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09/24/2004 08:33:55 PM · #176 |
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09/24/2004 09:03:46 PM · #177 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Not only a flip flopper, but a liar too, nice. |
Kerry was for the War ! He voted for it !
Typical political BS, on both sides. |
Ok, and Bush straight lied in that video.
Also, bdobe posted details into what Kerry said. Should clear things up a bit. |
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09/24/2004 10:36:03 PM · #178 |
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09/24/2004 10:39:24 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
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Hey John. How did you do this? |
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09/25/2004 03:36:20 AM · #180 |
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09/25/2004 09:41:29 AM · #181 |
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09/25/2004 09:57:37 AM · #182 |
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09/25/2004 11:43:07 AM · #183 |
| This is a political rant thread. Stop polluting it with your viscious partisan photographs. ;) |
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09/28/2004 08:41:18 PM · #184 |
Another round of flip flops. Some may be already posted but I figured an update never hurts. I̢۪m not sure why the Kerry campaign pays no mind to the Bush campaign hypocrisy of tagging Kerry a flip flopper when Bush himself appears the winner of the flip flop award.
1. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES..."What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]
2. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004..."We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04." [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]
3. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'..."Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott Mcclellan, 3/9/04]
...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]
4. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientistsâ€Â¹including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidentsâ€Â¹issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]
5. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE"U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]
6. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]
7. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratoriesÃ…Â for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]
8. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]
9. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA ³I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on himŠI truly am not that concerned about him.² [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
10. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work toÃ…Â establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]
11. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]
12. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]
13. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) Have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]
14. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]
15. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
16. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]
17. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]
...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]
18. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]
...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the mccain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02] |
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09/28/2004 08:56:35 PM · #185 |
Mega flip flop on this one.
Originally posted by MM:
1983-88: WE LOVE SADDAM. On December 19, 1983, Donald Rumsfeld was sent by your dad and Mr. Reagan to go and have a friendly meeting with Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq. Rummy looked so happy in the picture. Just twelve days after this visit, Saddam gassed thousands of Iranian troops. Your dad and Rummy seemed pretty happy with the results because The Donald R. went back to have another chummy hang-out with Saddams right-hand man, Tariq Aziz, just four months later. All of this resulted in the U.S. providing credits and loans to Iraq that enabled Saddam to buy billions of dollars worth of weapons and chemical agents. The Washington Post reported that your dad and Reagan let it be known to their Arab allies that the Reagan/Bush administration wanted Iraq to win its war with Iran and anyone who helped Saddam accomplish this was a friend of ours.
1990: WE HATE SADDAM. In 1990, when Saddam invaded Kuwait, your dad and his defense secretary, Dick Cheney, decided they didn't like Saddam anymore so they attacked Iraq and returned Kuwait to its rightful dictators.
1991: WE WANT SADDAM TO LIVE. After the war, your dad and Cheney and Colin Powell told the Shiites to rise up against Saddam and we would support them. So they rose up. But then we changed our minds. When the Shiites rose up against Saddam, the Bush inner circle changed its mind and decided NOT to help the Shiites. Thus, they were massacred by Saddam.
1998: WE WANT SADDAM TO DIE. In 1998, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and others, as part of the Project for the New American Century, wrote an open letter to President Clinton insisting he invade and topple Saddam Hussein.
2000: WE DON'T BELIEVE IN WAR AND NATION BUILDING. Just three years later, during your debate with Al Gore in the 2000 election, when asked by the moderator Jim Lehrer where you stood when it came to using force for regime change, you turned out to be a downright pacifist:
I--I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my approach. I don't think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president [Al Gore] and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in nation building. I--I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place. And so I take my--I take my--my responsibility seriously. --October 3, 2000
2001 (early): WE DON'T BELIEVE SADDAM IS A THREAT. When you took office in 2001, you sent your Secretary of State, Colin Powell, and your National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, in front of the cameras to assure the American people they need not worry about Saddam Hussein. Here is what they said:
Powell: We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they have directed that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was 10 years ago when we began it. And frankly, they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. --February 24, 2001
Rice: But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt. --July 29, 2001
2001 (late): WE BELIEVE SADDAM IS GOING TO KILL US! Just a few months later, in the hours and days after the 9/11 tragedy, you had no interest in going after Osama bin Laden. You wanted only to bomb Iraq and kill Saddam and you then told all of America we were under imminent threat because weapons of mass destruction were coming our way. You led the American people to believe that Saddam had something to do with Osama and 9/11. Without the UN's sanction, you broke international law and invaded Iraq.
2003: WE DONT BELIEVE SADDAM IS GOING TO KILL US. After no WMDs were found, you changed your mind about why you said we needed to invade, coming up with a brand new after-the-fact reason -- we started this war so we could have regime change, liberate Iraq and give the Iraqis democracy!
2003: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! Yes, everyone saw you say it -- in costume, no less!
