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04/26/2021 06:14:48 PM · #251 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by BaldurT:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
So if you know about the Facebook page why aren't you posting to it? Or actively urging others to do so? |
Is the FB page a part of DCP? I was always under the impression it was just a fan page, since I never saw any official post there about the challenges etc. |
I believe you are correct -- that's why it's labeled as the "unofficial" FB page. However I was under the impression that post there would still "count" toward improving the site's visibility. |
I think an official page with challenges and winners listed, where we could invite friends to "Like" the page would go a long way for some free exposure. |
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05/11/2021 11:06:58 AM · #252 |
I think (and I thought hard on this one, so got a few new gray hairs) That one of the biggest things holding this site back is the lack of thumbs up or thumbs down button.
Thnk about it. if you only changed tihs one thing on here I really think it would improve.
Why
Look at FB or Instagram or TicTok or Reddit. They all have that feature. In this day and age, everyone wants to feel like they have said something and someone has acknowledged or read it. People give it a thumb up.
You could write whatever on this forum and have no idea if someone agrees with you or not. People want to feel like other people have seen it. No one wants to copy and paste entire things and quote to answer or say, yeah I get it or no I disagree. Some do and we all do it on here.
But just changing that 1 thing, is instant feedback, pleasure, happiness, sadness, etc etc
If it didn't work, then all the above Pages I mentioned wouldn't have them. There wouldn't be teenagers making millions of dollars
I mean the new site is at a stale mate with whatever. So a simple right now solution could be a line of code of like or dislike button
Cus I know I would like to Like a few posts and roll my eyeballs at some other posts.
If the big giants of the internet can do it, why can't we. |
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05/11/2021 12:02:26 PM · #253 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
I think (and I thought hard on this one, so got a few new gray hairs) That one of the biggest things holding this site back is the lack of thumbs up or thumbs down button.
Thnk about it. if you only changed tihs one thing on here I really think it would improve.
Why
Look at FB or Instagram or TicTok or Reddit. They all have that feature. In this day and age, everyone wants to feel like they have said something and someone has acknowledged or read it. People give it a thumb up.
You could write whatever on this forum and have no idea if someone agrees with you or not. People want to feel like other people have seen it. No one wants to copy and paste entire things and quote to answer or say, yeah I get it or no I disagree. Some do and we all do it on here.
But just changing that 1 thing, is instant feedback, pleasure, happiness, sadness, etc etc
If it didn't work, then all the above Pages I mentioned wouldn't have them. There wouldn't be teenagers making millions of dollars
I mean the new site is at a stale mate with whatever. So a simple right now solution could be a line of code of like or dislike button
Cus I know I would like to Like a few posts and roll my eyeballs at some other posts.
If the big giants of the internet can do it, why can't we. |
I would give this comment a thumbs up if I had that option! :-) |
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05/11/2021 12:19:08 PM · #254 |
Originally posted by Elaine:
I would give this comment a thumbs up if I had that option! :-) |
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05/11/2021 01:23:39 PM · #255 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
If the big giants of the internet can do it, why can't we. |
Maybe because they have a gazillion (of our) dollars to pay people to do "it" ...? |
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05/12/2021 07:04:50 AM · #256 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
If the big giants of the internet can do it, why can't we. |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Maybe because they have a gazillion (of our) dollars to pay people to do "it" ...? |
First, I'm thinkin' the question was somewhat rhetorical, second the answer you gave really wasn't an answer.
This kind of a response to a genuinely well written and posed question is really not helpful, ESPECIALLY as we're struggling now.
Have a little respect to those who have been here, participate, and bring something special to the table, okay?
So......is it that big of a deal to do such a thing?
It doesn't seem like much, but some of us truly aren't knowledgeable at all when it comes to adding things to a website so this *IS* a legitimate question.
Perhaps if you don't have the ability to answer this in a way that anyone could easily understand it, you could sit this one out.
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05/12/2021 08:21:27 AM · #257 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
If the big giants of the internet can do it, why can't we. |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Maybe because they have a gazillion (of our) dollars to pay people to do "it" ...? |
First, I'm thinkin' the question was somewhat rhetorical, second the answer you gave really wasn't an answer.
This kind of a response to a genuinely well written and posed question is really not helpful, ESPECIALLY as we're struggling now.
