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07/07/2004 12:52:52 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
All I know is that Richard Clark told your hero Moore that he alone with FBI were responsible for the Saudi Flight. However, facts do not matter to Moore, he knows the loony left do not do credible research and are simply paranoid. Give Moore the Money, he will take it and tell you a bigger one next time around. Hey, let's take pictures. |
so you "know" one thing and the rest of the movie is debunked? man i wish we could do that with government officials! |
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07/07/2004 01:10:38 PM · #27 |
| I can list item per item where the rest of the movie is debunked, but why not go do your own homework. There are many weakness in the current administration, but even the leftish critics have dismissed Moore. They call the movie a caricature, a bending of the facts. Imagine, Hasbala offered their money to Moore. Does not that tell you that Moore is simply making money hating America. |
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07/07/2004 01:14:03 PM · #28 |
| My BIGGEST fear is that people like my husband will see this movie & just believe everything about it, I have not seen the movie. However, my husband is the type of person who listens to morning radio shows & then comes home spouting off like he received a politcal degree in college, when truth be told he didn't even graduate high school & has NEVER kept up with politics. The only time he ever voted, he voted for Ross Perot. I just urge everyone to always take everyting they see & hear with a grain of salt. If you are concerned about what you see or hear, look into it a bit further before making snap judgements on other people's opinions. |
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07/07/2004 06:17:53 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by louddog:
Anyone read his playboy interview? |
Do Anyone actuallly READ playboy? Just browse it for photograpic art's sake! Did you ever notice the gorgeous lighting of those pics? How many softboxes do you think they use? ROFL
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07/07/2004 07:01:12 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by carlos:
Originally posted by louddog:
Anyone read his playboy interview? |
Do Anyone actuallly READ playboy? Just browse it for photograpic art's sake! Did you ever notice the gorgeous lighting of those pics? How many softboxes do you think they use? ROFL |
haha more like, whats the % of accual real picture left over when they are done air brushing and photopimping those shots.. ;)
really does have good articles tho, if someone has a digital copy of Moore's interview id like to read it. |
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07/07/2004 09:29:01 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by dsa157:
I saw it. I am a strong conservative in my political views. (Jewish Republican, how's that for a rarity...) I really tried to watch it with an open mind considering every newspaper and TV review was calling it a must-see movie regardless of one's political leaning.
Guess I fell for that one! This is not a documentary, it's Moore's ax to grind.
If you are going to base some discussions on the Time piece below, then at least read Christopher Hitchens' editorial on the movie that was mentioned in the article for another point of view.
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Dave,
Thanks so much for this link to Christopher Hitchen's review. As a long time "Hard Ball" fan w/ Chris Matthews, I am always pleased when Mr. Hitchens is a guest. He has shown me a sound understanding of current events with a European flavor. His arguments are well reasoned and generally supported rather substantially. I greatly enjoyed this review as it was consistent with his "take no prisoners" style. Thank you again for sharing.
Flash
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07/07/2004 10:03:13 PM · #32 |
From Playboy, July 1976
Interview with Karl Hess, former speechwriter for Senator (and Presidental candidate) Barry Goldwater
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HESS We frequently used to ask ourselves what the differences really were between us an the Soviets. Even then I was aware, as was Goldwater, that the differences were marginal, so we wanted to spell them out. But the more we discussed it, the harder it became. I mean, they have a secret police, we have a secret police. They can vote for only one candidate, here we have two--which makes us twice as good but not absolutely better, especially since our candidates are selected in such a peculiar fashion. We kept pressing each other for differences and when we got right down to it, for Goldwater, the difference was religion: "We are the children of light and they are the children of darkness."
PLAYBOY: That was the principal difference Goldwater found between us and the Russians?
HESS: Yes, and since I'm an atheist, I didn't consider his position wholly satisfying. But I think it turns out the entire Cold War didn't make sense without religion. Nelson Rockefeller doesn't make sense without religion--not that Nelson Rockefeller makes much sense with religion. But what other differences are there? As James Burnham pointed out in 1941, in The Managerial Revolution, the similarity between the Soviet state and the American Corporation is striking. So the find a difference worth dying for in opposing the Soviet Union while supporting General Motors requires a theological position.
PLAYBOY: It's surprising that Goldwater agreed with you on the similarities between the U.S. and Russia.
HESS: Not only did Goldwater agree with me but he had a theory of convergence that even I found somewhat radical. Goldwater believed--and probably still believes--that the Soviet Union, through the pressure of its people, would move steadily toward a free society, while the U.S., throught the pressure of the liberals and the momentum of the Federal bureaucracy, would become more and more oligarchic. But, unlike many convergence theorists, Goldwater did not believe we would meet and stabilize. He felt we would cross, that they would keep moving toward freedom and we would keep moving toward dictatorship. |
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