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09/12/2009 12:26:18 AM · #26 |
Okay, so there's the thumbnail. Unfortunately I'm not a paying member so unable to upload many of my photos. For more you can check out... //photoclub.canadiangeographic.ca/photos/kyle_mcintosh/default.aspx |
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09/12/2009 12:56:22 AM · #27 |
Mine got got 4.7
I thought it is original, out of the box, has both straight and curly lines, 63 vote thats 4 and under,
I am sure that if you knew you are looking at lines challenge, you would see the lines,
At least I would trust my friend's rating that I discussed my picture with after the challenge, a big thank you to  Yo_Spiff
Now seriously, I think SC need to do something about those trolls, I wont give 4 and below unless I really think it is out of the topic, something that is very clear, like if the challenge is animal and I see a portrait or a car.
Either they don't allow 5 and below without leaving a comment,
Or lets not vote on challenges that we enter, the voting might be less, but it will be much better and way more honest than this.
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09/12/2009 01:47:29 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Mine got got 4.7
I thought it is original, out of the box, has both straight and curly lines, 63 vote thats 4 and under,
I am sure that if you knew you are looking at lines challenge, you would see the lines,
At least I would trust my friend's rating that I discussed my picture with after the challenge, a big thank you to Yo_Spiff
Now seriously, I think SC need to do something about those trolls, I wont give 4 and below unless I really think it is out of the topic, something that is very clear, like if the challenge is animal and I see a portrait or a car.
Either they don't allow 5 and below without leaving a comment,
Or lets not vote on challenges that we enter, the voting might be less, but it will be much better and way more honest than this. |
I doubt you get any meaningful comments if they were forced but that's a different discussion. Search the forums and you'll find several threads on that topic.
As far as your image meeting the challenge, yes however it seems that a lot of people thought the lines impression was not strong enough. It could be that the hair is mostly blocked up shadow making the curls not that distinguishable. Brightening up the shadows as well as having your model wear a darker t-shirt may have helped direct the viewers to her hair. As it is, the eye is drawn directly to her shirt since it is the brightest part of the image. I didn't vote on this challenge but probably would have given your image a 5.
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09/12/2009 04:13:36 AM · #29 |
I don't vote in challenges I've entered. I may start once I consistently, ok if I ever, get >=6
When I do I only give below 5 for photos that are badly taken or so far off topic. Not convinced the lines are strong enough in this photo, but it is very well taken and very artistically self consistent so I probably would have given it 5 or maybe 6 depending on the other images.
I'm giving more comments out these days but I do feel rather unjustly arrogant since the highest photo score I've ever got is 5.9 and (please ignore my first couple of shots) my others cosistently come out rather mediocre (though people do seem to like the colours). |
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09/12/2009 06:51:47 AM · #30 |
Personally I don't mind getting bad scores as long as I get some feedback on why. I am not on this site to high scores but rather to improve my photography, sure looking at the scores is a good way to determine if I am improving or not but the scores are rather subjective.
We should also not that there were a lot of entries and it was hard working going though them all.
When I am giving a score I first look at the photo to determine how well it fits into the challenge. Here I was looking at if the focus of the photo was about the lines, not that it contained some. After all every where we look there are lines straight, curved and so on If it does not fit at all I would give 4 penalty marks. If it was about the lines I would take off no marks. If it was not obvious I would take of 3-1 marks depending how bad it was.
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09/12/2009 10:41:23 AM · #31 |
| Yeah, people voted harshly. :( I've followed a cliche with the whole pencils thing on the back to school one. Didn't think so many people would do it. |
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09/12/2009 11:17:31 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Indoctrine:
Yeah, people voted harshly. :( I've followed a cliche with the whole pencils thing on the back to school one. Didn't think so many people would do it. |
yup! there was an unbelievable number of them! |
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09/12/2009 11:55:35 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Judi:
I agree. My image disappointed me in the results. I got 3x1's, 3x2's and 6x3's...WHY!!!!
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I have no idea.
