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06/25/2008 11:21:34 AM · #26

Originally posted by GabrielS:

What happens if the security guard informs you that the building has copyright restrictions? I mean, do you have to believe him blindly? Could you request him (ahem) to prove it?

Scott didn't even need to mention that because it just means you can't use your photos for commercial purposes. It wouldn't mean you can't take a picture of it for personal use.

Citadel

Nikon D7500

06/25/2008 11:33:02 AM · #27

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by GabrielS:
What happens if the security guard informs you that the building has copyright restrictions? I mean, do you have to believe him blindly? Could you request him (ahem) to prove it?

Scott didn't even need to mention that because it just means you can't use your photos for commercial purposes. It wouldn't mean you can't take a picture of it for personal use.

Yeah. An example would be the Eiffel tower at night during the lightshow. Any one can take a picture of it but you just can't sell it because its copy righted.

sabphoto

Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+

06/25/2008 12:08:41 PM · #28

Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:

Legal Rights PDF

good information...here is the link to a savable and printable version

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

06/25/2008 02:26:20 PM · #29

LOL - I saw this thread on a Security Guard forum last night...

Originally posted by Cletus:

So I'm just getting off my shift at the old building down on 34th and as I'm pulling out in my car, I see this guy sitting in his car on the street taking pictures of the building. I pulled up beside him and told him he can't take pictures of this building, it's private property. Well he proceeds to give me some bullsh*t about his rights and copyrights bla bla bla. Man, I almost pulled out my taser and went A1 on his ass! This is the fourth photographer I've had to eject from various places this week - you'd think these monkey-brains would know better.
Originally posted by Floyd:
I hear ya, Cletus! Photographers SUCK!

;-)

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

06/25/2008 02:51:58 PM · #30

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

LOL - I saw this thread on a Security Guard forum last night...
Originally posted by Cletus:
So I'm just getting off my shift at the old building down on 34th and as I'm pulling out in my car, I see this guy sitting in his car on the street taking pictures of the building. I pulled up beside him and told him he can't take pictures of this building, it's private property. Well he proceeds to give me some bullsh*t about his rights and copyrights bla bla bla. Man, I almost pulled out my taser and went A1 on his ass! This is the fourth photographer I've had to eject from various places this week - you'd think these monkey-brains would know better.
Originally posted by Floyd:
I hear ya, Cletus! Photographers SUCK!

;-)

LOL, great!

Red arrow are where pictures were taken from and direction. Blue arrows is where I would of liked to have been able to take picture because it shows the front of the old building and very interesting. But I was not sure if the road was private or public. No street signs identifying it even though google has it listed as a street.

Message edited by author 2008-06-25 15:15:06.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

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06/25/2008 03:26:46 PM · #31

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by BeeCee:
Did you note the name of the security company so that you can inform them that they might want to train their monkeys a little better?

There truly is no justifiable reason for you to refer to these individuals as "Monkees".

Whilst it is true that they were not familiar with the laws governing these specific activities, I would surmize that their efforts were undertaken with the best of intentions, if not necessarily with the best procedural methods.

Rockets scientists they truly aren't, but "Monkeys" is truly too harsh a comment.

Just another man's view.

Ray

I used to BE one. Yes, monkeys.
It always amazed me how a 21-year-old could get a private investigator's license and be responsible for the security of millions of dollars' property and for the safety of the staff with NO training in handling emergency situations. On my first shift I was taken into the BCTel building, shown how to fill in the logs and incident reports, taken on a tour of the building and taught how to use the keyclock and the locations of the keys, shown the procedure for buzzing in staff after-hours and how to lock up at closing, and given a list of phone numbers for emergency use. That's IT. No training in how to handle a problem other than phoning someone else, nothing about legalities, nothing. And no pre-requisites of experience or training to get the job.

Oh, and the guys who did regular routes had company cars but some jobs required personal vehicles. My b/f (now hubby) used to spend the graveyard shift sitting in his car in the middle of nowhere, where they were installing high-tension lines.

Message edited by author 2008-06-25 17:01:43.