Have a little respect to those who have been here, participate, and bring something special to the table, okay?
So......is it that big of a deal to do such a thing?
It doesn't seem like much, but some of us truly aren't knowledgeable at all when it comes to adding things to a website so this *IS* a legitimate question.
Perhaps if you don't have the ability to answer this in a way that anyone could easily understand it, you could sit this one out. |
Well - it DOES take money and time to make changes to an existing website. DPChallenge vs Facebook?! I'd say there's a substantial imbalance there in terms of resources available.
So â€Â¦ let's consider this change.
1) Like / Dislike - that's what was asked for. Dislike seems so, um, harsh? How about a few icons then. Which ones?
2) "instant feedback" - that means what; being able to click an icon and being happy that you did so? Or does it mean watching the likes / dislikes change in numbers? What is "instant feedback"?
3) I'd imagine that some tracking / accumulation of the Like / Dislike (or other icon choices) is desired? Yes? Now we're talking about a bit more work. Do you want just accumulative numbers, or do you want the user names to associate with the corresponding choices?
4) More on feedback â€Â¦ do you want an email when someone selects an icon on your post, or do you want to be left in the dark after making a forum post not knowing if it's Liked or not unless you actually come back and look at the forum thread?
5) If you post to the forum thread do you want to be notified if someone quotes your post? If you're watching your Like / Dislike trends you may want to know.
6) Should the DPChallenge Help/FAQ/Forum Rules pages be updated to reflect this new functionality?
7) Are any additional metrics desired; i.e. - on users profile page?
Then, once decisions are made to the exact specification of the above changes it needs to be tested before deployment to the production site. I'm not sure if a 'test' site is available or not. Probably is (should be).
It can be a bit of a slippery slope. A small change can create quite the ripple effect. No big deal if you're Facebook with revenue to support the development effort. Here? Well â€Â¦ spend time and effort on the new site, or divert time and energy away from that to update this one? It's a trade-off. |
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05/12/2021 09:22:37 AM · #258 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Bunch of relevant points |
08 - Do you allow a person to retract their like/dislike?
09 - Can a user see who liked/disliked a comment? Only their own? All of them?
10 - It's now another thing to potentially monitor for the admins. Do they want to do this? |
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05/12/2021 10:30:47 AM · #259 |
| speaking as a web programmer, it's more than a line of code. the code for this site was written before thumb technology. all the logic and database additions would have to be specially coded. |
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05/12/2021 01:37:04 PM · #260 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
speaking as a web programmer, it's more than a line of code. the code for this site was written before thumb technology. all the logic and database additions would have to be specially coded. |
It really doesn't make sense to update this version, but might be worth adding to the updated version (if that is still happening). |
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05/12/2021 09:32:14 PM · #261 |
Nothing seems to be happening with the other new site, so why not plow what resources there are into a site that is basically working.
I don't know code. But it seems that thumbs up or icons whatever, is a lot less smaller job.
I just know, that the big sites all use some sort of thumbs up, or heart, or sad face angry face. It works for them and it brings people back to look at the question , comment. You see a down button, what do you do, you ask why. It doesn't have to have a name attached to it, cus at the moment there are only a certain amount of people here , so you can pretty much guess who likes or dislikes your face.
People are naturally curious, if they see other people with a limit of 4 reactions, they are going to want to know and keep coming back, discussion will increase or arguments. I am not sure.
You say the price and or time. Well it can not be more time or money than trying to make a new website that is obviously not quite working out as planned.
Have the button just for General, not anything else, it is not needed anywhere else. Just the general comments. People will come back with out having an email notification, because people are naturally curious.
I mean how far off is this horizon, I do know it is too far away for a lot of people and since it was started and is still ongoing, people have left. Come back and left again, cus nothing changes.
Human beings, do or do not like change. But something has too.
I personally believe that this one small change (in the grand scheme of things) will have people rechecking in and looking at threads, people thrive on drama, they thrive on being acknowledged, they thrive on pointing out different points of views, they thrive on being happy when someone likes their comment , they thrive on people not likening their comment and want to know why, so they will post again.
This site used to be Facebook, Instagram, we could spend all day on here in the forums, asking questions, posting all sorts of stuff.
