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05/19/2008 12:08:05 PM · #176 |
I've just begun reading Charles Freeman's AD 381: Heretics, Pagans, and the Christian State. Mostly I prefer history over polemics, and this book is about the loss of freedom of speech and free thought from the year 381, when the Christian Roman emperor Theodosius defined the orthodoxy of the state's religion in a decree that would have an impact on the west for about the following fourteen hundred years, and even to today.
I think it would behoove Christians to read about their history in this book. They may be comforted by the fact that Freeman considers himself a highly spiritual person, and in his preface, he has a go at Dawkins, calling him "simplistic", that he has no sense of emotion, that he engages in "frenzied denunciations". Though I think this dismissal is itself simplistic, the actual subject of the book is a great read, very approachable, and very exciting. This is history, not a polemic, so for those interested in this sort of thing, I think it's highly recommended.
Message edited by author 2008-05-19 12:10:13. |
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05/19/2008 12:23:21 PM · #177 |
| I'll pick it up when I see it before my vacation this summer. I plan on reading reading and reading during my 2 weeks of R&R. Thanks for sharing. |
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05/19/2008 07:31:54 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I'll pick it up when I see it before my vacation this summer. I plan on reading reading and reading during my 2 weeks of R&R. Thanks for sharing. |
Jac, you might want to order it ahead of time as it may need to be imported from the UK. I'll check this out over the summer as well (we teachers have TONS of time to read over the summer months ;P ) |
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05/19/2008 08:16:55 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by Jac:
I'll pick it up when I see it before my vacation this summer. I plan on reading reading and reading during my 2 weeks of R&R. Thanks for sharing. |
Jac, you might want to order it ahead of time as it may need to be imported from the UK. I'll check this out over the summer as well (we teachers have TONS of time to read over the summer months ;P ) |
Jac, I found it at the Chapters on Richmond St. in Toronto... which of course is no help to you. :) But it is available in bookstores in Canada, though I do notice that amazon.ca says it's not yet available for some reason. Here it is at chapters.ca. |
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05/19/2008 09:19:37 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by JMart:
Originally posted by Jac:
I'll pick it up when I see it before my vacation this summer. I plan on reading reading and reading during my 2 weeks of R&R. Thanks for sharing. |
Jac, you might want to order it ahead of time as it may need to be imported from the UK. I'll check this out over the summer as well (we teachers have TONS of time to read over the summer months ;P ) |
Jac, I found it at the Chapters on Richmond St. in Toronto... which of course is no help to you. :) But it is available in bookstores in Canada, though I do notice that amazon.ca says it's not yet available for some reason. Here it is at chapters.ca. |
There are some US resellers via Amazon but I haven't been able to find it locally. Oh well, don't mind having it shipped. |
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05/23/2008 09:32:40 AM · #181 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Oh, good... a thread where we can express our disbelief in the creator. As in, "I can't believe anyone found it necessary to create this thread in response to the other one." :-/ |
I'm glad some folks see both this (and the Christian thread as well) as childish and divisive. For a second there I was wondering if everybody on the site had lied about being over the age of 13... |
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05/23/2008 12:10:35 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Oh, good... a thread where we can express our disbelief in the creator. As in, "I can't believe anyone found it necessary to create this thread in response to the other one." :-/ |
I'm glad some folks see both this (and the Christian thread as well) as childish and divisive. For a second there I was wondering if everybody on the site had lied about being over the age of 13... |
This is just too funny... I can only surmise that you haven't read thread in its entirety or are not all that familiar with Scalvert's position.
I for one cannot agree with your statement that the threads are childish as I find both of them rather informative and replete with well reasoned arguments.
Are they divise?... more than likely they are, but diviseness is not necessarily a bad thing as it elucidates the thought process of the differing viewpoints. It is only through earnest and intelligent discourse that we can ever hope to better understand the views of others.
Ray
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05/25/2008 07:39:26 AM · #183 |
| I don't have a problem with an actual discourse, and in fact would welcome it, I just think that establishing an online fan club for a real world fan club (Christianity) and a fan club to denounce the fan club of a fan club in turn, is asinine. There isn't discourse so much as "I'm Christian and Jesus Saved me!" or "I'm an atheist." That is what I think is stupid. I will admit that I hadn't read both threads in their entirety, but having read them now, it seems that my comment was even more on point than I had at first believed. Scalvert has pointed out how asinine it is to "carve out a private niche" on DPC for Christians. I understand this thread was formed in retaliation, and, on that note, is somewhat amusing in that it's a parody, but that doesn't change the fact that beyond the tongue in cheek creation, it has become exactly what the other was only with less proselytizing/"seed planting." Scalvert even commented on the divisiveness of such behavior, and specifically how having a separate thread and proclaiming how awesomely Christian you are is unnecessary, and furthermore explained an opposition to the atheist equivalent of the Christian thread. More to the intent of this thread, we might as well be back on the schoolground telling each other how stupid the other is and that my dad can beat up your dad. Or, better yet, we could all change our avatars/profile pictures to represent whatever sect/God we support and then we can really know who is respectable and who isn't. Once all the Christians adopt crosses, the atheists will adopt images of crossed out crosses! Or better yet, just a blank white or black image relating the lack thereof! Genius! This whole thread is behaving like the kid that didn't get picked in kickball so they tried to start their own game instead. Responding to stupid behavior with stupid behavior is stupid. Seriously. Also, I'm glad that I could add a rant to the rant section. I'm feeling at home already! Woo! |
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05/25/2008 02:20:19 PM · #184 |
Well, spiritualspatula, I did ask if someone were arranging to have a kitten bar-b-que as, at that time, I didn't have any Memorial Day plans.
I was just looking for a party. |
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