Message edited by author 2009-09-12 20:26:01. |
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09/12/2009 12:15:26 PM · #34 |
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Message edited by author 2009-09-12 21:36:40. |
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09/12/2009 12:36:15 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Mine got got 4.7
I thought it is original, out of the box, has both straight and curly lines, 63 vote thats 4 and under,
I am sure that if you knew you are looking at lines challenge, you would see the lines,
At least I would trust my friend's rating that I discussed my picture with after the challenge, a big thank you to Yo_Spiff
Now seriously, I think SC need to do something about those trolls, I wont give 4 and below unless I really think it is out of the topic, something that is very clear, like if the challenge is animal and I see a portrait or a car.
Either they don't allow 5 and below without leaving a comment,
Or lets not vote on challenges that we enter, the voting might be less, but it will be much better and way more honest than this. |
I gave it a 4. Does that make me a troll?
Lately, I start every photo at 3. I gave you one point for being out of the box, as you say. But why should I up it any more? The photo has no interest to me outside of the challenge. It doesn't stand on its own. And it has no background. Few photos are good without a background.
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09/12/2009 01:16:40 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by ineedauniquename:
I'm giving more comments out these days but I do feel rather unjustly arrogant since the highest photo score I've ever got is 5.9 |
that's how you learn. By making yourself figure out why you do or do not like a given entry, you will gain insight that you can apply to your own photography. Just be diplomatic in how you word your critique and keep at it.
I will admit to sometimes being initially offended when I get a harsh critique from a low scoring member, but then I recall that was also a major part of how I learned when I first came to DPC. |
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09/12/2009 01:16:43 PM · #37 |
My entry was also a bit of a shocker at 5.1.  Not to everyones tastes I will freely admit but the amount of 1,2 and 3 I could not understand. This was my alternative that I did not enter. Would it have scored any higher?  |
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09/12/2009 01:25:16 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by wkdesigns:
Yeah, I thought that by avoiding the cliches of leaves, cocaine, windows, etc. that I'd be looking at some higher scores. Anyone want to critique this shot? Be brutal if necessary. |
Instead of embedding a large image from an outside source...wouldn't it be better to just post the thumbnail...which would encourage any further comments along the way??
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I'm confused.......... how does posting only a thumbnail of your image encourage further comments ???? am I missing something about thumbnails.. |
He posted a photo from an outside source....! If people are going to make comments...it will generally be on a photo that is on the site already. |
Ok, I must be really having a bad day.. lol.. cause, I clicked on his profile and this image WAS on this website... So, I'm either halucinating and I saw this image in a challenge or my computer is doing something hoaky.. |
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09/12/2009 01:31:26 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I gave it a 4. Does that make me a troll?
Lately, I start every photo at 3. I gave you one point for being out of the box, as you say. But why should I up it any more? The photo has no interest to me outside of the challenge. It doesn't stand on its own. And it has no background. Few photos are good without a background. |
It does not make you a troll, you have explained your criteria to us. We still cry that when we get a 3, however. We have no way of knowing when a round of low votes gets handed out, if it is you (or someone with similar criteria) or someone doing some "tactical voting".
If you have some non-troll explanation for the people that revise their votes and drop an entry by -7, I would love to know! It is their perogative, of course, but I have a hard time seeing how on second pass, a photo can go from "pretty good" to "sucks". I also think a lot more of this behavior goes on in the open challenges. The people who behave this way are not going to pay $25 a year for the privilege. |
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09/12/2009 01:37:46 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
I clicked on his profile and this image WAS on this website... I'm either halucinating and I saw this image in a challenge or my computer is doing something hoaky.. |
You did. He is a new member on DPC and he did not know how to post a thumbnail linking to his challenge entry. He did know how to post an image from an outside source. Judi has explained it to him in such a way that he will never do it again.
Message edited by author 2009-09-12 13:38:16. |
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09/12/2009 01:42:05 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Mine got got 4.7
I thought it is original, out of the box, has both straight and curly lines, 63 vote thats 4 and under,
I am sure that if you knew you are looking at lines challenge, you would see the lines,
At least I would trust my friend's rating that I discussed my picture with after the challenge, a big thank you to Yo_Spiff
Now seriously, I think SC need to do something about those trolls, I wont give 4 and below unless I really think it is out of the topic, something that is very clear, like if the challenge is animal and I see a portrait or a car.
