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04/14/2004 10:42:34 AM · #26 |
Message edited by author 2004-10-20 02:20:06. |
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04/14/2004 10:43:28 AM · #27 |
| I think we can not discuss explicit entryes but we can talk in general certain issues. I donno didn't look yet but if there is only one flag than we probably shouldn't. |
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04/14/2004 10:44:00 AM · #28 |
| This appears to be a general discussion about the American flag (flags in general) and whether they fit the current challenge or any challenge. From the direction of some of the comments though this discussion could very well end up in the Rant forum. |
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04/14/2004 10:48:51 AM · #29 |
Besides the fact that it is against DPC rules to discuss entries during voting, this site is made up of people from all around the world. We all have our own idealisms & beliefs, but PHOTOGRAPHY is what brings us all to common ground. That is what we come to this site for. If you all start hashing out your politcal feelings & stomping all over our common ground, we'll never get anywhere & our joy in this site will suffer. Just vote what you think & move on.
I'm sure there are plenty of political forums out there to join if you want debates.
Message edited by author 2004-04-14 10:51:07.
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04/14/2004 10:48:55 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by dsray:
As much so as the American Dollar. |
Which is weaker than the pound.
Originally posted by heida:
Some people are getting bored about seing cats in every challenge, I like a good cat picture, they are international, But an american flag in every challenge is much more frustrating |
ANY nationalism is to me, unless its British!
Just kidding :)
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by frozensun:
Today, is the American Flag a symbol of Strength? |
Personally, I think the question is rather silly. But, just out of curiosity, what makes you think it isn't? After all, it is the symbol of the most powerful nation on the planet.
--Mick |
Like all flags its still nylon (Or whatever), its down to opinion. Just because it symbolises strength to you does not mean it has the same effect on everyone, hence that makes someone think it doesn't.
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by coqsinel:
if that was a nazi flag? would it have same impact? |
Of course not. The Nazi's lost. ;)
But had this challenge been held in the early 40's, then yes. |
They still exist in some places, so are you sure they lost? |
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04/14/2004 10:49:27 AM · #31 |
1- there are several flag entries
2- just like there are religious connatations 2
3- i dont mind, it's subjective.. so what the heck... |
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04/14/2004 10:53:28 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Personally, I think the question is rather silly. But, just out of curiosity, what makes you think it isn't? After all, it is the symbol of the most powerful nation on the planet.
--Mick |
Just a curiosity, what makes you so sure about that? |
Some people that used to be very powerful themselves told me so. Hitler, Hirohito, Hussein to name just a few.
--Mick |
England conquered America, America never conquered England!
Then there was Vietnam, and Korea -- that one was a stalemate, so very little difference.
And as we are on wars, one symbol of power is to direct it against the correct side -- why do you always blow up your allies? |
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04/14/2004 10:55:12 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by micknewton:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Personally, I think the question is rather silly. But, just out of curiosity, what makes you think it isn't? After all, it is the symbol of the most powerful nation on the planet.
--Mick |
Just a curiosity, what makes you so sure about that? |
Some people that used to be very powerful themselves told me so. Hitler, Hirohito, Hussein to name just a few.
--Mick |
Hitler whas beat by many countries not just americans, Hirohito whas beat in the most coward way humanity can imagine, and I don't see any power on Hussein, not that americans were alone in that also. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against americans or America I admire them, but the ideea that's put in the amrican's minds like "we are the strongest and the only ones and our flag is the most powerful" is something in my opinion that can easily turn into something aggresive. I think americans should be more open to other nations and cultures that are older and probably whiser, maybe we will then be one step closer to a global peace. But that's just what I think and that's why I whas expressing this curiosity. |
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04/14/2004 10:55:49 AM · #34 |
| we were trying to make a point on a photography concept.. let's not go into deeper political grounds and just vote our ideologies out...just like LtHousLady asked us 2... :) |
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04/14/2004 10:57:11 AM · #35 |
| Its all about symbolism anyway.. while some people feel some thing when they look at a cross or a flag (positive or negative), others simply dont. |
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04/14/2004 11:00:11 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by coqsinel:
if that was a nazi flag? would it have same impact? |
Of course not. The Nazi's lost. ;)
But had this challenge been held in the early 40's, then yes. |
If we talk wars, America lost too. Remember Vietnam? Not to talk about the so called "War on terrorism" that turned into a "Petrol hunt" :) |
First of all, let me make two things perfectly clear. (1)I am disgusted by the current administration, and (2) I neither have an american flag entry nor any other entry in this challenge. However, that is not what the discussion is. The issue is weather or not the US flags represents the United States, which in turn represents strength. Did we lose the war in Vietnam? Technically, yes. However we did not lose our country over it. The Nazis did lose their country after WWII. They no longer represent strength. Nor do the Neo-Nazis represent strength. As I said, in the early 40's the Nazi flag would certainly represent strength. Today, it represents failure and disgrace. And as superpowers come and go since the days of ancient Egypt, one day, the US flag will also eventually represent failure and disgrace. But in the start of the new millenium, it remains a symbol of economic and military strength. I just wish it also represented strength of character and justice.