Strikeslip

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06/25/2008 04:05:37 PM · #32

For a while, while going to university, I worked weekend nightshifts as a security guard through a security company. I got to carry an enormous radio, on which I called my 10-4 in to the head office every hour. This was a handy situation for me, as the radio had a lot of range, allowing me to leave work and go to parties anywhere in the city. I just had to bring the radio along and remember to call in every hour.
;-)

BeeCee

Nikon D40

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06/25/2008 04:13:33 PM · #33

I rest my case ;)

Mick

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

06/25/2008 04:19:29 PM · #34

I once worked for a short time as a security guard at a huge Mattel Toys warehouse that was under construction in southern California. I had no experience and no training whatsoever. I spent most of the time playing with the telescopic boom lifts that the construction guys left at the site (similar to the one pictured below.) I found out that it's kind of scary and a lot of fun to drive one of these things around from the basket 50' up in the air and inside a building. :)

Other than that, it was an extremely boring job. There were no photographers to harass.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

06/25/2008 04:36:17 PM · #35

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Did you note the name of the security company so that you can inform them that they might want to train their monkeys a little better?

Btw, this comment is more aimed toward the management of security companies than their employees because, in my experience in working for and with security, this seems to be pretty much what they consider their staff; trained monkeys. And they DO need to train them better, I'm sure we all agree on that.

Strikeslip

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

06/25/2008 04:36:33 PM · #36

Originally posted by BeeCee:

I rest my case ;)

I didn't always work that regular gig, though. It was always night-shifts and I culd never be bothered to harass any photographers.

Some fond memories of night-shift security:

- Taking off for parties and calling in hourly 10-4s via radio.
- Playing basketball in a college gym with another like-minded guard.
- Playing pool (see above).
- Benefit of having master keys... bringing my alarm clock and finding a comfy couch in a locked office for a good night's sleep. I'd still have to wake up every hour for the 10-4 call-in, which was a hassle.
- Cooking up wings & burgers in the restaurant kitchen.
- One place locked up the booze & bottled beer, but left the taps running!!!

:-D

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

06/25/2008 09:38:20 PM · #37

LOL - I was one, too, in 1987

Moonlighting while in the Navy in Vallejo, California. Working graveyard ~~sleeping in~~ guarding construction equipment at oil spill clean-up sites in Martinez. Ahhhh memories. :)

bvy

Sigma DP1x

06/25/2008 10:02:49 PM · #38

The narrative around this recent entry might be topical. However in this case, I was on private property and making myself quite comfortable, thank you very much. I should have known better.

This building (which also happens to be my workplace) is severely off limits, and I suspect a similar confrontation would take place if I were in the street taking pictures, as the "guards" here don't acknowledge the letter "r" in their job title. See

AlanFreed's comment. In this case I was a good distance away.

Trinch

Canon EOS-40D

06/25/2008 11:21:49 PM · #39

Originally posted by SDW:

Red arrow are where pictures were taken from and direction. Blue arrows is where I would of liked to have been able to take picture because it shows the front of the old building and very interesting. But I was not sure if the road was private or public. No street signs identifying it even though google has it listed as a street.

SDW, find out who owns the building. Write them a courteous letter explaining who you are, that you want to photograph the building, and why. Include a SASE with a pre-printed form granting yourself permission to photograph said building from private land (the more detailed the better). Ask them, if they are OK with the idea, to sign and return the letter. Perhaps follow up with a phone call.

If they have a management office, show up in person.

Be nice and you may be surprised how accommodating people can be. I recently approached a security guard at major defense contractor because I was interested in taking pictures of hawks that had nested in the trees inside the fence of one of their facilities. I explained to them that I would be photographing from a public road but wanted to notify them ahead of time in to alleviate any alarm or suspicion. (I was toting a 500mm lens) To my surprise, he contacted the main office and before I knew it, they were escorting me onto the property so that I could get much closer perspective.

I am sure that the escort was so they could closely monitor what I was doing, but who cares. Had I not approached them before, I may have gotten hassled and I would never have gotten this shot...

That being said, you were right to get upset. Just pointing out that things go smoother if you pave the road ahead of time.