Either they don't allow 5 and below without leaving a comment,
Or lets not vote on challenges that we enter, the voting might be less, but it will be much better and way more honest than this. |
I gave it a 4. Does that make me a troll?
Lately, I start every photo at 3. |
<-- Actually, just by reading this, I would say yes, you are very qualified to be a be a troll.
Starting by 3 means all the pictures are DNMC, out of focus with poor composition, after that you go dropping your charity points, if this is not trolling, then I don't know what it is!!
Unless you are a world wide photographer that I didn't hear about, that all photography work in this site doesn't meet the minimal requirement according to your standards.
Has no background, is type of photography, which called isolated background, widely used in commercial and advertisement, ohhh .. check any stock photography site, the are there by the tons,
And excuse me if the picture has no meaning for you out of the challenge, I thought this wasn't a must, next time I will try to come up with something that have all the meanings in the world.
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09/12/2009 01:57:29 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Mine got got 4.7
I thought it is original, out of the box, has both straight and curly lines, 63 vote thats 4 and under,
I am sure that if you knew you are looking at lines challenge, you would see the lines,
At least I would trust my friend's rating that I discussed my picture with after the challenge, a big thank you to Yo_Spiff
Now seriously, I think SC need to do something about those trolls, I wont give 4 and below unless I really think it is out of the topic, something that is very clear, like if the challenge is animal and I see a portrait or a car.
Either they don't allow 5 and below without leaving a comment,
Or lets not vote on challenges that we enter, the voting might be less, but it will be much better and way more honest than this. |
I gave it a 4. Does that make me a troll?
Lately, I start every photo at 3. |
<-- Actually, just by reading this, I would say yes, you are very qualified to be a be a troll.
Starting by 3 means all the pictures are DNMC, out of focus with poor composition, after that you go dropping your charity points, if this is not trolling, then I don't know what it is!!
Unless you are a world wide photographer that I didn't hear about, that all photography work in this site doesn't meet the minimal requirement according to your standards.
Has no background, is type of photography, which called isolated background, widely used in commercial and advertisement, ohhh .. check any stock photography site, the are there by the tons,
And excuse me if the picture has no meaning for you out of the challenge, I thought this wasn't a must, next time I will try to come up with something that have all the meanings in the world. |
oh myyyyyyyyyyyyy... don't get upset... if you ask in a forum why your image scored what it scored, then certain people are going to respond.. if you don't want honesty, then maybe you shouldn't participate in this type of forum.. Besides, YOU liked the image.. Not everyone is going to like EVERY image.. That's okayyyy !!!!!! .. Just let that go & move on to the next challenge... |
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09/12/2009 02:09:39 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
[quote=posthumous] [quote=AmeedEl-Ghoul] |
oh myyyyyyyyyyyyy... don't get upset... if you ask in a forum why your image scored what it scored, then certain people are going to respond.. if you don't want honesty, then maybe you shouldn't participate in this type of forum.. Besides, YOU liked the image.. Not everyone is going to like EVERY image.. That's okayyyy !!!!!! .. Just let that go & move on to the next challenge... |
Hi  kandykarml, I am not upset at all from the critique any one would give, not at all, I've been here long enough to accept that. I was answering a simply question :) another member that states he is starting voting by giving a static 3 to all images and work it from there, asked me if I think he is a troll, I honestly answered his question :)
I've got couple of critiques above saying they thought the lines impression was not strong enough. This didn't drive me mad, I appreciate their time and honesty. :)
And I thank you for caring and for your advice, my HDR entry is already there, Hopefully I wont get votes from lots of people that start by 1 and make it from there :)
Thank you for caring, cheers,
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09/12/2009 02:11:33 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by kingskingdom:
My entry was also a bit of a shocker at 5.1. Not to everyones tastes I will freely admit but the amount of 1,2 and 3 I could not understand. This was my alternative that I did not enter. Would it have scored any higher? |
I think that you should have entered in the other shot. I would have given it a higher score than your challenge one. It is interesting and unique. |
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09/12/2009 08:29:41 PM · #45 |
| It has been brought to my attention the person in Judi's photo is a young lady of twelve. I made an inappropriate comment concerning her pose which I am truly sorry. I apologise to all. David |
