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09/13/2009 04:17:12 AM · #1 |
| I didn't have more space in the title and what I ment was that they shouldn't be used for photography achivements. I dislike when some of the photographers are using the innocence of a child to play with the emotions of the viever just to score high. What do you think? |
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09/13/2009 04:24:47 AM · #2 |
| But doesn't that make it a good photographer? The ability to capture that emotion on "film"? |
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09/13/2009 04:39:37 AM · #3 |
I wouldn't think about it as a abusing, it is one kind of beauty. For me, nothing like seeing my child laugh, it makes me the happiest man on Earth, how tiny and fragile they are, knowing that they are depending on you, man this is such a wonderful feeling.
This wonderful feeling drives me to try capturing it the best way I can, record it through my Lens, and share it.
If you didn't post a picture for kids with disabilities, how would you push people to donate?
If you didn't post a picture for starving kids, how would you raise a cause? the examples are endless. One of the strongest way to prove a point is photography, this is why they say, a good picture worth a thousand words,
All the best my friend,
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09/13/2009 04:55:18 AM · #4 |
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09/13/2009 06:23:34 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by purifier:
I didn't have more space in the title and what I ment was that they shouldn't be used for photography achivements. I dislike when some of the photographers are using the innocence of a child to play with the emotions of the viever just to score high. What do you think? |
you mean something like this:
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09/13/2009 07:01:23 AM · #6 |
Dont agree at all, that is why we take photographs, be it of a child an adult or anything that has emotion in the subject.
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09/13/2009 07:21:11 AM · #7 |
| A few years ago I watched a PBS documentary profiling several prominent photographers. One statement by Sylvia Plachy stuck with me. I can't find the exact quote after an online search, but it was something to the effect that photography is by nature exploitative. I thought that to be very insightful, and applicable here. |
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09/13/2009 07:46:10 AM · #8 |
Ok...here's a situation take a shot of a child and than an adult with the worthless camera in the world and from not so artistic angle of shooting and no post processing...I bet that 9 out of 10 people will like more the shot with the kid, and why? Oh well all of you are right...the kid drives more emotions in you, and you forget about the questions: does this photo look artistic, does this photo is well edited, does this photo is shot from the perfect angle?...and because of your emotions you give a highter score that it should have. If photography is all about driving your emotions of compassion lets flood DPC with shots of pain, hunger, suffering...then everybody would be happy.
And for what Ameed wrote I would just add:
If you didn't post a picture for kids, how would you score high?
If you didn't have kids in your commercial, how would you sell your goods?
oh well lets just USE THEM for better good
In France commercials involving children are banned.
Do you see where am I aiming at? I'm just suggesting that people should stop using something pure for their egoistic purposes. I'm not saying that everybody takes a photo of their kid with that tought in mind but I'm pretty sure that are some
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09/13/2009 07:49:03 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by purifier:
I didn't have more space in the title and what I ment was that they shouldn't be used for photography achivements. I dislike when some of the photographers are using the innocence of a child to play with the emotions of the viever just to score high. What do you think? |
Nope -- it's the other way around. Children don't care -- actually most of them love having their picture taken. When I go to a school to shoot an event, they're crowding around me and yelling "take mine, take mine"
It the adults who care. One man gave me the finger. I myself hate having my picture taken.
My kids never cared when I took a picture of them crying. I, however, would be mortified.
So the premise and the conclusion are wrong. We should never photograph adults, we should only photograph children!! :D |
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09/13/2009 08:31:44 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by purifier:
I'm just suggesting that people should stop using something pure for their egoistic purposes. |
Yes, you should.
And for the rest of us who take pictures of the kids that we love, and take delight in their very existence, we will continue to shoot them in that vein.
Who the Hell are you to tell me what my motivations are to take picturess of kids?
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09/13/2009 08:37:29 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by purifier:
I'm just suggesting that people should stop using something pure for their egoistic purposes. |
Yes, you should.
And for the rest of us who take pictures of the kids that we love, and take delight in their very existence, we will continue to shoot them in that vein.
Who the Hell are you to tell me what my motivations are to take picturess of kids? |
deep breath.... meditate... |
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09/13/2009 08:40:17 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by purifier:
I didn't have more space in the title and what I ment was that they shouldn't be used for photography achivements. I dislike when some of the photographers are using the innocence of a child to play with the emotions of the viever just to score high. What do you think? |
I also think it's funny that people think that pictures of children score high. Incredible pictures of children score high. But otherwise, pictures of children get hit pretty hard. That is the one subject that I tend to stay away from, because a picture with a child has to be twice as good as anything else to score well. SO many children pictures here are very under rated. |
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09/13/2009 08:57:56 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by purifier:
I'm just suggesting that people should stop using something pure for their egoistic purposes. |
Yes, you should.
And for the rest of us who take pictures of the kids that we love, and take delight in their very existence, we will continue to shoot them in that vein.
