voting. I think its simple.
We have evolved into a world with Moral obligation, where praying, saluting, or taking some oath, or allegaince has become arrogant for the most part, and rightfully so.
I don't like anyone less because they are from Iceland (alright, maybe a little)LOL.
But seriously, I think the internet has a huge part to do with this, because people are starting realize that the "common" folk are just that "common" amongst the world, and relatable. Without the governments ideology, and greed we are all one, and its starting to show. The flag represents Arrogance, Pride, and ideology which is going to be bad for photos. |
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01/02/2008 02:47:28 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by BeeCee:
So what does this one say about me?
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That you don't know how to spell "coloring." ;)
Note to the humour-impaired: I know there are two different spellings. :P |
Jeff dear... bite me ;) |
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