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09/09/2010 12:53:49 PM · #26 |
| I'd love to know how the story broke in the first place. Did the pastor hold a press conference to announce he's burning a Koran? or did the story leak to the press? Isn't the congregation like 50 people or so? If it was press conference, then the guy is an idiot trying to garner some twisted publicity (and frankly publicity that Christianity doesn't need). If this was for his own congregation as some act of solidarity that only got out inadvertently, then the guy is still an idiot, but I don't quite attribute as much fault to him. |
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09/09/2010 12:57:52 PM · #27 |
The sooner the human race grows out of believing all of these ridiculous myths the better.
There I've said it.
From that stand point - burn the books, don't burn the books, it matters not a jot. But leave people be. |
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09/09/2010 12:59:25 PM · #28 |
| Good point. None of it will matter in about 2.5 million years anyway, when the species has become extinct. (I'm reading a book on human evolution that contains this bald fact, delivered dryly and with no hoopla.) |
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09/09/2010 01:01:41 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Good point. None of it will matter in about 2.5 million years anyway, when the species has become extinct. (I'm reading a book on human evolution that contains this bald fact, delivered dryly and with no hoopla.) |
Did they give a specific date? I'm due for a haircut and need to plan appropriately... |
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09/09/2010 01:09:13 PM · #30 |
| The guy is an extremist. Biggest problem in all of this is giving him publicity. Let him burn books of any sort in his back yard. Just don't make it news. If no one covered this, would he even bother? From a policy to the world viewpoint, the US govt including Petraeus should not ask this guy to cease and desist but should acknowledge that our country tolerates idiots and that not all Americans support the action. Then encourage the press to ignore the guy completely. |
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09/09/2010 01:10:27 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Then encourage the press to ignore the guy completely. |
Good luck on that front... |
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09/09/2010 01:12:50 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Louis:
Good point. None of it will matter in about 2.5 million years anyway, when the species has become extinct. (I'm reading a book on human evolution that contains this bald fact, delivered dryly and with no hoopla.) |
Did they give a specific date? I'm due for a haircut and need to plan appropriately... |
Go to this site, and set a date in the future to find out:
//www.poodwaddle.com/clocks/futurepop/
Something around 500 years!!! :) |
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09/09/2010 01:17:28 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Jac:
As for burning a Koran. I agree with the pastor in that Muslims seem to have an agenda of increasing their populace worldwide to expand Islam but burning a Koran will only make things worse. He actually has already sent a message and should stop there. But he's from a state that thinks the next President will be another bush. (no capital B for a bush). |
Thats true and no Muslim would deny that, on the other had all other religions similarly try to increase their numbers ex. missionaries, the Crusades etc.. and all religions want people to follow their path of "enlightenment" whatever that is :P
Am I offended by the burning? Not really..
Why? Because I think they are just silly people trying to get on my nerves, and in the end of the day they wont effect Me physcally or mentally so I just flip the channel whenever they are on the news :)
Are other Muslims effected by this? Unfortunately yes, Because ever since the Crusades 5 or 6 hundred years ago and to this day many western, and might I dare to add christian majority countries have occupied Arab territories (Italians, French, English to name a few).
Do you think the Muslims and Arabs developed a grudge or hatred? you tell me!! and to burn their holy book?...hmmm
Many of the radicals and extremists view the recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as holy wars, a war between Christians and Muslims, and I'm sure the book burning isnt going to help in mending fences.
Most of all I agree the press are not helping with this matter either.
And I think anyone who performs sacrilege against another religion is a Moron!
Ahmad
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09/09/2010 01:25:36 PM · #34 |
| I don't care if he burns some books. I do care that the coverage of this is in a way arming the media. As far as the Mosque goes i would put it on the top floor of the freedom tower and call it a day. |
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09/09/2010 01:32:18 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
The guy is an extremist. Biggest problem in all of this is giving him publicity. Let him burn books of any sort in his back yard. Just don't make it news. If no one covered this, would he even bother? |
YouTube has a reach that exceeds cable news, so I suspect he would. |
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09/09/2010 01:37:02 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by ahmadbaara:
And I think anyone who performs sacrilege against another religion is a Moron! |
That's a problematic outlook, since it' the religious adherents that decide what "sacrilege" is. Something patently inoffensive and in itself innocent could be a capital offence to the right wild-eyed devotee. |
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09/09/2010 01:50:11 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by idp:
There are two issues here.
