Hope . . . less! - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM II

08/25/2004 12:47:48 AM · #4

What is hope without despair?

Its a tough topic to represent in a photo, so its open to different interpertations..

ScantyNebula

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/25/2004 12:49:06 AM · #5

Hmm .. ok hope is hoping for someting .. desiring something and expecting to acheive it. Something like that. I'm not sure what I think about your post yet until I vote on some more.

nico_blue

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/25/2004 01:11:31 AM · #6

Originally posted by Gatorguy:

I noticed that too. I've just finished my first pass through and have voted those of that ilk lower. IMO, the challenge is Hope, not hopeless or dispair.

Stop being so closed minded. Hope can be found in every situation, even in hopelessness and despair, and that is what makes it so powerful.

08/25/2004 01:33:55 AM · #7

Originally posted by ScantyNebula:

Hmm .. ok hope is hoping for someting .. desiring something and expecting to acheive it. Something like that. I'm not sure what I think about your post yet until I vote on some more.

My guideline is: having done everything that can be done and it is still not a certainty; and has left nothing but desire and anticipation.

David

Duke Deltree

Fujifilm FinePix S7000

08/25/2004 01:57:55 AM · #8

Hope will live in some small spark till the very end, waiting for winds of change to fan it into a blaze. Despair never defeats hope completely.

singale

Nikon D1X

08/25/2004 02:03:44 AM · #9

looking at the pictures in hope , i regreat of not putting my picutres , i hope i would have had got a ribbon :) 'hope'

08/25/2004 02:11:21 AM · #10

Originally posted by tyt2000:

What is hope without despair?

Its a tough topic to represent in a photo, so its open to different interpertations..

Hope stands on its own, without the nned for dispair ... despair can only exist where it feeds on hope.

Originally posted by dartompkins:

My take on it is that if you see the dispair in the photo, look to see if it also represents the hope the despair is feeding on. They mis-communicated the intent of the challenge, so judge them accordingly -- but the hope is probably there somewhere, so they are not completely off-topic.

David

/edit: formatting

Message edited by author 2004-08-25 02:11:44.

singale

Nikon D1X

08/25/2004 02:13:29 AM · #11

brit , still nothing is really , you can say 'wow' , what a great picture , right? , in my opinion.

nico_blue

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/25/2004 02:15:05 AM · #12

Originally posted by Duke Deltree:

Hope will live in some small spark till the very end, waiting for winds of change to fan it into a blaze. Despair never defeats hope completely.

amen!

wahsabi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

08/25/2004 02:21:22 AM · #13

do we vote based on how good of photo it is or how closely we feel they followed the challenge guidelines. I figure vote on the photo and if it didn't meet the guidlines it will be disqualified.

08/25/2004 02:26:40 AM · #14

Originally posted by singale:

brit , still nothing is really , you can say 'wow' , what a great picture , right? , in my opinion.

Of course, a great picture will always be better than a not so great picture. This is a photography contest after all, so I vote on the merits of the photo ... but, one of those merits is how well does it convey the topic of the challenge. Putting all prejudice of subject matter aside -- those images that convey the topic well deserve a better score than those that do not ... in my opinion.

David
I'm afraid I didn't understand what you meant by 'still nothing is really'.

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

08/25/2004 02:31:28 AM · #15

Originally posted by wahsabi:

do we vote based on how good of photo it is or how closely we feel they followed the challenge guidelines. I figure vote on the photo and if it didn't meet the guidlines it will be disqualified.

A photo will not be DQ'ed for not meeting the challenge ... that is far too subjective to call. However, in the challenge rules it states, "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly" (emphasis in original). So, yes, your score should take into consideration how well it conveys the challenge topic too you.

David

Gatorguy

Nikon D700

08/25/2004 08:34:59 AM · #16

Originally posted by nico_blue:

Originally posted by Gatorguy:
I noticed that too. I've just finished my first pass through and have voted those of that ilk lower. IMO, the challenge is Hope, not hopeless or despair.

Stop being so closed minded. Hope can be found in every situation, even in hopelessness and despair, and that is what makes it so powerful.

