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10/26/2012 09:15:29 PM · #251 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I have to admit that I'm concerned by the polls. Over the last four years I've become accustomed to saying BAAAAARAAAAAK whenever I belch. RRRROMNEY.... I don't think it will work for me.
What is one to do? |
I think it may sound better if you expel the gas using the other end ... ;-) |
That usually comes out more like "Putin."
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10/27/2012 11:08:26 AM · #252 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
That usually comes out more like "Putin." |
You're using the wrong aperture size. Romney is a cheek sneak that sounds like a balloon losing air. |
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10/27/2012 07:13:29 PM · #253 |
NewsMax is trying to get me to complete a poll on the presidential election. Here's question 4:
Originally posted by NewsMax Poll:
4) To close the federal deficit, Congress and the President should
A. Raise taxes
B. Cut spending
C. Cut taxes and cut spending
D. Raise taxes and increase spending |
Am I the only one who sees something missing in this list of options? Just curious...
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10/27/2012 07:42:30 PM · #254 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
NewsMax is trying to get me to complete a poll on the presidential election. Here's question 4:
Originally posted by NewsMax Poll:
4) To close the federal deficit, Congress and the President should
A. Raise taxes
B. Cut spending
C. Cut taxes and cut spending
D. Raise taxes and increase spending |
Am I the only one who sees something missing in this list of options? Just curious... |
I had to read that twice to make sure the option of Raise taxes and cut spending wasn't there. After a couple of readings, it still wasn't. I'm assuming that's the option you wanted to choose. |
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10/27/2012 07:54:49 PM · #255 |
Originally posted by Venser:
I had to read that twice to make sure the option of Raise taxes and cut spending wasn't there. After a couple of readings, it still wasn't. I'm assuming that's the option you wanted to choose. |
It's not so much that I "wanted to choose" it, as it is that the poll seems seriously skewed without that option included. Though I suppose no politician could get elected promising to raise taxes and cut spending at the same time :-) |
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10/27/2012 08:04:48 PM · #256 |
| I thought the missing option was destroy all countries we owe money to? |
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10/27/2012 08:31:37 PM · #257 |
E. Cut taxes for a pre-determined period of time, then raise them back to the origional or higher level. Oh wait, thats whats happening now. It's like they made the decision for you that both cuts were out of the question.
Message edited by author 2012-10-27 20:49:42. |
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10/27/2012 08:51:46 PM · #258 |
Originally posted by Digipixer:
E. Cut taxes for a pre-determined period of time, then raise them back to the origional or higher level. Oh wait, thats whats happening now. |
You do realize the US pays one of the lowest income tax percentages in all of the G20. How much lower do you want them to go?
Not only that, your level of service for things like health care and education is ranked fairly low also. I understand causation, correlation, and coincidence are not the same, but it makes you wonder, especially when you see the countries ranked ahead of the US. |
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10/27/2012 08:57:51 PM · #259 |
| The problem is that they are automaticaly going to go up...if Congress does nothing, and they will go up if this Administration remains the same. |
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10/27/2012 08:58:06 PM · #260 |
I enjoyed the Daily Show's look at Romney's claim during the first presidential debate that Obama gave $90 billion to green energy companies, half of which went bankrupt.In fact of the 26 recipients of Department of Energy 1705 loan guarantees, only three have filed for bankruptcy, amounting to about 6 percent of the loan guarantee funds.
He contrasted that with the 22% of companies that Bain Capital invested in that went bankrupt. So where is the genius business man that will save our economy? Ask David Stockman, the man Ronald Reagan put in the Office of Manegment and Budget and helped set the econimic policy of that admninistration.
"Mitt Romney was not a businessman; he was a master financial speculator who bought, sold, flipped, and stripped businesses. He did not build enterprises the old-fashioned way—out of inspiration, perspiration, and a long slog in the free market fostering a new product, service, or process of production. Instead, he spent his 15 years raising debt in prodigious amounts on Wall Street so that Bain could purchase the pots and pans and castoffs of corporate America, leverage them to the hilt, gussy them up as reborn “roll-ups,” and then deliver them back to Wall Street for resale—the faster the better." |
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10/27/2012 09:06:50 PM · #261 |
Solar-cell manufacturer Solyndra became a household name when it collapsed, taking $627 million in American taxpayer dollars with it. It’s the poster company for the government picking winners and losers—or really, just losers—in the energy market. But there are 12 more “green energy” losers that have declared bankruptcy despite attempts to prop them up with taxpayer money—and the list is growing.
This is from The Foundry,The Morning Bell
//blog.heritage.org/2012/07/24/morning-bell-the-green-graveyard-of-taxpayer-funded-failures/
A report from The Wall Street Journal found that about 22 percent of Bain’s companies either filed for bankruptcy or liquidated within eight years after the private-equity firm acquired them. That leaves 78 percent of its businesses that avoided such trouble. Furthermore, only four of the companies that produced Bain’s 10 biggest gains ended up in bankruptcy court, according to the Journal.