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04/14/2004 11:00:47 AM · #37 |
| Oh and another one, how about if I put a romanian flag and I say that Romania is the most powerful country because we have Draculla and he beats the entire american nation and all the nations and battman and superman and all your heroes with just a fart? :))) |
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04/14/2004 11:02:00 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Oh and another one, how about if I put a romanian flag and I say that Romania is the most powerful country because we have Draculla and he beats the entire american nation and all the nations and battman and superman and all your heroes with just a fart? :))) |
Sure. But that would be an awfully long title.
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04/14/2004 11:05:23 AM · #39 |
Those who submitted flags as entry believe in their country's strength and have solidarity. But for me as a non American i see power but in other means.
Furthermore, i hope that this forum doesnt affect in any way or another on your Votes. |
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04/14/2004 11:05:44 AM · #40 |
| I think a lot of people have an issue with blind patriotism, resulting in a gung-ho aggressive attitute towards the rest of the world. Some flag-waving can exemplify this attutude, so when using this subject on an international site I would advise a little discretion and subtlety. |
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04/14/2004 11:08:32 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Did we lose the war in Vietnam? Technically, yes. However we did not lose our country over it. The Nazis did lose their country after WWII. |
Johnson certainly 'lost his country' over it. The Nazis in the end were just a polictical party after all - it isn't like the Germans were thrown out of their country
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04/14/2004 11:14:50 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
This appears to be a general discussion about the American flag (flags in general) and whether they fit the current challenge or any challenge. From the direction of some of the comments though this discussion could very well end up in the Rant forum. |
It should have started in the rant forum. |
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04/14/2004 11:15:30 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by willem:
I thought one of the DPC site rules was you were not supposed to discuss images in the current challenge ? |
I think that we are not supposed to discuss the current challenge being voted on, but the current challenge that is in submission phase. But, I also think that we can talk in general, as long as we don't "give away" who took what photo.
-Danielle |
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04/14/2004 11:15:57 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Oh and another one, how about if I put a romanian flag and I say that Romania is the most powerful country because we have Draculla and he beats the entire american nation and all the nations and battman and superman and all your heroes with just a fart? :))) |
Sure. But that would be an awfully long title. |
Doesn't have to be in the title, I know that and that's enough, same as with the american flag :)) |
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04/14/2004 11:24:50 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Did we lose the war in Vietnam? Technically, yes. However we did not lose our country over it. The Nazis did lose their country after WWII. |
Johnson certainly 'lost his country' over it. The Nazis in the end were just a polictical party after all - it isn't like the Germans were thrown out of their country |
I think we can all see the difference between a leader being voted out by his people and a leader being forcefully taken out by invading forces.
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04/14/2004 11:25:16 AM · #46 |
| Don't confuse the flag with government. A flag represents a nation, a people. And to the extent anyone feels that the people of their nation have strengths (regardless of how it's measured), a flag - no matter the nationality - would be a symbol of strength. |
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04/14/2004 11:30:24 AM · #47 |
3rd Suggestion
Move this to the rant forum, you're killing folks with flag entries.
I have no entry in the 'strength challenge' |
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04/14/2004 11:31:37 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by MJENNI:
Don't confuse the flag with government. A flag represents a nation, a people. And to the extent anyone feels that the people of their nation have strengths (regardless of how it's measured), a flag - no matter the nationality - would be a symbol of strength. |
I think the issue really is that the flag is a symbol of the nation as you said. For many within that nation, the flag is a symbol of that nations strengths. For many outwith that nation, the flag is a symbol of that nations weaknesses.
So a flag in of itself isn't really a symbol of strength, or weakness, it is just a projection of that paticular country's identity.
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04/14/2004 11:32:40 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Did we lose the war in Vietnam? Technically, yes. However we did not lose our country over it. The Nazis did lose their country after WWII. |
Johnson certainly 'lost his country' over it. The Nazis in the end were just a polictical party after all - it isn't like the Germans were thrown out of their country |
I think we can all see the difference between a leader being voted out by his people and a leader being forcefully taken out by invading forces. |
End results are remarkably similar.
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04/14/2004 11:33:10 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by MJENNI:
Don't confuse the flag with government. A flag represents a nation, a people. And to the extent anyone feels that the people of their nation have strengths (regardless of how it's measured), a flag - no matter the nationality - would be a symbol of strength. |
Yea you are probably right, but all of us that live anywhere else are continuously amazed abut the way americans obsess with theyrs. :) |
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