06/25/2008 11:30:16 PM · #40

Originally posted by karmat:

Hmmmm, personal cars? could it be they had no business being there, and didn't want you to see them?

I see someone else had the same thought as I. If there were only one "guard" I'd have called the police myself to ensure he was supposed to be there. As it were two people and could make up any lie they wanted I'd have left once the other guy showed up.

06/25/2008 11:40:34 PM · #41

Originally posted by GabrielS:

What happens if the security guard informs you that the building has copyright restrictions? I mean, do you have to believe him blindly? Could you request him (ahem) to prove it?

I was curious about this. I've always heard the Transamerica Building in SF is copyrighted and you can't sell images with it in the frame. (I have no idea if this is true) So, I did a quick google then copyright search and found this. That's all I found. So maybe he could look up the building in a copyright search like I did.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

06/25/2008 11:42:17 PM · #42

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Just like in photography Art, it's all in the perspective.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

06/26/2008 02:12:43 PM · #43

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by karmat:
Hmmmm, personal cars? could it be they had no business being there, and didn't want you to see them?

I see someone else had the same thought as I. If there were only one "guard" I'd have called the police myself to ensure he was supposed to be there. As it were two people and could make up any lie they wanted I'd have left once the other guy showed up.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/26/2008 02:31:16 PM · #44

Originally posted by RayEthier:

... and assuming they were smart enough to take down your plate number, how would your departure stop them from "Making up a lie to get you in trouble"... These security guards are a devious lot I tell you... be scared, be very scared. :O)

Ray [/quote]

Nothing would stop them Ray. But generally *$#& happens when you have your mouth open. If you don't interact with them they generally won't think of causing trouble. Also don't clump me in with the group calling guards monkeys and questioning their intelligence.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/26/2008 03:00:27 PM · #45

Originally posted by fir3bird:

Originally posted by GabrielS:
What happens if the security guard informs you that the building has copyright restrictions? I mean, do you have to believe him blindly? Could you request him (ahem) to prove it?

I was curious about this. I've always heard the Transamerica Building in SF is copyrighted and you can't sell images with it in the frame. (I have no idea if this is true) So, I did a quick google then copyright search and found this. That's all I found. So maybe he could look up the building in a copyright search like I did.

The Transamerica building is not on this Special Releases List of buildings with known copyright restrictions. Since it was built before 12/1/1990, the exterior of the building itself (shot from a public place) is not subject to copyright.

The copyright registrations you found were for other individuals' registrations of their own depictions of the building -- a pretty strong hint that it's OK to take/use pictures of it.

JuliBoc

Apple iPhone 6s+

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

06/26/2008 03:35:26 PM · #46

I got yelled at yesterday for taking photos of an outdoor restaurant that serves hamburgers, hot dogs, milk shakes, ice cream, etc. There were two bus loads of campers crowded around the tables and ordering windows. I was snapping away from the sidewalk and parking lot, when one of the camp counselors yelled at me that I couldn't take photos of her camp.

I said I was photographing Doc's, the restaurant, and she continued to yell at me, "NO, NO, NO. You can't take pictures of the camp". I said it wasn't a camp, it was a public outdoor restaurant, and that if she didn't want the children included in the photos, she should get them back into the school buses.

That didn't go over very well with her, and she continued to yell. By then I had all the photos I needed and I left. But I hate confrontations like that, and I felt quite worked up the rest of the afternoon.

Thanks for providing a place for me to vent. I feel much better now.

Strikeslip

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

06/26/2008 03:54:40 PM · #47

My run-in with this sheriff was my scariest yet! I had to change my underwear after that!

dponlyme

Nikon D3000

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

06/26/2008 03:59:19 PM · #48

I've never had a problem with anyone telling me to stop taking photos anywhere although when taking photos of flowers at the home depot I was asked if I was planning to purchase or just take pictures (I had been doing it for about half an hour and making myself quite at home). I told a little fib that I concocted before going that I was taking pictures so that my grandmother who was unable to get to the store due to her health could pick out what she wanted. They then left me alone to snap away at anything I wanted.

Art Roflmao

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