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06/21/2004 11:48:21 AM · #1 |
So, I've got an invite to give away to Google's Gmail, who wants it??
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06/21/2004 11:49:19 AM · #2 |
see manic's link below...
Message edited by author 2004-06-21 12:17:32.
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06/21/2004 11:52:11 AM · #3 |
Gordon, UFie don't link people deep linking ;oP
Try this link instead...
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06/21/2004 12:00:14 PM · #4 |
Gmail account???
I'd be interested
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06/21/2004 12:15:23 PM · #5 |
I'll have it - these things are worth $100+ to some suckers ;)
//www.theinquirer.net/?article=16677
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06/21/2004 12:19:09 PM · #6 |
the complete invasion of privacy makes me shiver in fear when thinking about gmail. Why does everyone want one? Just for the storage? Think of what you are giving up by letting google "profile" you through the emails you send and receive!
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06/21/2004 12:19:15 PM · #7 |
You'll be lucky to get any moeny for one now, they've really stepped up the giving out of invitations now.
Bongo was first so he gets it, hopefully I should have more soon and I'll come back with some.
Bongo, email your real name and email address to defuzz(at)gmail(dot)com
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06/21/2004 12:46:07 PM · #8 |
Heh, I was only joking :)
The upload script mentioned in that article which allows you to use an account as online backup sounds interesting though. And if you don't want anybody profiling you, don't send *anything* unencrypted, through gmail or anything else.
And don't forget your tinfoil hat ;)
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06/21/2004 01:19:27 PM · #9 |
If you use gmail you agree to be profiled*.
If i send you mail to your gmail account, THAT will be profiled also.
At no point did I agree to have my email read by a third party.
If this was done to your phone conversations or regular mail we'd all be screaming.
No thanks. I have tried s afew of those 'free' email addresses...i get 99% spam. I have no reason to think gmail will be better - i do have reason to think it will be worse.
*Profiled: the email is read by the computer and parsed for phrases and things for advertising purposes that then get attached to the email - or who knows for what other future commercial purposes.
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06/21/2004 01:45:30 PM · #10 |
They *were* worth $100+ until Google flooded the market. Supply and demand theory has brought them down to around $1. I've got a few too, if someone still wants one for $100. :-)
And to those trashing GMail, I'm totally fine with your complaints, if you really want to pretend that you have any privacy in your online world anyway...I think that's a little naive. But before you trash it too much, try it. It's *fast* and *beautiful*. By far the best web-mail system I've seen. And I'm definitely not going to use it full-time, as I run my own home-brew mail server and web-interface. But for backup accounts, and for accounts where you'll need a lot of storage, I don't think it can be beat.
-Will
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06/21/2004 02:25:54 PM · #11 |
While google's computers look for keywords in the emails, it's done by a computer, no human will ever see your email. The same thing happens everytime you make a search with any search engine.
I get zero spam with gmail. my own personal mail server gets about 100 pieces of spam for every legitimate email I get. |
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06/21/2004 02:54:36 PM · #12 |
How much spam you get has an awful lot more to do with how you use your e-mail addy (how you let it be seen on the 'net and who you give it to) than it does with what free e-mail server you use. I've learned the hard way to be carefull with mine and now, about a dozen or so addresses later, get zero spam. My experience says that Yahoo is the best and Hotmail is terrible. Are there any other advantages to Gmail besides the large storage ?
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06/21/2004 04:22:46 PM · #13 |
I get so much spam on my Yahoo account that I quit using it for email. I switched to FastMail.fm (as a mail address I give out when I'm not sure where it will end up) and couldn't be happier. Especially because the amount of advertising Yahoo (and Hotmail) has "evolved" to having is just way too much...
But I agree that the amount of spam has a lot more to do with how/where you use your email address and not which email service you use.
Message edited by author 2004-06-21 16:33:11. |
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06/21/2004 04:30:40 PM · #14 |
I think certain hosts, particularly Hotmail, Yahoo and AOL, will result in an amount of spam, even if you keep your address completely secret. There's just such a huge number of addresses it's easy to iteratively mine valid addresses by trial and error.
I read a statistic somewhere that a Hotmail account was set up that received spam 2 hours after its creation.
I went to the spam conference 2004, and one thing that was particularly noted by the big providers (Yahoo and Microsoft) was just how systematically they are attacked.
My advice: use more obscure providers, and don't pick an obvious email address to strangers. |
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06/21/2004 06:21:24 PM · #15 |
The way gmail organizes mail is highly unique compared to a standard email service. They claim you should never have to delete an email. But that you should be able to find any email fast and easily.
They really thought out how it organizes your email, and it definately shows in the quality. If you like what google did to search engines, (simplicity, speed, accuracy, whathaveyou) you will like what they did to email.
I have my own domain name, I agree with what was said about 'how' you use your email addresses. Only problem for me is I don't want to stop checking my main addresses incase someone sends a legitimate email to one of them. I'm deliberately putting my gmail address on websites etc, almost hoping to get a spam to see if gmail gets hit. So far no go. |
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06/21/2004 06:30:51 PM · #16 |
I have *counts* 7 working e-mail accounts.
3 Yahoo!, 3 Lycos (came with my Tripod sites), and 1 at home with Outlook Express:
Yahoo!:
- 1 is my personal address I've had for 4 years, the only spam I get is a result of signing up for services that I KNOW I want to recieve notices right away.
