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06/12/2013 09:58:10 AM · #276 |
| Wrong thread Spork. Stick to the I Win thread. |
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06/12/2013 09:58:56 AM · #277 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
The biggest difference between Obama and Bush is in their personal style. |
if by "style" you mean "color," then maybe. |
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06/12/2013 12:40:23 PM · #278 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The biggest difference between Obama and Bush is in their personal style. |
if by "style" you mean "color," then maybe. |
Not really. Bush's style was to act the part of the "Good 'ol Boy" from Texas. Obama plays up the "Harvard educated, inspirational orator" role. Overall, they really aren't that different. Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
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06/12/2013 01:06:45 PM · #279 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
This case is one of many examples that has disappointed those of us who had hoped for change in the executive branch. It may be that the role of POTUS has more momentum built into the role than can be changed by whomever takes on the role. |
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06/12/2013 01:13:39 PM · #280 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
This case is one of many examples that has disappointed those of us who had hoped for change in the executive branch. It may be that the role of POTUS has more momentum built into the role than can be changed by whomever takes on the role. |
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06/12/2013 01:18:13 PM · #281 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
This case is one of many examples that has disappointed those of us who had hoped for change in the executive branch. It may be that the role of POTUS has more momentum built into the role than can be changed by whomever takes on the role. |
Or... that most, if not all, seeking the role are liars. |
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06/12/2013 05:08:49 PM · #282 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The biggest difference between Obama and Bush is in their personal style. |
if by "style" you mean "color," then maybe. |
Not really. Bush's style was to act the part of the "Good 'ol Boy" from Texas. Obama plays up the "Harvard educated, inspirational orator" role. Overall, they really aren't that different. Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
Obama actually did get educated at Harvard. He doesn't put on tweed jackets so it looks like he was educated at Harvard. |
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06/12/2013 05:32:06 PM · #283 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The biggest difference between Obama and Bush is in their personal style. |
if by "style" you mean "color," then maybe. |
Not really. Bush's style was to act the part of the "Good 'ol Boy" from Texas. Obama plays up the "Harvard educated, inspirational orator" role. Overall, they really aren't that different. Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
Obama actually did get educated at Harvard. He doesn't put on tweed jackets so it looks like he was educated at Harvard. |
I was being a bit facetious, of course- playing on the proposition that the liberal media doesn't care about the things that Obama does that are identical to those of W. In reality, day after day conservatives and tea-partiers are newly outraged with actions of Obama that are much more tame than those of W- and that, is because of color.
But there is a big difference, W was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. Obama rose from nowhere, was the editor of Harvard Law review, actually does have a super intellect(whether you like him or not). Go watch the interviews with Bush prior to the first election. He knew very little about foreign policy, etc. Details weren't his thing. (Except when it came to believing the bullshit concept that Israel had to be in place for the Second Coming to occur.) |
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06/12/2013 05:47:05 PM · #284 |
I don't know of any Bush supporters that ever wanted to have his baby, unlike some Obama supporters who seem to want to have his. Wow, Paul, I mean wow.
I realize some of you O supporters have invested 8 years of hate (against Bush) and nearly 7 years of blind idol worship, but at some point, you need to take the blinders off. |
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06/12/2013 05:48:29 PM · #285 |
| Man, BJ is starting to stray into Judith territory. -7 or -8 on the left/right spectrum according to the quiz at Political Compass? |
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06/12/2013 06:01:11 PM · #286 |
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06/12/2013 06:37:51 PM · #287 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
This case is one of many examples that has disappointed those of us who had hoped for change in the executive branch. It may be that the role of POTUS has more momentum built into the role than can be changed by whomever takes on the role. |
Or... that most, if not all, seeking the role are liars. |
From a personal perspective, I do believe that although their initial intents were laudable, they find that once in office they really DO NOT have the power to make the dramatic changes that they had envisioned.
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06/12/2013 06:59:09 PM · #288 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
they find that once in office they really DO NOT have the power to make the dramatic changes that they had envisioned. |
If you have never seen Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address of January 17, 1961, it is worth watching. He speaks of the rise of a new thing, the "Military Industrial Complex" and what it's impacts may be. New tools of immense power once created are very hard to put away. It takes a great deal of force to shift the momentum of something as large as the government, no matter if it is making tanks the military does not want, or gathering information through the NSA. However we react to the now public knowledge of these breaches of privacy will set the standards our children will have to live with. |
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06/12/2013 07:46:41 PM · #289 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
they find that once in office they really DO NOT have the power to make the dramatic changes that they had envisioned. |
If you have never seen Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address of January 17, 1961, it is worth watching. He speaks of the rise of a new thing, the "Military Industrial Complex" and what it's impacts may be... |
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890 - 1969), From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953
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06/12/2013 07:50:56 PM · #290 |
I'll argue that many of the fantastic technologies we have came from the development of weapons.