Is it really that difficult in the grand scheme of things?
I know we have a FB page (unofficial) and it does not rock. Do we have an Instagram site??
As I said, I do not know about code. People on here obviously do, as volunteers rewrote an entire site that is not working. So would it not be possible to take a little thing like this and make it happen. How much would it theoretically cost in dollars?
I think I covered all your questions with answers.
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05/12/2021 09:43:07 PM · #262 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
If the big giants of the internet can do it, why can't we. |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Maybe because they have a gazillion (of our) dollars to pay people to do "it" ...? |
First, I'm thinkin' the question was somewhat rhetorical, second the answer you gave really wasn't an answer.
So......is it that big of a deal to do such a thing?
It doesn't seem like much, but some of us truly aren't knowledgeable at all when it comes to adding things to a website so this *IS* a legitimate question.
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I think it is a legitimate question.
Maybe my mind is stuck on the fact that people do and say things, and there is no way we can give a thumbs up, it is an acknowledgment that "Hey, yeah we read what you wrote, thanks" We all crave that, we all want to know one way or another, that we are acknowledged and thought of.
At this point, I know that I have said some things and I thought they where a pretty good answer or question. But you would never know if the comment was even read, or seen, or if the well though t out point of view or not, was read. People are just left hanging unless they go to the lil old buttons up there and you paste an copy etc etc. And 3/4 of the people wont go with that step, too much work.
Some of the reasons I am saying this all, is that I have had 2 teenagers at home doing their schools through Zoom. There classes involves how we evolve in Social media, how it can be tamed, how etiquette comes about, how to protect, how to acknowledged. How to be connected , how you feel, how another person feels.
This is where we are at in life now. They are teaching Middle School and Highs School lesson, on how to be present and meaningful on Social Media and how it works. This is stuck in the 1999-2000 era. It has not progressed. People make their living and earn millions with that like and dislike button.
If a new site is stuck and not moving forward, use the bare bones solid site that is now here and add small things.
Anyways, that is my tuppence, I have to study for a WWII final exam and how that has benefitted the technology/medical science of the world we live in today. Ironic huh
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05/12/2021 09:50:33 PM · #263 |
and just a thought, someone pulled out the messaging system that we never used to have.
So
See it can be done. |
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05/12/2021 10:01:45 PM · #264 |
And here is another thing
We have 3,300 paying members at $25. a year (this year)
that equals
$82,500 a year from paid members.
So where is that going, when everyone is volunteering their time for this site, their time for the new site, unpaid skills, unpaid council, everyone is volunteering.
So I understand that there are probably a lot of web hosting web site fees , (lets ay 20 grand a year) and stuff I have no idea about. But there is no advertising that I can see. You wanna increase the members, you want to increase the revenue, you want more people.
What really is the nitty gritty here. I dunno, educate me.
You have to speculate to accumulate.
Message edited by author 2021-05-12 22:07:13. |
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05/12/2021 10:10:08 PM · #265 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
And here is another thing
We have 3,300 paying members at $25. a year (this year)
that equals
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I see 265 paying members ... $6625. |
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05/12/2021 10:20:01 PM · #266 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
And here is another thing
We have 3,300 paying members at $25. a year (this year)
that equals
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I see 265 paying members ... $6625. |
I don't think she realizes what programmers earn.
Good programmers are expensive.
And adding a simple feature is rarely simple. The design underneath is everything. I'll assume the underlying code is a mess. They probably added one feature after another never refactoring anything. Fast forward a couple of years and now you have spaghetti code that no one wants to deal with. |
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05/12/2021 10:33:58 PM · #267 |
There are 10 pages with 30 paying members (not registered User) per page out of 3609 pages, so 30 x 3,300 at $25. = 82,500. That is what is shown on here.
And SHE, excuse me, what am I the Cat's Mother. I have a name.
Message edited by author 2021-05-12 22:37:15. |
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05/12/2021 10:38:37 PM · #268 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There are 10 pages with 30 paying members per page out of 3609 pages, so 30 x 3,300 at $25. = 82,500. That is what is shown on here.
And SHE, excuse me, what am I the Cat's Mother. I have a name. |
261 members x $25 = $6525.
At least that's what I'm seeing.