2004: OOPS. MISSION NOT ACCOMPLISHED! Now you call the Iraq invasion a "catastrophic success." That's what you called it this month. Over a thousand U.S. soldiers have died, Iraq is in a state of total chaos where no one is safe, and you have no clue how to get us out of there. |
Courtesy of every republicans favorite 'fatboy spewer of lies', Michael Moore.
Message edited by author 2004-09-28 21:01:03. |
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09/28/2004 09:06:54 PM · #186 |
Good grief.. if your going to site each individual item you would think that you would have also sited the website you copied and pasted your post from... google shows there to be several of them that have that posted... at a casual glance someone might actually think you put all that together yourself
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09/29/2004 12:23:37 AM · #187 |
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09/29/2004 09:53:55 PM · #188 |
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09/29/2004 10:00:53 PM · #189 |
I think Kerry has flip flopped latly.
He appears he changed from a human being into some sort of strange orange vegetable. :) |
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09/29/2004 10:02:38 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
I think Kerry has flip flopped latly.
He appears he changed from a human being into some sort of strange orange vegetable. :) |
I saw that. Bush too, (see above). |
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09/29/2004 10:06:13 PM · #191 |
| Yep, there getting ready for their dual press conference tomorrow. |
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09/29/2004 10:10:29 PM · #192 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
Courtesy of every republicans favorite 'fatboy spewer of lies', Michael Moore. |
At least you identified your source accurately... :) |
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10/22/2004 09:53:20 AM · #193 |
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10/22/2004 05:51:16 PM · #194 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
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Thats quite apropriate. |
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10/22/2004 06:54:29 PM · #195 |
you forgot to mention that Kerry joined the swift boats before they were a unit that was getting deployed to Nam. He joined the unit hoping to avoid combat not get into it... that's why once he stubbed his toe 3 times he got out as fast as he could... and once he got out, gave comfort and support to the enemy putting our soldiers in greater danger... hell the enemy has his picture plastered on their museum wall as a hero for their side!!!!!!!!!!
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10/22/2004 09:19:15 PM · #196 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
you forgot to mention that Kerry joined the swift boats before they were a unit that was getting deployed to Nam. He joined the unit hoping to avoid combat not get into it... that's why once he stubbed his toe 3 times he got out as fast as he could... and once he got out, gave comfort and support to the enemy putting our soldiers in greater danger... hell the enemy has his picture plastered on their museum wall as a hero for their side!!!!!!!!!! |
Well, I'm not sure if what you say is true about Kerry but still, he did 1000% more than all the republicans put together.
Here's a list of who served and who didn't:
>Democrats:
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> >* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
> >* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
> >* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
> >* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
> journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
> >* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
> >* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
> >* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
>Combat V,Purple Hearts.
> >* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
> >* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star, Vietnam.
> >* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
> >* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
> >* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
> >* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven
> >campaign ribbons.
> >* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
> >Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
> >* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star
> >and Legion of Merit.
> >* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
> >* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
>Bronze Star with Combat V.
> >* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
> >* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
> >* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
> >* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
> >* George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII.
> >* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
> received #311.
> >* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
> >* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
> >* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
> >* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
>Raoul Wallenberg.
> >
> >
> >Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
> >
> >* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
> >* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
> >* Tom Delay: did not serve.
> >* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
> >* Bill Frist: did not serve.
> >* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
> >* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
> >* Trent Lott: did not serve.
> >* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
> >* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
> >* Karl Rove: did not serve.
> >* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked
> >Max Cleland's patriotism.
> >* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
> >* Vin Weber: did not serve.
> >* Richard Perle: did not serve.
> >* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
> >* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
> >* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
> >* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
> >* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
> >* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
> >* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
> >* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
> >* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard got
> >assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running
> >for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam,
> >disappeared from duty.
> >* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role
> making movies.
> >* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
> >* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
> >* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
>Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
> >* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
> >* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
> >* JC Watts: did not serve.
> >* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued
> >in NFLfor 8 years.
> >* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
> >* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
> >* George Pataki: did not serve.
> >* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
> >* John Engler: did not serve.
> >* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
> >* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
>
>Pundits &Preachers
> >* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
> >* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
> >* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
> >* Michael Savage: did not serve.
> >* George Will: did not serve.
> >* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
> >* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
> >* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
> >* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
> >* John Wayne: did not serve.
> >* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
> >* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
> >* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
> >* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
> >* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
> >* Michael Medved: did not serve.
> >* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
> >* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot
> back.)
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10/22/2004 09:20:39 PM · #197 |
Didn't I see this list somewhere else?
And... Wow, McCain and GW are the only republicans to ever serve in the military??? I thought there would be a few more at least.
Message edited by author 2004-10-22 21:24:13.
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10/27/2004 07:27:44 PM · #198 |
Back in His Texas Days as Governor, the "Born Again" Bush Gave a One-Finger Victory Salute. Send This Video Clip Around to the Evangelicals. 10/28 Video
Message edited by author 2004-10-27 19:28:54. |
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