This is from the Washington Post's Fact Checker.
Message edited by author 2012-10-27 21:22:22. |
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10/27/2012 09:40:13 PM · #262 |
Originally posted by Venser:
You do realize the US pays one of the lowest income tax percentages in all of the G20. How much lower do you want them to go?
Not only that, your level of service for things like health care and education is ranked fairly low also. I understand causation, correlation, and coincidence are not the same, but it makes you wonder, especially when you see the countries ranked ahead of the US. |
Acording to the Oxford University Centre for Business Taxation, 2011
The United States falls to the 16th from the bottom of the 19 countrys in the G20. There are only 3 countrys that pay HIGHER taxes out of the 19 than we do. 15 countrys out of 19 pay LOWER taxes than we do.
www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2012/excheq-income-tax-2042.pdf
This website lists the US as 10th out of 19 highest in Personal income tax.
Message edited by author 2012-10-27 21:49:34. |
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10/27/2012 09:50:18 PM · #263 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
I enjoyed the Daily Show's look at Romney's claim during the first presidential debate that Obama gave $90 billion to green energy companies, half of which went bankrupt.In fact of the 26 recipients of Department of Energy 1705 loan guarantees, only three have filed for bankruptcy, amounting to about 6 percent of the loan guarantee funds.
He contrasted that with the 22% of companies that Bain Capital invested in that went bankrupt. So where is the genius business man that will save our economy? Ask David Stockman, the man Ronald Reagan put in the Office of Manegment and Budget and helped set the econimic policy of that admninistration.
"Mitt Romney was not a businessman; he was a master financial speculator who bought, sold, flipped, and stripped businesses. He did not build enterprises the old-fashioned way—out of inspiration, perspiration, and a long slog in the free market fostering a new product, service, or process of production. Instead, he spent his 15 years raising debt in prodigious amounts on Wall Street so that Bain could purchase the pots and pans and castoffs of corporate America, leverage them to the hilt, gussy them up as reborn “roll-ups,” and then deliver them back to Wall Street for resale—the faster the better." |
I find that in life when you do something really well you don't need to tell people that you're good at it. You're actions speak for you. The fact that Romney has had to call himself a "job creator" 100,000 or so times is enough to tell anyone listening that he's not a job creator. In fact anything that comes out of a politician's mouth should be interpreted as the opposite. |
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10/27/2012 09:53:23 PM · #264 |
Originally posted by Digipixer:
Originally posted by Venser:
You do realize the US pays one of the lowest income tax percentages in all of the G20. How much lower do you want them to go?
Not only that, your level of service for things like health care and education is ranked fairly low also. I understand causation, correlation, and coincidence are not the same, but it makes you wonder, especially when you see the countries ranked ahead of the US. |
Acording to the Oxford University Centre for Business Taxation, 2011
The United States falls to the 16th from the bottom of the 19 countrys in the G20. There are only 3 countrys that pay HIGHER taxes out of the 19 than we do. 15 countrys out of 19 pay LOWER taxes than we do.
www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2012/excheq-income-tax-2042.pdf
This website lists the US as 10th out of 19 highest in Personal income tax. |
...am I reading this wrong or is there some confusion here as it relates to personal income taxes versus corporate taxes.
I have had a long day and maybe just one beer too many. :O)
Ray |
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10/27/2012 09:53:31 PM · #265 |
No, I was just stating that for both corporate and personal income tax we do not have one of the LOWEST tax rates in the G20 as was stated earlier by Venser.
Message edited by author 2012-10-27 22:34:59. |
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10/28/2012 01:22:23 AM · #266 |
Originally posted by Digipixer:
No, I was just stating that for both corporate and personal income tax we do not have one of the LOWEST tax rates in the G20 as was stated earlier by Venser. |
I was talking about personal income tax rates. I should have been clearer.
Message edited by author 2012-10-28 01:22:50. |
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10/28/2012 03:04:31 AM · #267 |
Originally posted by Digipixer:
A report from The Wall Street Journal found that about 22 percent of Bain’s companies either filed for bankruptcy or liquidated within eight years after the private-equity firm acquired them. That leaves 78 percent of its businesses that avoided such trouble. Furthermore, only four of the companies that produced Bain’s 10 biggest gains ended up in bankruptcy court, according to the Journal.
This is from the Washington Post's Fact Checker. |
So Obama's green energy companies (a pretty lousy sector if profit is all you are looking for frankly) have a 92% rate of survival, while Bain's rate is 78% survivors of companies they invest in, and Bain's big money winners are 60% survivors. Where is the room to point fingers here?