And sorry about the name. |
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05/12/2021 10:43:56 PM · #269 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There are 10 pages with 30 paying members (not registered User) per page out of 3609 pages, so 30 x 3,300 at $25. = 82,500. That is what is shown on here. |
30 x 10 = 300, not 3,300 ...
Where are you getting your stats from? |
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05/12/2021 10:54:03 PM · #270 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There are 10 pages with 30 paying members (not registered User) per page out of 3609 pages, so 30 x 3,300 at $25. = 82,500. That is what is shown on here. |
30 x 10 = 300, not 3,300 ...
Where are you getting your stats from? |
I hate my math...................... OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
I suck so much,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, so ignore every single math thing I said, cus somehow I added another 0 and then did weird arse calculations.
BUT, still doesn't go to show you, that you all came back to look at the thread to show and see that I was wrong. Now imagine all the down votes and of all the people that would say I was wrong and agree with you all that I totally screwed up the math and I was am imbecile. Look at the traffic it would get.
PS ,Bear Music had to teach me simple fractions when my kid was in 5th grade. I have Dyscalculia. So I do apologize to you all about my math IQ
P.P.S I will not delete my terrible math conclusion, so that it goes to show, I am wrong an d you all where correct, in showing me the correct math.
Message edited by author 2021-05-12 23:36:08. |
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05/12/2021 11:04:40 PM · #271 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There are 10 pages with 30 paying members per page out of 3609 pages, so 30 x 3,300 at $25. = 82,500. That is what is shown on here.
And SHE, excuse me, what am I the Cat's Mother. I have a name. |
And sorry about the name. |
Accepted,
I am ignorant when it comes to the pay of programmers, but they seemed willing to do it for free for the new site.
I have made valid points and not one has sat back and thought about it and come up with anything.
Why is that?
Have an official FB site, have an Official Instagram, show all the old masters we had, show their photos, show all the new photos. Manipulate the system. Get the young involved with their TikTok, the amount of set ups and showing end photo, is stunning.
Message edited by author 2021-05-12 23:08:44. |
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05/13/2021 04:14:59 PM · #272 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
Wow. Just checked out the Facebook page. The last post was MAY 2020 (nearly a year ago) ... |
Actually, there are newer posts (I was surprised also) but you have to go inside, under the More/Community link. Not sure how you get stuff to show up on the main page (has to be posted by whoever is "running" this FB page). |
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07/26/2021 12:20:31 PM · #273 |
Originally posted by MeMex2:
I know that Covid interrupted the process of engineering the site, but Beta testing happened a while ago and I was wondering if there
is any news as to when the new version will be released?
I have been hoping that it will be visually appealing and along with it will come advertising and promotion that will attract new
players. We have been limping along for a quite a while with the promise of better things down the pike. How far away are we?
I'd appreciate an update. |
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10/17/2021 04:59:22 PM · #274 |
Where is Mita and where does the new and improved version of DPC stand?
Someone posted recently that it is going to take 'deep pockets' to professionally redesign and reprogram DPC.
If Mita does not have the time or resources maybe he should find someone who does. DPC is a gem and it really
deserves to be taken off life support by someone who has the means to invest in a professional overhaul. imho |
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10/21/2021 07:54:53 AM · #275 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There are 10 pages with 30 paying members per page out of 3609 pages, so 30 x 3,300 at $25. = 82,500. That is what is shown on here.
And SHE, excuse me, what am I the Cat's Mother. I have a name. |
And sorry about the name. |
Accepted,
I am ignorant when it comes to the pay of programmers, but they seemed willing to do it for free for the new site.
I have made valid points and not one has sat back and thought about it and come up with anything.
Why is that?
Have an official FB site, have an Official Instagram, show all the old masters we had, show their photos, show all the new photos. Manipulate the system. Get the young involved with their TikTok, the amount of set ups and showing end photo, is stunning. |
I believe I called these points out years ago in the thread linked below. I still cannot believe three years on what a missed opportunity this site was, short sightedness and total lack of interest from Langdon was to blame, he was happy pocketing the cash for it until it was only breaking even (if that) and then offloaded when it was no longer a viable asset and would have been far too costly to update and modernise. If anyone thinks DPC will be rejuvenated by the new owner then I think you will be sorely disappointed and waiting a very long time.
https://www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1361877 |
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