Should he have the right to do it ? Arguably yes - although I can also see that freedom of expression will often be subject to certain limits. The fact that something will cause offence should not be enough to limit freedom of expression. Does this do more than cause offence ? I think it does - I think it is intended to engender hatred. It will cause harm to others. For this reason I would have no problem with the burning being banned (if it were in the UK).
Should he do it ? I cannot think of a more crass, objectionable, inflammatory action. It is indefensible. It raises no awaremess of anything. It is the act of a bigot and an extremist and will be responded to in kind and worse by other bigots and extremists all round the world - thus bigots and extremists set the agenda and the rest of us pick up the pieces and mop up the blood. |
I agree with this 100%.
I was just wondering where he's getting the Korans that he plans to burn? Isn't purchasing them contributing monitarily to the Muslim faith?
Personally, I have little tolerance for small minded people that can't just treat others as fellow inhabitants of this planet. Hate stinks. |
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09/09/2010 01:56:07 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by heavyj:
The Mosque that is in the process of being built is something I disagree with. I don't care if you are Muslim. This is also a publicity stunt IMO. While it might be legal and therefor out of my power to protest, I think the Mosque would better serve it's religion outside the grounds of 'Ground Zero'. |
The "mosque" (more like a Muslim version of a YMCA) IS outside the grounds of Ground Zero. It's three blocks away. You probably can't even see Ground Zero from there. The whole story is a fabricated issue that nobody would have mentioned or cared about if it hadn't been dredged up in hysterical terms by conservative media. Once placed in the center ring with suitable hype, however, the community center struck a nerve with a naive populace despite the fact that the terrorists didn't represent mainstream Muslims (who also died in the 9/11 attacks, including a police cadet) any more than this nutcase Florida pastor or Fred Phelps represent mainstream Christians. |
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09/09/2010 01:57:45 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by idp:
I cannot think of a more crass, objectionable, inflammatory action. It is indefensible. It raises no awaremess of anything. |
I disagree. It raises awareness that hatred and extremism are not limited to Islam. |
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09/09/2010 01:57:56 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by heavyj:
The Mosque that is in the process of being built is something I disagree with. I don't care if you are Muslim. This is also a publicity stunt IMO. While it might be legal and therefor out of my power to protest, I think the Mosque would better serve it's religion outside the grounds of 'Ground Zero'. |
The "mosque" (more like a Muslim version of a YMCA) IS outside the grounds of Ground Zero. It's three blocks away. You probably can't even see Ground Zero from there. The whole story is a fabricated issue that nobody would have mentioned or cared about if it hadn't been dredged up in hysterical terms by conservative media. Once placed in the center ring with suitable hype, however, the community center struck a nerve with a naive populace despite the fact that the terrorists didn't represent mainstream Muslims (who also died in the 9/11 attacks, including a police cadet) any more than this nutcase Florida pastor or Fred Phelps represent mainstream Christians. |
For once I agree with Shannon!
Message edited by author 2010-09-09 13:58:27. |
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09/09/2010 02:04:32 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by heavyj:
The Mosque that is in the process of being built is something I disagree with. I don't care if you are Muslim. This is also a publicity stunt IMO. While it might be legal and therefor out of my power to protest, I think the Mosque would better serve it's religion outside the grounds of 'Ground Zero'. |
The "mosque" (more like a Muslim version of a YMCA) IS outside the grounds of Ground Zero. It's three blocks away. You probably can't even see Ground Zero from there. The whole story is a fabricated issue that nobody would have mentioned or cared about if it hadn't been dredged up in hysterical terms by conservative media. Once placed in the center ring with suitable hype, however, the community center struck a nerve with a naive populace despite the fact that the terrorists didn't represent mainstream Muslims (who also died in the 9/11 attacks, including a police cadet) any more than this nutcase Florida pastor or Fred Phelps represent mainstream Christians. |
For once I agree with Shannon! |
Frightenly enough, >grin< I do too. |
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09/09/2010 02:05:11 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by heavyj:
The Mosque that is in the process of being built is something I disagree with. I don't care if you are Muslim. This is also a publicity stunt IMO. While it might be legal and therefor out of my power to protest, I think the Mosque would better serve it's religion outside the grounds of 'Ground Zero'. |
The "mosque" (more like a Muslim version of a YMCA) IS outside the grounds of Ground Zero. It's three blocks away. You probably can't even see Ground Zero from there. The whole story is a fabricated issue that nobody would have mentioned or cared about if it hadn't been dredged up in hysterical terms by conservative media. Once placed in the center ring with suitable hype, however, the community center struck a nerve with a naive populace despite the fact that the terrorists didn't represent mainstream Muslims (who also died in the 9/11 attacks, including a police cadet) any more than this nutcase Florida pastor or Fred Phelps represent mainstream Christians. |
For once I agree with Shannon! |
Frightenly enough, >grin< I do too. |
DPC - bringing people together! :) |
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09/09/2010 02:08:37 PM · #43 |
I am enjoying the fact that so much is being made out of this. Dont offend the Muslims, you cant even mention them in a negative way. With this group come the people that say you should treat everyone's religion with respect. Im tired of treating Muslims with extra special care. Do you know how many times Christianity is made fun or spoken ill of in a day? Its a bunch of hypocrisy really.