This notion that it is wrong for the President to pick losers and winners puzzles me. If you can't pick what sectors of the economy you ought to stimulate, how can you pick where you want to cut taxes,provide incentives, build freeways, or fight wars? If you can't pick losers and winners, please stay out of the Oval Office. |
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10/28/2012 10:19:53 AM · #268 |
Originally posted by Digipixer:
The problem is that they are automaticaly going to go up...if Congress does nothing, and they will go up if this Administration remains the same. |
And Romney claims (at least for the moment) that he's going to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, AND spend another $2 trillion on the military, AND lower everyone's taxes by 20 percent, AND get rid of the deficit and debt!! And how is he going to pay for all this?? Oh yeah, by cutting Big Bird and Planned Parenthood. So we get to keep all the good stuff (or most of it), and pay less too!
Right.....
As my husband would say, Romney's "plan" should be labeled "faith-based economics," because it sure as hell isn't reality based....
Message edited by author 2012-10-28 10:20:49. |
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10/28/2012 11:31:40 AM · #269 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Digipixer:
The problem is that they are automaticaly going to go up...if Congress does nothing, and they will go up if this Administration remains the same. |
And Romney claims (at least for the moment) that he's going to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, AND spend another $2 trillion on the military, AND lower everyone's taxes by 20 percent, AND get rid of the deficit and debt!! And how is he going to pay for all this?? Oh yeah, by cutting Big Bird and Planned Parenthood. So we get to keep all the good stuff (or most of it), and pay less too!
Right.....
As my husband would say, Romney's "plan" should be labeled "faith-based economics," because it sure as hell isn't reality based.... |
He's going to close the loopholes without being explicit as to what they actually are.
See Judith, problem averted. |
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10/28/2012 01:47:21 PM · #270 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Digipixer:
The problem is that they are automaticaly going to go up...if Congress does nothing, and they will go up if this Administration remains the same. |
And Romney claims (at least for the moment) that he's going to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, AND spend another $2 trillion on the military, AND lower everyone's taxes by 20 percent, AND get rid of the deficit and debt!! And how is he going to pay for all this?? Oh yeah, by cutting Big Bird and Planned Parenthood. So we get to keep all the good stuff (or most of it), and pay less too!
Right.....
As my husband would say, Romney's "plan" should be labeled "faith-based economics," because it sure as hell isn't reality based.... |
He's going to close the loopholes without being explicit as to what they actually are.
See Judith, problem averted. |
Ya, except that his "plan" retains the two loopholes that benefit the wealthiest, and now he's saying that his "plan" can be altered to include a $25,000 deduction for all. Of course, he doesn't tell you that in order to remain revenue neutral, tax rates will have to be lowered quite a bit less than the 20 percent he promises, to accommodate all those $25,000 deductions. I guess he also doesn't understand that the system is dynamic and that you can't change one piece and expect all the other pieces to remain static. So much for the genius businessman. |
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10/29/2012 11:19:38 AM · #271 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
And Romney claims ... AND get rid of the deficit and debt!! |
No. He claims that he will "put us on a path" to reduce the deficit. Quite a different position actually. |
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10/30/2012 02:59:46 PM · #272 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Digipixer:
The problem is that they are automaticaly going to go up...if Congress does nothing, and they will go up if this Administration remains the same. |
And Romney claims (at least for the moment) that he's going to protect Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, AND spend another $2 trillion on the military, AND lower everyone's taxes by 20 percent, AND get rid of the deficit and debt!! And how is he going to pay for all this?? Oh yeah, by cutting Big Bird and Planned Parenthood. So we get to keep all the good stuff (or most of it), and pay less too!
Right.....
As my husband would say, Romney's "plan" should be labeled "faith-based economics," because it sure as hell isn't reality based.... |
He's going to close the loopholes without being explicit as to what they actually are.
See Judith, problem averted. |
This is America. You're suppose to get lost in his eyes and not worry about anything else. Now if he was uglier then yeah he'd have some explaining to do. |
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11/01/2012 10:23:01 AM · #273 |
Interesting things I just read about your country and elections.
1 - Nevada has a None Of The Above option on their ballots. Love this idea. Instead of not voting, which can be attributed to apathy, actually showing up and saying you're all shit is a statement.
2 - There's a scenario where it would be Romney and Biden in the White House. If the electoral college had a tie, the election for president goes to the House of Representatives, controlled by the Republicans. Assuredly they would choose Romney. But the VP is chosen by the Senate, which is Democrat controlled.
3 - The US has the worst voter turnout for modern democracies. It hasn't cracked 60% voter turnout since 1968. In 1996, it actually fell below 50%, which is abysmal. |
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11/01/2012 10:48:48 AM · #274 |
Originally posted by Venser:
3 - The US has the worst voter turnout for modern democracies. It hasn't cracked 60% voter turnout since 1968. In 1996, it actually fell below 50%, which is abysmal. |
Yes these stats are horrible and correct. However, this election may boost the numbers.
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11/01/2012 10:57:54 AM · #275 |
| Hey Venser, what is the voter turnout like in Canada, I've never followed your elections. Does the French speaking part still want to split off? |
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