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09/12/2009 11:46:58 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Originally posted by kandykarml:
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
[quote=posthumous] [quote=AmeedEl-Ghoul] |
oh myyyyyyyyyyyyy... don't get upset... if you ask in a forum why your image scored what it scored, then certain people are going to respond.. if you don't want honesty, then maybe you shouldn't participate in this type of forum.. Besides, YOU liked the image.. Not everyone is going to like EVERY image.. That's okayyyy !!!!!! .. Just let that go & move on to the next challenge... |
Hi kandykarml, I am not upset at all from the critique any one would give, not at all, I've been here long enough to accept that. I was answering a simply question :) another member that states he is starting voting by giving a static 3 to all images and work it from there, asked me if I think he is a troll, I honestly answered his question :)
I've got couple of critiques above saying they thought the lines impression was not strong enough. This didn't drive me mad, I appreciate their time and honesty. :)
And I thank you for caring and for your advice, my HDR entry is already there, Hopefully I wont get votes from lots of people that start by 1 and make it from there :)
Thank you for caring, cheers, |
Right on...... I agree with you about votes starting at 1 then having to work our way up.. Almost seems impossible to get to a 4 at that pace... My HDR image is in as well.. Not expecting much as this was my first attempt.. Hopefully though, the ones who DO KNOW alot about HDR images will be helpful with comments... fingers crossed !!! |
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09/13/2009 01:05:38 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Mine got got 4.7
I thought it is original, out of the box, has both straight and curly lines, 63 vote thats 4 and under,
I am sure that if you knew you are looking at lines challenge, you would see the lines,
At least I would trust my friend's rating that I discussed my picture with after the challenge, a big thank you to Yo_Spiff
Now seriously, I think SC need to do something about those trolls, I wont give 4 and below unless I really think it is out of the topic, something that is very clear, like if the challenge is animal and I see a portrait or a car.
Either they don't allow 5 and below without leaving a comment,
Or lets not vote on challenges that we enter, the voting might be less, but it will be much better and way more honest than this. |
I gave it a 4. Does that make me a troll?
Lately, I start every photo at 3. |
<-- Actually, just by reading this, I would say yes, you are very qualified to be a be a troll.
Starting by 3 means all the pictures are DNMC, out of focus with poor composition, after that you go dropping your charity points, if this is not trolling, then I don't know what it is!!
Unless you are a world wide photographer that I didn't hear about, that all photography work in this site doesn't meet the minimal requirement according to your standards.
Has no background, is type of photography, which called isolated background, widely used in commercial and advertisement, ohhh .. check any stock photography site, the are there by the tons,
And excuse me if the picture has no meaning for you out of the challenge, I thought this wasn't a must, next time I will try to come up with something that have all the meanings in the world. |
Obviously, you have no idea who you're dealing with. Do a little research on posthumous and you'll see he's one of the more thoughtful and entertaining users on the site. |
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09/13/2009 01:48:30 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Obviously, you have no idea who you're dealing with. Do a little research on posthumous and you'll see he's one of the more thoughtful and entertaining users on the site. |
I got his comment too...and I have to admit that I do not agree with his style of voting...but that is his choice. I accept that....!
Now I'm off to throw a few darts at his photo on my wall...ner..ner!!
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09/13/2009 01:55:12 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by AmeedEl-Ghoul:
Has no background, is type of photography, which called isolated background, widely used in commercial and advertisement, ohhh .. check any stock photography site, the are there by the tons,
And excuse me if the picture has no meaning for you out of the challenge, I thought this wasn't a must, next time I will try to come up with something that have all the meanings in the world. |
An isolated background may work great for commercial purposes since it allows a graphic artist to chop it up and use it in a poster, brochure, etc, which completes the narrative. However, this isn't a stock agency and we aren't stock buyers. We are voters. And as voters we need the photo to be complete, which this isn't. What it lacks is context.
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09/13/2009 03:00:44 AM · #50 |
Id almost love a mandatory feedback for scores below 4. Honestly think some people view the score system as a pass/fail setup.
Any how keep at it guys I did enjoy the work in the lines challenge. |
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