Grow a pair. |
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09/09/2010 02:14:50 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by mgarsteck:
I am enjoying the fact that so much is being made out of this. Dont offend the Muslims, you cant even mention them in a negative way. With this group come the people that say you should treat everyone's religion with respect. Im tired of treating Muslims with extra special care. Do you know how many times Christianity is made fun or spoken ill of in a day? Its a bunch of hypocrisy really.
Grow a pair. |
Personally I'd take a little less Christian bashing. :) |
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09/09/2010 02:20:34 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by heavyj:
The Mosque that is in the process of being built is something I disagree with. I don't care if you are Muslim. This is also a publicity stunt IMO. While it might be legal and therefor out of my power to protest, I think the Mosque would better serve it's religion outside the grounds of 'Ground Zero'. |
The "mosque" (more like a Muslim version of a YMCA) IS outside the grounds of Ground Zero. It's three blocks away. You probably can't even see Ground Zero from there. The whole story is a fabricated issue that nobody would have mentioned or cared about if it hadn't been dredged up in hysterical terms by conservative media. Once placed in the center ring with suitable hype, however, the community center struck a nerve with a naive populace despite the fact that the terrorists didn't represent mainstream Muslims (who also died in the 9/11 attacks, including a police cadet) any more than this nutcase Florida pastor or Fred Phelps represent mainstream Christians. |
For once I agree with Shannon! |
Frightenly enough, >grin< I do too. |
Maybe there's hope for you two yet. :)
Message edited by author 2010-09-09 14:20:47.
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09/09/2010 04:19:06 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by roby21112:
I don't care if he burns some books. I do care that the coverage of this is in a way arming the media. As far as the Mosque goes i would put it on the top floor of the freedom tower and call it a day. |
Indeed. I can think of no better place for a huge Mosque than right in the middle of Ground Zero. I honestly think that would be a wonderful thing to do. And a huge 'Fuck You' to the tiny tiny percentage (like, 0000.2%) of Muslims that are fundamentalist terrorists. If i were the American people i would build it HUGE!
But, what the hell do i know. I'm just some sort of animist, polytheist, tantrist, pantheist, kemetic, agnostic, hedonist Pagan.
I wish there were more like me. So we could share ice cream and cider in the woods. |
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09/09/2010 04:21:36 PM · #47 |
| as long as its not kool-aide that you are drinking ;) |
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09/09/2010 04:54:14 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by roby21112:
I don't care if he burns some books. I do care that the coverage of this is in a way arming the media. As far as the Mosque goes i would put it on the top floor of the freedom tower and call it a day. |
Indeed. I can think of no better place for a huge Mosque than right in the middle of Ground Zero. I honestly think that would be a wonderful thing to do. And a huge 'Fuck You' to the tiny tiny percentage (like, 0000.2%) of Muslims that are fundamentalist terrorists. If i were the American people i would build it HUGE!
But, what the hell do i know. I'm just some sort of animist, polytheist, tantrist, pantheist, kemetic, agnostic, hedonist Pagan.
I wish there were more like me. So we could share ice cream and cider in the woods. |
You share most of my beliefs, except the ice cream bit:) |
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09/09/2010 05:05:20 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
But, what the hell do i know. I'm just some sort of animist, polytheist, tantrist, pantheist, kemetic, agnostic, hedonist Pagan. I wish there were more like me. So we could share ice cream and cider in the woods. |
You share most of my beliefs, except the ice cream bit:) |
Don't listen to the lunatic. Make mine chocolate! |
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09/09/2010 05:07:19 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by SteveJ:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
But, what the hell do i know. I'm just some sort of animist, polytheist, tantrist, pantheist, kemetic, agnostic, hedonist Pagan. I wish there were more like me. So we could share ice cream and cider in the woods. |
You share most of my beliefs, except the ice cream bit:) |
Don't listen to the lunatic. Make mine chocolate! |
Okay! I like some types of ice cream, but not in the woods with cider! |
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