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07/12/2004 10:05:43 PM · #1 |
It is amazing how the facts are unimportant to so many, and how soon they forget!
Old records can still bite!!!!
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." >- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY!
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07/13/2004 06:02:57 AM · #2 |
quote, from Colin Powell, February 24, 2001:
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."
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07/13/2004 06:36:54 AM · #3 |
"Did I wander onto Slate and not realize it?" - Terry Auspitz, July 13, 2004
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07/13/2004 09:36:53 PM · #4 |
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07/14/2004 02:12:18 AM · #5 |
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07/14/2004 12:17:25 PM · #6 |
bump...some people just neeed to read it.
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07/14/2004 02:45:19 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY! |
Okay... where are the quotes proving that every one of the above people said that President Bush lied? I'd love to see those.
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07/14/2004 02:59:13 PM · #8 |
Remember, for the recent quotes the people in question were acting on the information given to them by the administration - of course they're angry to find out they were lied to.
As for the older ones, Clinton and Gore were in power at the time. People in power always try to make themselves more powerful at the expense of others. That's why government is a bad idea.
Message edited by author 2004-07-14 14:59:42. |
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07/15/2004 12:32:52 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by marginalwarfare:
That's why government is a bad idea. |
So anarchy would be a better way to go? |
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07/15/2004 01:55:38 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
Okay... where are the quotes proving that every one of the above people said that President Bush lied? I'd love to see those. |
Well, here's some of the memorable ones:
"He betrayed this country!... He played on our fears. He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops, an adventure preordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place."
Al Gore - 2/8/04
"There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing was a fraud."
Edward Kennedy - 9/18/03
It's funny how everyone but the President can blame their decisions to go to war on "bad intelligence". Wasn't Bush misled as well? Even so, Bush still stands by his decision while everyone else points fingers. Yep, no waffles here. Now that's leadership. |
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07/15/2004 12:14:26 PM · #11 |
I don't think Bush was misled.
He got the intel he demanded, even though it took setting up a scurvy Pentagon office of "intelligence" ( separate from the CIA and FBI, and manned with his political operatives) which set up a phony terror cell and gave credence to defectors already known to be liars.
He kept sending the CIA back to the drawing board until they changed their assessment s radically, and came up with the reports he now blames as misleading!
Cheney himself spent hours and hours at CIA headquarters itself - something quite improper and never done before - repeatedly telling the analysts they weren't doing their jobs correctly because they were not coming up with the "evidence" they wanted.
Well, they finally got all the "slam dunk" so-called evidence to use in their infamous speech to the U.N and the State of the Union address - nearly every word a lie.
There have been quite a few CIA people who have resigned their positions lately, and, curiously, they all tell this same story.
Bush and his crew were planning the invasion of Iraq well before 9/11!
The only people who were misled in this whole sordid affair, I (and most of the world outside of U.S. and British conservatives, I think it is fair to say) believe, were the American people, and the U.N. members.
Message edited by author 2004-07-15 12:16:54. |
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07/15/2004 12:19:00 PM · #12 |
I heard Bush was responsible for Rodger Clemen's 1st inning diaster at the all star game!!! This way, if the Rangers go to the Serise they'll have home field advantage!!!!
I'm outraged! |
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07/15/2004 12:22:18 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by thelsel:
Originally posted by marginalwarfare:
That's why government is a bad idea. |
So anarchy would be a better way to go? |
If you mean anarchy in the way that anarchists do (i.e. direct democracy implemented with a one person / one vote ideal) then yes, I do think anarchy is a better way to go. :) |
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07/15/2004 12:50:50 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I heard Bush was responsible for Rodger Clemen's 1st inning diaster at the all star game!!! This way, if the Rangers go to the Serise they'll have home field advantage!!!!
I'm outraged! |
The implication being that whatever I say is sheer nonsense? Lovely.
Well, here is an article for you.
One of the more compelling moments of Powell's speeches had to do with Saddam's supposed mobile germ warfare labs. The basis for such a charge, repeated with such certainty? The testimony of one " Curve Ball", a drunken Iraqi who the CIA ( and even the Defense office of intel) didn't believe and who they weren't even sure was who he said he was!
So, no hard evidence, just the word of a guy. Hungover, with no credibilty. Nothing solid, no credence by ANY intelligence agency. And in our State of the Union address!
//www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/11/1089484243248.html?oneclick=true
We need to wake up, people! Here is something else which just came out. It shocked me - perhaps you too.
Our own CIA now says that Saddam never gassed his own people!!!
All those dead Kurds? Killed by Iran. Iraq never had the type of agents responsible.
Maybe everything we hear in our "free" press and from this administration is - just maybe - not true?
Message edited by author 2004-07-15 12:55:46. |
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07/15/2004 02:06:04 PM · #15 |
No implication at all, just my outrage at a conspiracy theory I choose to believe. After all, how else could one of the best pitchers of all time give up 6 runs in an inning. When was the last time in Clemon's career did that happen? Just a coincidence??? I think not!
Bush planned it. I'm not sure how. Maybe we shoud get ol mike moore on the job! |
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07/15/2004 02:38:00 PM · #16 |
| Being a Red Sox fan... I would look at his Red Sox stats. It HAD to have happened at least twice at Fenway alone! :D |
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07/15/2004 02:52:41 PM · #17 |
| By the way, we want Schilling back! This Fossum guy stinks. You can have Hillenbrant back too. Why didn't you tell us he couldn't play defense? |
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07/15/2004 03:39:38 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
The only people who were misled in this whole sordid affair, I (and most of the world outside of U.S. and British conservatives, I think it is fair to say) believe, were the American people, and the U.N. members. |
When did Tony Blair join the Conservative Party? |
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07/15/2004 10:37:11 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
The implication being that whatever I say is sheer nonsense? Lovely.
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You sure seem to have a guilty conscience. |
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07/16/2004 11:17:31 AM · #20 |
| I do. Raised Jewish. Unavoidable. :D |
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08/10/2004 10:19:24 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by thelsel:
Originally posted by gingerbaker:
The only people who were misled in this whole sordid affair, I (and most of the world outside of U.S. and British conservatives, I think it is fair to say) believe, were the American people, and the U.N. members. |
When did Tony Blair join the Conservative Party? |
Several years ago... |
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08/10/2004 10:38:18 PM · #22 |
The problem is not with the facts. The problem lies with the current state of the Democratic Party. This party has allowed its worst element to come to the forefront. There use to be time that these people lied about theor position. They are now like fleas in the open.
This group is the group that yells the loudest, they are like those people that jump a line. Consider, they have turned Mochael Moore into a Mascot. here is a looney who has no respect for facts.
I see no point in defending this argument any longer since this rabid left spews only lies. They have no shame and they just scream and holler.
They have trashed the founders of this Great Country. They believe that the Constitution is a life breathing entity ready to mutate. They hate America and all its institutions. Their very school are filled with looney-left professors whose agenda is the extreme left.
No matter what facts are presented or what evidence is brought forward they spit on the facts and the evidence. They are proud and happy that they hold idiotic and bizzare concepts. They think America is ready for them....let us see.... |
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08/10/2004 10:39:53 PM · #23 |
I hope dpchallenge has unlimited ignore this thread feature!
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