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06/12/2013 07:54:43 PM · #291 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
they find that once in office they really DO NOT have the power to make the dramatic changes that they had envisioned. |
If you have never seen Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address of January 17, 1961, it is worth watching. He speaks of the rise of a new thing, the "Military Industrial Complex" and what it's impacts may be. New tools of immense power once created are very hard to put away. It takes a great deal of force to shift the momentum of something as large as the government, no matter if it is making tanks the military does not want, or gathering information through the NSA. However we react to the now public knowledge of these breaches of privacy will set the standards our children will have to live with. |
100% Agree. Which is why the following reactions to me are wholly unacceptable:
"Bush did it"
"They've been doing it for years"
"It's worth it to keep us safe"
"Well I've got nothing to hide"
"If they followed the constitution, we'd never be safe"
I'll come out and admit that I did support some of these policies in the early days after 9/11 - everything I supported was based on the (naive) assumption that we were being told the truth at least about the major things. I have since come to learn that frankly, I cannot trust anything that comes from our government - Dem or Rep. And it may be true that Obama had good intentions going in, but it is clear now that he was beyond naive and he is at best, complicit. Futile as it sounds, I'm all for impeachment, a complete purge of congress and criminal charges for all the violations of the past by all those involved - yes, I am fine with throwing GWB on trial for his myriad of constitutional and criminal offenses as well. From all the wars, to the banking bailouts to the stealing and squandering of the people's money - hang 'em all!!
...see why I don't come in here very often - self-incrimination abounds. Good thing I use an alias. ;-) |
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06/12/2013 08:06:16 PM · #292 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Their words and the way they deliver them to the people are certainly different, but in substance, they are much closer together. |
This case is one of many examples that has disappointed those of us who had hoped for change in the executive branch. It may be that the role of POTUS has more momentum built into the role than can be changed by whomever takes on the role. |
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
--Lord Acton, Letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton, 1887
Originally posted by Mike:
I'll argue that many of the fantastic technologies we have came from the development of weapons. |
Particularly in the areas of treatment of traumatic injury and development of prosthetics ... :-( |
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06/12/2013 08:44:21 PM · #293 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, BJ is starting to stray into Judith territory. -7 or -8 on the left/right spectrum according to the quiz at Political Compass? |
relax: I am not comparing him to Lincoln- I am comparing him to the worst, least intellectual prez of modern times(W) |
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06/12/2013 09:24:39 PM · #294 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, BJ is starting to stray into Judith territory. -7 or -8 on the left/right spectrum according to the quiz at Political Compass? |
I'm sure this brought a smile to your brethren in the upper right terroritory. |
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06/12/2013 11:40:23 PM · #295 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
they find that once in office they really DO NOT have the power to make the dramatic changes that they had envisioned. |
If you have never seen Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address of January 17, 1961, it is worth watching. He speaks of the rise of a new thing, the "Military Industrial Complex" and what it's impacts may be. New tools of immense power once created are very hard to put away. It takes a great deal of force to shift the momentum of something as large as the government, no matter if it is making tanks the military does not want, or gathering information through the NSA. However we react to the now public knowledge of these breaches of privacy will set the standards our children will have to live with. |
100% Agree. Which is why the following reactions to me are wholly unacceptable:
"Bush did it"
"They've been doing it for years"
"It's worth it to keep us safe"
"Well I've got nothing to hide"
"If they followed the constitution, we'd never be safe"
I'll come out and admit that I did support some of these policies in the early days after 9/11 - everything I supported was based on the (naive) assumption that we were being told the truth at least about the major things. I have since come to learn that frankly, I cannot trust anything that comes from our government - Dem or Rep. And it may be true that Obama had good intentions going in, but it is clear now that he was beyond naive and he is at best, complicit. Futile as it sounds, I'm all for impeachment, a complete purge of congress and criminal charges for all the violations of the past by all those involved - yes, I am fine with throwing GWB on trial for his myriad of constitutional and criminal offenses as well. From all the wars, to the banking bailouts to the stealing and squandering of the people's money - hang 'em all!!
...see why I don't come in here very often - self-incrimination abounds. Good thing I use an alias. ;-) |
Unfortunately, we'll never do it, and that's probably the only real solution - the government behaves like a petulant child that's never been spanked. |
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06/12/2013 11:55:14 PM · #296 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Unfortunately, we'll never do it, and that's probably the only real solution - the government behaves like a petulant child that's never been spanked. |
...yup, and there's all kinds of relatives waving candy in front of them. |
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06/12/2013 11:56:42 PM · #297 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Man, BJ is starting to stray into Judith territory. -7 or -8 on the left/right spectrum according to the quiz at Political Compass? |
I'm sure this brought a smile to your brethren in the upper right terroritory. |
I took the test again just to see if it stays the same. I'm -2, -1. Nice and central. Right there in Ghandi's neighborhood. I dunno why you tend to forget these things. |
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06/13/2013 12:01:52 AM · #298 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
they find that once in office they really DO NOT have the power to make the dramatic changes that they had envisioned. |
If you have never seen Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address of January 17, 1961, it is worth watching. He speaks of the rise of a new thing, the "Military Industrial Complex" and what it's impacts may be... |
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890 - 1969), From a speech before the American Society of Newspaper Editors, April 16, 1953
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Wow. |
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06/13/2013 01:00:19 AM · #299 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
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I took the test again just to see if it stays the same. I'm -2, -1. Nice and central. Right there in Ghandi's neighborhood. I dunno why you tend to forget these things. |
This is why I think that test is bogus. It's got me slightly below Ghandi. Complete BS. It even has Obama on the right. Did you see that???? Horse hockey. |
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06/13/2013 01:20:29 AM · #300 |
| Interesting - There's a petition on the White House site demanding Obama resign. |
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