Who the Hell are you to tell me what my motivations are to take picturess of kids? |
I'm trying to have disscution here and I'm not falling on some cheap strategies like "the best deffence is the offence" making me look like I'm sort of bad guy. |
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09/13/2009 09:15:49 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by purifier:
Do you see where am I aiming at? I'm just suggesting that people should stop using something pure for their egoistic purposes. I'm not saying that everybody takes a photo of their kid with that tought in mind but I'm pretty sure that are some |
Well, until they get to a certain age children are pretty much useless to society. They can't operate heavy machinery or drive, are rubbish at arithmetic and so are worthless in any retail position such as working at Macdonalds or fried chicken shops, if you put them to work in a menial labouring position such as on a farm they just tend to muck about and generally not take the whole work thing seriously. So to society they are pretty much a waste of space apart from their one talent and that is their ability to evoke strong emotions in people. This is why they are perfect for photography and in particular advertising. I, for one, am far more likely to buy something if a child is used in the advertisement whether that is for chocolate, cigarettes or a car or something. Most of the time they just whine and moan so its good to get something back once in a while.
Message edited by author 2009-09-13 09:18:02. |
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09/13/2009 09:43:50 AM · #15 |
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09/13/2009 09:47:56 AM · #16 |
So what is the difference if you use a kid in your photo, a dog or a homeless person? The whole ideal of photography is to capture the viewers attention, Make them think about the picture, Make them Happy, Sad, sometimes Angry! Or have them wonder how the hell you managed to get the shot, Whatever reaction you may get is emotion. It happens with photos of trees, birds, mountains, sunsets, flowers, I could go on all night. It is not the subject, It is the way the subject is portrayed. So unless that child is being exploited, such as pornographically or painted with toxic chemicals to achieve the shot for example. There is no harm or foul involved.
Anyone up for a Show us your kids challenge? I am game!!!
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09/13/2009 09:49:51 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by purifier:
I'm just suggesting that people should stop using something pure for their egoistic purposes. |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Yes, you should.
And for the rest of us who take pictures of the kids that we love, and take delight in their very existence, we will continue to shoot them in that vein.
Who the Hell are you to tell me what my motivations are to take picturess of kids? |
Originally posted by purifier:
I'm trying to have disscution here and I'm not falling on some cheap strategies like "the best deffence is the offence" making me look like I'm sort of bad guy. |
Well, that was a pretty slimy comment if you're inferring that *anyone* would do that.
I don't understand the general conception that people can automatically be assumed to do the most soulless and underhanded things to achieve a virtual ribbon.
Before this rather glaringly pointed post, this idea would never have occurred to me.
Here are four from my favorites list.......
   
I know all four of the people who shot them well enough to tell you that your premise is groundless in their cases.
As a matter of fact, one of these fine people works with the CASA organization, which is dedicated to the advocacy of neglected and abused children.
These would be my images.....
 
They were shot while I was participating in a project during a church mission that I went on to Honduras to help families build new homes.....so that their children would have a better life.
I also am on the board of directors of the Pa CASA organization.
So......be aware that there are many more, and better, reasons to shoot and post up images of children before you automatically assume the worst.
Your "egoistic purposes" and "the best deffence is the offence" comments are pretty much out of line.
BTW, your spelling sucks, too.
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09/13/2009 09:56:39 AM · #18 |
| Uh oh!!! Jeb's BP is gonna spike again. |
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09/13/2009 09:58:12 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Uh oh!!! Jeb's BP is gonna spike again. |
Nope.....just floored by the whole context of this thread.
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09/13/2009 10:01:42 AM · #20 |
Hey Max (op, ie  purifier ) it seems you have stepped on a few toes and struck a nerve. I think maybe your heart is in the right place but it also may be true that your assumptions about the motives of others are off base... what do you think? I hope folks will take your youth and heart into consideration and not blast away TOO heartily with both barrels. Just a thought. |
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09/13/2009 10:03:47 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by purifier:
I didn't have more space in the title and what I ment was that they shouldn't be used for photography achivements. I dislike when some of the photographers are using the innocence of a child to play with the emotions of the viever just to score high. What do you think? |
I also think it's funny that people think that pictures of children score high. Incredible pictures of children score high. But otherwise, pictures of children get hit pretty hard. That is the one subject that I tend to stay away from, because a picture with a child has to be twice as good as anything else to score well. SO many children pictures here are very under rated. |
you hit the cruxpot. my thinking exactly. |
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09/13/2009 10:08:12 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by purifier:
I didn't have more space in the title and what I ment was that they shouldn't be used for photography achivements. I dislike when some of the photographers are using the innocence of a child to play with the emotions of the viever just to score high. What do you think? |
Nope -- it's the other way around. Children don't care -- actually most of them love having their picture taken. When I go to a school to shoot an event, they're crowding around me and yelling "take mine, take mine"
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yes true.
This guy posed lot of nudes for me that day.
Nice chap :-D
kids on streets. |
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09/13/2009 10:22:58 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
BTW, your spelling sucks, too. |
Psssst! Max is from the Republic of Macedonia. ;) |
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09/13/2009 10:32:47 AM · #24 |
GASP! It's pornography! The worst kind!!!
(Acutally, I think it's totally innocent, very artistic and most tastefully done. What does that make me?)
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09/13/2009 10:41:52 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by bvy:
GASP! It's pornography! The worst kind!!!
(Acutally, I think it's totally innocent, very artistic and most tastefully done. What does that make me?) |
Well, I have to agree.....it's a poignant shot.
What would the OP think, though???
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