Yes, I suppose so... I could take a picture of a fence post and call it hope. It would be just as close as many of the others that were submitted. Of course this is my opinion only - ultimately the voters will decide how far to stretch their personal interpretations.
There are a lot of beautiful pictures in this challenge, regardless of ones own view of the integrity to the actual challenge

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/25/2004 08:51:05 AM · #17

Originally posted by dartompkins:

Two out of three seem to be about the lack of hope rather than hope.

Worth noting that the winner of the Fear challenge was "Fearless." Isn't hopelessness also a level of hope?

Tranquil

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Canon

08/25/2004 08:52:55 AM · #18

Originally posted by scalvert:

Worth noting that the winner of the Fear challenge was "Fearless." Isn't hopelessness also a level of hope?

The winner of the All Alone challenge was "You are never alone"

DougPaz

Nikon D40

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4.0-5.6G ED

08/25/2004 08:58:05 AM · #19

I thought that this was going to be a really hard challenge to come up with something that would meet the parameters of this contest. I had an idea on day 7 and it is doing pretty well. I am really dissapointed in most of the submissions. It seems to me that most folks just entered a shot in "HOPES" that it would win something.

There are lots of places online to just submit pretty photos, the unique element to DPC is the fact that you have a challenge to meet every week and THAT is what makes you a better photographer. Coming up with an idea that conveys the spirit of the assignment is what shows your creativity and eye for a good shot. I cannot in good conscience give a high score to even the most beautiful flower or fencepost photograph that has nothing at all to do with the topic of the challenge.

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

08/25/2004 08:59:19 AM · #20

Yes a lot of odd images not seemingly related to the feeling of hope.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/25/2004 09:08:14 AM · #21

Originally posted by wahsabi:

I figure vote on the photo and if it didn't meet the guidlines it will be disqualified.

actually, there is NO disqualification for meeting the challenge. it is up to you with your vote to judge whether or not it meets the challenge.

strangeghost

Canon EOS-7D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/25/2004 09:31:34 AM · #22

Trends:

A HUGE number of shots dealing with Christian and other religious themes.
Tons of babies and children (hope for the future).
Lots of weather shots (sunrise, clouds, rainbows).
A goodly number of fisherpersons too...

(85% done with my first pass - then back for comments and tweaking)

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/25/2004 09:34:14 AM · #23

Originally posted by jonpink:

Yes a lot of odd images not seemingly related to the feeling of hope.

Don't forget that some things can be representative or symbolic of hope without showing emotion (newborns, rainbows, the United Nations, food aid for refugees, an election sign, etc.). We were only asked to shoot something that represents hope, not necessarily convey the feeling. This challenge seems more open to interpretation than most.

luv2photo

Canon EOS-40D

Tamron AF 28-300mm F/3.5-6.3 XR Di VC LD Aspherical(IF)Macro

08/25/2004 09:40:12 AM · #24

Originally posted by tyt2000:

What is hope without despair?

Its a tough topic to represent in a photo, so its open to different interpertations..

Having personally experienced my moments of emotional despair, I can vow that at times of despair, there is rarely a glimpse of hope. You just fail to see it. When you begin to feel hope again, you start to feel positive and I defenitely think hope should be pictured in a positive way. Hope should be inspiring and uplifting.

I did read that the Fear Challenge winner was Fearless and there was mention of another challenge where the winner was oposite of the Challenge itself. Is that just the title, or did you actually get a sense of fear from that shot? I didn't see the shot, so I can't answer. An image should stimulate the mind and emotions. Images of despair, grief and faith do not present to me hope. It is only my opinion as someone who has experienced hopelessness, realized hope and now KNOWS HOPE. If the image did not capture hope for me, but I could see the potential for hope (FEEL the potential for hope), it scored fair with me. Technical merit alone does not make the photo, even a well done photo may fail to stir hope in me.

Since I have always wondered how some harsh critics are doing with their own images, I would like to see their scores with their posts. I don't want to sound so harsh, but feel like I was with my voting this time. My image is keeping above 5...personal best, if you can call it that after three weeks.

gaurawa