- 1 is for a website and my "spam" personal account, for when I sign up with services and still want to hear from them, but it can wait.
- 1 is strictly an website account. It's address is posted only on the website and with (at the most) 4 online services. Within 1 month I only recieved 182 pieces of spam (Which in my "spam" accounts can be reached in a day.).
Lycos:
- All are website accounts and 1 is not posted anywhere except perhaps 1 place and it recieves almost NO spam (8 in a month). Although, their Spam filtering is not the best, 1/3 of it goes to my inbox so I have to wade through it to check for my messages (in my other accounts).
Outlook Express/Internet Service Provider:
It's not posted anywhere and only with companies like Ford (my dad's employer), Netscape, and McAfee and we get 0 spam.
Personally, I love free e-mail services. Yahoo! has been wonderful to me over these past 4 years and event though at times I got extremly annoyed with them, it's ben worth it. Their spam filter is great, and if it occasionally catches somethings I want, well I just move it to my inbox, no big deal. Not to mention they just upgraded their space to 100MB for free!
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06/21/2004 06:55:42 PM · #17 |
I found the best solution is disposable, limited lifetime email addresses, ala spamgourmet.com
About 5 minutes to set up an account, and then 0 overhead after that. I can make an email address on the spot, without any setup and I can define how many times it will work, after that, no more email from that address.
Got a service you want to sign up for and never hear from them again, then use a one time use email - find a service that needs to mail you twice to confirm - then use a 2 time use email.
Other addresses from this service can be infinite use for a particular, named sender or you can update the lifetime at a later date if you want to (with a slight overhead penalty of having to go to a website and type in the number you want to change it to)
Want to know who's selling your email addresses ? Give each web site or company a unique email address so that when you get spam, right there in the address line is which company you want to stop doing business with. Want to stop an email address that you are getting spam from ? Go to the web site again and just type in a 0 - that email address will never get to you again.
I get roughly 10 spams per week these days, give out my email address to anyone and any company that wants it and never have any problems or worry about it being misused.
Want to change ISP/ email provider ? No problem, all of the email is forwarded to a known address and you can update it whenever you like - so you don't lose out on contacts you _want_ to keep when you have to abandon an address.
Message edited by author 2004-06-21 18:57:01.
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06/21/2004 08:44:53 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by jadin:
If you like what google did to search engines, (simplicity, speed, accuracy, whathaveyou) you will like what they did to email. |
I used to like what Google did for search engines, but once they got to be dominate their true colors began to show and it became an advertising engine instead of a search engine. Can you trust them not to do likewise with e-mail? Maybe giving a gig of storage is just letting you have access to all your info they warehouse. Yahoo says they will never read your e-mail which seems like a wiser bet to me. |
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06/21/2004 08:46:44 PM · #19 |
Yup I agree...and Yahoo has just increased the mailbox to 100 MB
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06/21/2004 08:52:44 PM · #20 |
| I'd much rather put up with Google's simple, non-intrusive text-based ads than the epilepsy-inducing flash animated crap that has overtaken just about every other advertiser-dependent site out there... |
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06/21/2004 10:15:59 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by jadin:
If you like what google did to search engines, (simplicity, speed, accuracy, whathaveyou) you will like what they did to email. |
I used to like what Google did for search engines, but once they got to be dominate their true colors began to show and it became an advertising engine instead of a search engine. Can you trust them not to do likewise with e-mail? Maybe giving a gig of storage is just letting you have access to all your info they warehouse. Yahoo says they will never read your e-mail which seems like a wiser bet to me. |
Yup - much less in your face advertising here //www.yahoo.com/ :)
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06/21/2004 10:23:24 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Yup - much less in your face advertising here //www.yahoo.com/ :) |
LOL, BUY PEPSI! How do they know I want soda? I haven't even searched for a beverage yet...
Such pestimissic anti-googlers :)
Yahoo increased their size to 100mb to keep people from jumping to google's 1000mb service me thinks. Talk about upgrading out of necessity.
Message edited by author 2004-06-21 22:24:22. |
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06/21/2004 10:41:57 PM · #23 |
How many ads do you count on this page?
Yahoo Mail
There are ads displayed on the Inbox page, etc. but Hosts file gets rid of most of them. |
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06/21/2004 11:02:29 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
How many ads do you count on this page?
Yahoo Mail
There are ads displayed on the Inbox page, etc. but Hosts file gets rid of most of them. |
About 4 or 5 large, graphical or animated ads per typical page, at least if I switch off my proxy that's what I see.
compared to //www.google.com/ Yahoo is a flashy, glitzy advertising ridden mess. Sure both sites sell advertising to make some revenue, but google is a whole lot less intrusive with the text based side bars. Though mostly it just gives decent results, something yahoo stopped doing a long time ago. I can remember a time when yahoo had a simple, clean interface too and returned good results, but they changed a while ago.
look familiar in style ?
Message edited by author 2004-06-21 23:06:17.
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06/21/2004 11:43:42 PM · #25 |
In regards to Yahoo! Mail ads:
4 Ads on the Inbox - 1 large on the right and 3 small Text and icons on the bottom left
4 Ads on a Folder - 1 banner on top and 3 small Text and icons on the bottom left
4 Ads on an Empty Folder - 1 large on the right and 3 small Text and icons on the bottom left
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